Sid Roth - Mysteries About Heaven Revealed
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest Perry Stone, since age 16, has been studying Heaven, End Times. He has spent well over 100,000 hours and he has come up with revelations that as far as scholars are concerned, no one has ever come up with before about Heaven and End Times. He even has come up with a revelation about the 2016 presidential election. Anyone interested? You know, when I found out that Perry Stone was working on the subject of Heaven and New Jerusalem, I got so excited. I can't even tell you why I got so excited, but I got so excited I had to have him on this show. But I'm told an event occurred when you were 16 years of age that started you on this quest.
Perry Stone: Salem High School, it was a high school in southern Virginia, a boy came up to me at 16 years of age, I was 16, and I was preaching at that time just as a kid preacher. And I had a big Bible with me, and he said, "Preacher man, what are you going to do when you die and find out there's not a Heaven"? I was always real quick to answer and I said, "Jimmy, what you gonna do when you die and find out there's a hell"? And then, but what happened is it stirred and I thought, how would I prove to somebody, kind of more from a scientific perspective that there is a place called Heaven. And so that's what really started my journey and it was just, it's been exciting to, even over the years, even recently to add more to what God showed me.
Sid Roth: You got revelations. We're going to share some of them. But here's what I want you to help me with and I think you're going to help a lot of other people. Take me, very briefly, on a prophetic timeline starting where we are right now.
Perry Stone: Okay. Right now we're in the church age, which is called the dispensation of the grace of God. It will continue and climax at the time of the Rapture. Now I lean toward pre-trib because of a lot of research over the years that we have done. Now let's just assume this is correct. Then what we have at that point is a tribulation period, which in Daniel 9:27 is set for seven years. It's divided into 42 months and 42 months. And what would happen is the return of the Lord, and I like to say for the overcoming saints who are looking for him. When that happens, it triggers a time of tribulation on the earth, which is a total of seven years. During the seven years the saints will begin having, getting rewards and also we will enjoy what's called a Marriage Supper of the Lamb during the seven years in Heaven. On Earth, there is judgment, there's the revelation of the Antichrist, there's the Mark of the Beast. There's a lot of population of the earth that is eliminated by, some of it's just natural calamities, asteroids, earthquakes, etc. We come to the end of the tribulation. We have the Lord returning, Revelation 19 says, "On a white horse is King of King and Lord of Lords". And then he sets up his kingdom in Jerusalem for a thousand years. That's where we get the word "millennial reign". That's a thousand. And during that thousand years the saints of God are going to rule on Earth with him for a thousand years. At the end of it, Satan is loosed for a season. Now the only reason he loosed, Sid, because this has perplexed people, why don't God keep him bound? Because in the millennial reign there will be people on Earth who will continue to repopulate the earth that have never tempted, tested or tried by Satan. So God is going to let earthly people who are living in the tribulation, who have survived being repopulated to be tested to see if they're going to be faithful to the Lord or follow Satan. That's the last test. Then when that is over, the Bible tells us there's a Great White Throne of Judgment in Heaven and then Satan is bound forever in the lake of fire, which is going to be a tremendous day for everyone who is a believer, of course. The new Heaven and new Earth come down after the Great White Throne of Judgment. This judgment, every single angel that's fallen, Satan himself, plus all saints, all unbelievers, all are in Heaven at one time. Now we've already been judged as believers as the judgment seat of Christ. Okay. That's in Revelation, Chapter 11. But the world and the sinners have not been judged. God is never going to condemn anyone to an eternity without him, in let's say the lake of fire, without them absolutely seeing and knowing the reason why. That's why there's a Great White Throne of Judgment.
Sid Roth: You know, Perry, you teach on the mysteries, on locking the mysteries of Heaven, past, present and future. Explain.
