Sid Roth - How to Discern the Unseen Realm Around You
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. Do you know what sonar is? Sonar, we didn't have all the time and big ships would actually plow into icebergs. Why would they plow into an iceberg? Because 90 percent of the iceberg was under the water and they couldn't see it. Sonar, you could see it, but they didn't have sonar and they'd be destroyed. That's the same way it is with the invisible world because in this invisible world all around us it's alive and there is a way to have something better than sonar. You not only can change because it's an invisible world, it affects your thoughts, it affects your marriage, it affects your health and it's just radiating signals to you. But there is a way to not only be aware of it, but destroy those evil signals. Do you want to learn? Dawna, explain to me why you say the invisible world is filled with all sorts of activity.
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely. What I find is that we think we are walking around and doing what we think we want to do on our own. But actually we're getting input from a lot of places. We're getting input from ourselves, we're getting input from the Lord and we're getting input from the demonic realm, and so there's a spiritual realm talking to us. And as I was coming here I was asking the Lord what's going on, and the whole think I kept hearing was all of God's promises are yes and amen. And I felt like if God is speaking that then the enemy is probably telling people he's forgotten about you. He's probably telling people oh there's no hope. You know that promise he told you years ago, it's not going to come to pass. And I just wanted to speak, I just want to turn off that station right now, and we're just going to say no to that station and yes to God's promise.
Sid Roth: You know, it came out of your mouth so smoothly. But you know, it's so true. You're listening to another station, you think it's you, but it isn't. You think that that wife or that husband is just awful, but that isn't them. You're getting the wrong transmission. Start doing something about it. Turn the channel. It affects our moods, our tone. Explain.
Dawna De Silva: Right. So whatever it thinks there's demons just hanging around you all the time, but actually it's a relationship between what you believe what they're telling you and you acting it out. So if you actually take that station and you say yes to it and you begin acting out, let's say rage is saying, you need to just hit that person over there and then you take a swing at them. The enemy can walk away because you've now released an atmosphere that he doesn't have to stir up anymore.
Sid Roth: And you know, the picture I have as you're saying that is all this road rage that's going on where people are killing people. I mean, and these are people that would never think of this type of rage.
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely.
Sid Roth: But they're being egged on with that transmitter.
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely. Egged on.
Sid Roth: Okay. What would you say is the first step to having dominion over these voices?
Dawna De Silva: Well you have to actually believe it exists. I mean, you have to, you know, what happened in the church is we had discerners that made messes because it's like everything was a demon and we were complaining about stuff. And so the church swung passed the truth that we're in a spiritual war all the way over to it's all good, oh there's no demonic, no, there's nothing. And we forget what's shooting at us. And so when my husband says something that hurts my hurt, I'm usually, throng, at him. Oh wait a minute, that probably was him speaking out of what the enemy is telling him to say, because he knows what's going to hurt my heart.
Sid Roth: So it's like two against one.
Dawna De Silva: It is. But we have the triune nature of God.
Sid Roth: Three against two. Sounds good to me. Okay. You say we can literally change atmospheres. Is there a way for us to discern what's going on in that invisible world from the atmosphere?
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely, but you have to practice. I find that most people already pick up or sense, or discern that they don't know because they just are acting out of it. So once you start paying attention to how is my normal, what would that look like, then anything that comes out from that is actually helping me to know, oh I'm probably picking up and responding to an atmosphere. But you have to practice. You've got to figure it out.
Sid Roth: You know, I notice a lot of people on diets, I haven't gotten this far, by the way, a lot of people on diets they know when they're full. I don't know when I'm full. But they know when they're full and they stop. But it came from practice.