Perry Stone: The Holy Spirit put something together for me that I had never heard taught in my life. I believe it can be proven, from Ezekiel 28, from the Book of Revelation, from Isaiah 14, that Lucifer, who we know is Satan, before he fell, was assisting God in the building of the New Jerusalem. The fall of Lucifer took place before the New Jerusalem was completed, and I'll get into that later. Now that's called the ages past. Creation as we know it with man is 6000. What a lot of people don't realize is there's what's called ages past, and ages past was, okay, when was Lucifer created, when were the angels created. He was in Heaven as a cherub before he fell. When was that? When did the rebellion take place where he took a third of the angels and they fell with him? That's the ages past part. In fact, I'm going to throw a nugget out here to all your folks. In the Bible it says Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, but when was Hell prepared? Scientists say that the earth was one time molten fire and water cool, and that's how the process began. In Genesis 1:1, the earth is created perfect. You studied Hebrew. You know that, "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth". The tense there is complete perfection, like a perfect, it's done.
Sid Roth: Right.
Perry Stone: Verse 2, "Everything is without form and void". The fall of Lucifer happened between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 in ages past.
Sid Roth: So in ages past there is a gap and we don't even know how long that was.
Perry Stone: Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying. We don't know how long the gap is. And that explains, if I can, the controversy as to why Christians say there's a 6000-year old earth, scientists say it's a four billion-year old earth.
Sid Roth: There's an answer to everything.
Perry Stone: There absolutely is an answer if we understand the fall of Lucifer and the gap in Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, and the timeframe there.
Sid Roth: Let's go to some basics.
Perry Stone: Yes.
Sid Roth: Where is Heaven located?
Perry Stone: If you look at Isaiah, Chapter 14, Satan says, "I will descend into Heaven above the stars of God and above the clouds in the sides of the north". The northern part of Heaven is very unique because there's a star there called the North Star or Polaris, which sits just a little bit off of true north. Anytime you needed direction you had to find the North Star. Anytime a ship needed direction you find the North Star. It's the directional star. What is interesting, Job said, "God stretches the north over the empty place, but he hangs the earth on nothing". Two scientific facts there, this what I learned when I was 16. One is the earth is hanging on nothing, but what's this thing about the north being an empty place? I have a friend of mine, I have several friends who work for NASA and they say it's really true that in the northern part of the heavens there is an empty place and there's a gap. It's just an empty, a darkness, a gap. All right. The Bible indicates that. North is the only place where you look really true up. All right. So Heaven is in the north. Now number two, Isaiah said, it was Satan talking, but Isaiah wrote it, "I'll send above the clouds, above the stars in the sides to the north". That's three heavens. Paul in Second Corinthians...
Sid Roth: I heard about Second Heaven. How many heavens are there?
Perry Stone: The Bible tells you of three. There are three heavens and the Bible indicates specifically what those three are: clouds, stars then the end of the stars, that begins the Third Heaven, and that's where God dwells is in the Third Heaven.
Sid Roth: And where does the devil dwell and his demons?
Perry Stone: Let me say it this way. Adam was given dominion over the fowls of the air. The birds if you ever see them fly in the sky near the clouds, so Adam, man has dominion of the First Heaven. That's why we have airplanes that aren't falling out of the sky. The devil is not knocking airplanes out of the sky. We can fly. We have dominion. We have satellites. Number two, however, is Satan rules in the realm of the Second Heaven. Principalities, rulers of darkness in high places are in Second Heaven. Third Heaven is where God rules. So it's interesting how that between where we are to where God is we have this spiritual warfare going on. Here's the part that just absolutely stuns me. I love this part. Jesus, when he returns, doesn't come back up in the stars, and we have to meet him where the stars are. He comes right back into Satan's territory and snatches us out so fast that the enemy doesn't even know it's happened until it's over with.
Sid Roth: I'm going to tell you something. I want you to talk about never revealed. No scholars have ever heard this. Revelations, you have God about the mountain in Heaven, the stones in Heaven, about Lucifer. We'll be right back.
Sid Roth: Perry, tell me about the earliest stages of creating the heavens and the earth.