Dawna De Silva: Practice, yes, it has to. You know, I get asked all the time, Dawna, how did you learn so much about this discernment, and I said hindsight. And they're like, no really, you must have spent all this time. No, hindsight. I learned so much by getting tripped by the enemy that I finally realized, oh you know, trick me once, okay, trick me twice, you don't trick me a third time. And so it's hindsight. It's like practice this. Find out. Talk to people. What are you sensing? I was on a trip one time and I was so grumpy, and I'm thinking, oh it's just hormonal. I like to say to women you can't be hormonal 365 days. Okay, your husbands are going to thank me for that. But I'm grumpy and I can't change, and I'm like, God, what's wrong with me. And I think I have the Holy Spirit, but what's wrong with me. I finally decide I'd better warn my team. So I walk out on my team and I say, "God, I'm so sorry, but I'm just feeling grumpy today. And so if I hurt your heart I'm so sorry. Just know I'm not trying to". And I look at my team and they're all kind of grumpy looking, and I'm like, is anybody else grumpy, and they're like no. I'm like, oh yeah, okay. So I just said okay. So we grabbed hands and we said, you know, we see your irritation. We are not going to partner with you and we send you back, and instantly we were all better.
Sid Roth: How about things like health? How does the invisible world affect that?
Dawna De Silva: Well you know, the enemy is always throwing arrows and darts, and he's just dong all this stuff at us. And if the enemy says to you, you don't feel good, and then you know, someone coughs next to you, and you're like, oh, I don't feel good. I mean, we actually can partner with what he's saying about the atmosphere.
Sid Roth: You know, speaking of that, sometimes I hear, I have a thought and the thought is you're not going to be able to sleep tonight and I do what you said, no more though. I partner with that thought.
Dawna De Silva: No. It's so important because the enemy is trying to get you to take the bait. And so actually you say, well the Word of God actually tells me that he gives his beloved rest. And so you know, the thought, whether it's my thought or the enemy's thought, it still defies the Word of God. So it's like, okay, so I hear you, restlessness, or I hear you, whatever, I'm not going to partner with you because I'm the beloved of God, and he gives his beloved rest.
Sid Roth: Now you have learned how to discern the atmosphere, and to be candid with you, now that my eyes are open, it's really not that difficult. But can anyone learn how to discern the atmosphere?
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely, but again, it's practice, and it's talking to people. I mean, I would talk to my friends and say, hey, I'm feeling this, what are you feeling. And sometimes I would feel it different than they would feel it. And so it's like trying to learn what is your tell or how do you pick up something. For me, if I'm in a place of the spirit of control it puts me to sleep. I mean, I'll be just like I'm so tired. My son and I were driving and here we were all excited. He was going to lead worship and we're going across the state line to this other place, and we both looked at each other and start, oh, we're gonna fall asleep. And we both looked at each other and, I see your control and I'm not going to partner with you, I'm going to send you back, and instantly we were awake.
Sid Roth: You know, that is statement that's so important. I would like you to look in the camera and say that statement again, and I want you to remember this and use it.
Dawna De Silva: Right. It's so easy. It's like, I see you, enemy. I am not going to partner with you and I send you back.
Sid Roth: Here's the truth. Ignorance is not bliss. We'll be right back.
Sid Roth: So I made the statement and you've made it. Ignorance is not bliss. Comment on that.
Dawna De Silva: No, I find that so many times that Christians stick their head in the sand and they wonder what's hitting their rear ends. And it's time for us to start paying attention. I mean, there are agendas, there are atmospheres talking to us all the time. And you know, Christians need to start actually funding things that actually have an agenda that we believe in, instead of what we do not believe in. Passivity is not going to help us, so just saying, oh I'll still shop there when they believe in certain agendas you don't believe in is not going to help.
Sid Roth: Okay. You talk about thin and thick places. Explain.
Dawna De Silva: Well you know, a thin place for me is when you just walk in and there's the Holy Spirit. You can just feel the presence of God. It can happen in different locations in the same building. You might feel a thin place where you're like, oh there must be an angel standing here or the Holy Spirit is right here. And you know, our pastor tells us, run to the Anointing. Run to where you feel that. We've had Glory clouds show up and it's like, what is that, but you can feel the presence. And a thick place is like almost like when I walk into a thick place it's like where did the Holy Spirit go? I mean, I know he's here, but it's so thick between me that it's hard to understand that he's even talking.
Sid Roth: You talk about we can tune in or switch off these channels. So you walk into a thick place where it's just really tough to hear God. What do you do?
Dawna De Silva: Well I first begin to speak in tongues and I might do it under my breath or people think I'm crazy if I do it out loud sometimes. But I find that speaking in tongues actually disengages my mind and engages my spirit. And so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to fight the right fight because I'm trying to fight in the spirit realm and not in my brain realm. And so we begin to release the Holy Spirit like, and you can feel it start to happen. And then you begin to release the opposite of what you think you're feeling. So if I'm feeling afraid I'm just going to begin to, and as I get my spirit to give me courage, because I'm disconnecting fear, I'm actually going to begin to release peace. I'm going to release an attitude of rest instead of an attitude of fear.
Sid Roth: You actually talk about a weapon that works every time, it's called reject and replace. Dawna De Silva Yes. Because you want to reject what's coming at you. It's like I see, it's the whole I see you. I'm not going to partner with you and I send you back. I'm rejecting the signal coming. It's like I'm turning that radio station. I have authority over the radio stations that I listen to and I think most of us don't know that. I think the problem is most of us think it's ourselves, but I tell people when I pray for them, hey, you can hear three voices any time. I said there's Father God and he's talking to you, the enemy is talking to you and you're talking to you. So let's figure out whose voice you want to listen to.
Sid Roth: Now you said that you discern the atmosphere and you can teach others to discern the atmosphere.
Dawna De Silva: Absolutely.
Sid Roth: Tell me about the time you discerned an atmosphere of suicide.
Dawna De Silva: Yes. We were on a trip actually and I was kind of given a heads up. They said you're going to come into a region where they're having suicides have been happening and we want you. That's one of the things we want you to do when we put on this conference, we want you to stop this. I'm like, absolutely, let's go do it. And so we came...
Sid Roth: How would you like to be walking in a conference and say, "We have these suicide pacts and everything, I want you to stop it". Would you say that? Absolutely, let's do it. I just didn't want that to pass over.
Dawna De Silva: It's like, come on. And so we actually went there and we did the conference. And my son has a song that actually breaks the Anointing over suicide. And so he was playing it in the background, and we got people together and we began to pray. And we repented before we ever partnered with death or with thoughts like that, and we told it, you don't have authority over it, and we released life into the region. And we just began having the whole, everyone that came was releasing life, and they just began speaking the opposite, and it broke over the region.
Sid Roth: You know, it's so sad, people hear these voices and they don't know they're tuned into someone else, and they think it's themselves.
Dawna De Silva: How tortured that must be, torment in the mind. You know, I tell people, if you are tired of taking God's captive, which we should do, and you just can't stop it, I'm wondering if it's not your thought you're trying to take captive and you might need to just change the channel.
Sid Roth: Not only change the channel, when we come back, I want you to talk about shifting the atmosphere.
Sid Roth: You know, one of the tips you have for us is to start paying attention to how you feel.
Dawna De Silva: Yes. The phrase I like to use is "Check yourself at the door". And it's like, what does that mean? It's like every time I start to go somewhere I check myself before I enter the place. How do I feel right now? I check, do I feel good, do I feel bad. It's kind of like a word of knowledge in your body. It's like if you check your body, my body feels great. I'll say, my knee hurts, oh my knee hurts. Oh wait a minute, someone must have a bad knee. Let's take care of that. It's the same in the spirit realm. I check myself at the door. Am I happy? Am I carrying the fruit of the Spirit? Okay, do I look like Jesus right now? Awesome. Because when I walk through that door anything that tempts me to act differently is probably a broadcast that I get to turn off.
Sid Roth: Tell me, speaking of broadcasts, there is a horrible epidemic that seems to be happening all over. Little children are coming home and they're saying, "Mommy, Daddy, am I a boy or am I a girl"? And they're getting it from school. Tell me about your friend that had that encounter.
Dawna De Silva: Yes. One of the stores, a lot of stores now have decided that you get to choose which bathroom you go to, whether you think you're male or female. It's not even how you're dressed. And so they went into one of these stores and she was shopping. And she had her five-year-old son in the cart, and she's shopping around, and nobody is around her. And all of a sudden her little son stands up and says... Boy: "I'm not a girl, I'm a boy".
Dawna De Silva: And she looks and she goes, "Well of course you are, honey. You're a man of God". And she looks around, and there's nobody around her. And she realizes, my son is picking up a broadcast of confusion that has been allowed because the store has decided you get to choose who you are.
Sid Roth: Well can every believer be a walking transmitter?
Dawna De Silva: You know, we are already a walking transmitter. I just want us to be a Godly walking transmitter, so yes.
Sid Roth: When you catch yourself transmitting something you wish you hadn't been, what do you do about it?
Dawna De Silva: Well yes, hopefully we do it less and less, but I still find myself, I repent. The first thing I do is, I'm sorry, Lord. I'm sorry that I partnered with the enemy. You know, God told Cain that "Sin is crouching at your door, but you must master it". And so I'm like I might have to say, God I let that master me, I'm so sorry that I bit into that thought, and I spoke wrong or I was mean. And I just say, I repent and I send it back.
Sid Roth: Now you told me about you and your son discerned a sexual atmosphere. Explain.
Dawna De Silva: Yes. We were in a foreign country and we were walking around the town. It felt great. I mean, it was a little impoverished, but it felt great. And we went to bed, and he's in one room and I'm in the other. And all night long I dreamt, I had nightmares of waking up right before being raped, like over and over, and over, and I was like, get up. So I was kind of tired. So I go to my son's room and I knock on the door and he comes out, and I'm like, oh. And I said, "You got jet lag". And he's like, "No mom, it's not that". He said, "All night long I dreamt about rescuing women from being raped. Clue. There's the clue. So we took it to the church and we asked the church, what do you want to do about this. And they said, we already are walking the streets as street pastors and you know, we have signs that tell who we are. And I said, "How about you being shifting atmospheres. How about you begin releasing, instead of violence, you start releasing that men would actually protect the women instead of violating. You know, instead of lust there would be love because lust takes and loves gives.
Sid Roth: Give us a tip on having the right transmissions in our homes, having peace on our homes.
Dawna De Silva: Having peace in our homes. You know what the best thing is, is you have a family meeting and you say, hey family, what do we want this transmission to be from our home, because I want a buy-in from everyone. I don't want to be the mom, the spiritual mom who tells you, oh don't say that, don't say that. I want them to be able to say to me, mom, don't say that. We had a time with Timmy and I was really frustrated, and I actually had an outburst of anger, and my little son Timmy says, "Mommy, where's Jesus"?
Sid Roth: Out of the mouth of a babe. Okay. Time to pray. It's time that we come to our senses and we pray for a supernatural increase of sensitivity and discernment.
Dawna De Silva: Okay. So what I want to do, I want to start with this. I just want to have everyone say, "Come Holy Spirit".
Sid Roth: Come Holy Spirit.
Dawna De Silva: Because it's the Holy Spirit in you that gives you the power and the authority over what is coming at you. And so from that place of standing in the Holy Spirit, we just release you. I just say to you that because you are seated with Christ in the Heavenlies above the powers and principalities, and authorities, that you will now through the understanding of what you're hearing, maybe for the first time, you will actually take authority over that. That the Holy Spirit will rise up in you and you'll say, hey, not on my watch. I declare over you greater discernment without fear of it's all going to be negative and you're going to pick it up, and it's going to scare you. God did not give you a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.
Sid Roth: Not on my watch! Say it!
Dawna De Silva: My watch. Amen.