Perry Stone: Okay. In the beginning of time, and I'm going to, let me just read this verse because this is our foundational verse. God says to this person, "You have been in Eden, the Garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering. The sardius topaz, diamond barrel onyx, jasper sapphire, emerald, carbuncle and gold, the workmanship of your tabrets and pipes was prepared in the day that thou was created. Thou are the anointed cherub that covereth". And he says this, "I have set thee so upon the Holy Mountain of God and you've walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways until inequity was found in you and then the heart was lifted up because of thy beauty". Now there's a couple things here. Number one, it mentions the Mountain of God. This is not Jerusalem. This is the heavenly mountain where God dwells. Number two, it mentions Eden. Now people assume this is the Garden of Eden. This is not the Garden of Eden. There is a heavenly paradise or a heavenly Eden just like there was an earthly Eden. All right. Number three, now this is the part that puzzled me for years. This is where it starts making sense. "You are the anointed cherub". This is a cherub that's anointed. No other angel is called anointed by this angel right here. The thing that really got me was, "You have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire". So let me tell you how this happened. So I'm with a guy in Texas, a pastor in Texas who works with gemstones, and he says to me, he says this, "You know every gemstone is formed in fire". Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Sid Roth: Mountain of fire, psalms of fire.
Perry Stone: Thank you. Then I go to this Jewish translation of the Bible, and I apologize for not giving you which one it is, because there's many translations, and it says, "You walked up and down in the gemstones of fire". I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now then I'm thinking, okay, this is Satan. This is a picture. Most scholars will agree this is Satan. Pipes, he was a worship leader because pipes were created in the same, but it's got nine stones. Now here's what's odd. These same stones are the same nine that are also part of the 12 stones on the breastplate of the priest in Exodus. These nine stones are also, Sid, and this is where the triggering came, this is where it starts clicking, nine of the 12 stones in the city New Jerusalem.
Sid Roth: So when you have 12 stones on the breastplate.
Perry Stone: That's right.
Sid Roth: When we have, in New Jerusalem there's 12 stones. So come Satan only had nine?
Perry Stone: That's what got me asking this. All right. Then I realized this. Every precious stone is your covering. Now I used to think he had a breastplate with nine stones. That's how I took this, because I'm thinking, okay, this is similar. Wait a minute, but it doesn't say anything. It just says it was your covering. And I'm thinking that word in Hebrew, "cover", what's it mean? Okay, watch this. It means there were gemstones on fingers, gemstones on his arm, gemstones on his, but wait a minute, he's only got nine. Why nine? You ready? Because Satan was the one, this angel was walking up and down in the midst of the stones of fire preparing the stones for the holy city New Jerusalem. Watch this. Every time a floor, first floor, second floor is completed, God allows him to be covered by that gemstone. But do you know what stones are missing from him?
Sid Roth: No.
Perry Stone: You ready? The last three stories of the New Jerusalem. I hear them go "oh" in the audience. They're getting. He fell from Heaven and was cast out between the ninth and tenth story being completed. He completed the ninth, but he never, now why? Because he was lifted up because of his beauty.
Sid Roth: This show is a little different because we previously got our people from Facebook to write in questions that they had. They came up with some great questions. Why don't you give us a question. Audience member: The first question is what will we remember in Heaven?
Perry Stone: Now the Bible says this, it says, "The former things will not be remembered and will come into remembrance," which presents problems. Does that mean that all of our loved ones that are in Heaven we don't remember? The answer is we know our loved ones in Heaven because Paul said, "We'll be known even as we were known". I'll know that's mom, I'll know that's dad, my brother and sister. Now the reason the former things will not be remembered is because if people we knew did not make it, how would Heaven be delightful? If you have children that didn't make. So I don't know how God does this, but if God, this is what he told me, he said, "Son, if I'm able to look at a person and they ask me for forgiveness of sins and I can erase their sins and never bring them up or remember them, I can do the same thing with people's past". So in other words, there will come a point, because it says, "No more tears will come in your eyes". At some point everything about anything negative, anything that happened in your life bad and the people who didn't make it will not be remembered.
Sid Roth: You had another question. Audience member: It's actually a long question, a very good question. You talked about the link between Satan being cast out of Heaven during the construction of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Why would this cause such hatred for Israel and Jerusalem today?
Perry Stone: I'm going to compare it to a pair, like a story.
Sid Roth: It has to be a short answer.
Perry Stone: Okay. If I worked for a major corporation and I was the CEO over the whole thing and they booted me out because of something I did wrong, if I didn't take the right attitude I could cause a rebellion in the company and I would hate that company the rest of my life. His hatred for Jerusalem is a continual reminder of his failure.
Sid Roth: When we come back I want to find out what happens in this New Jerusalem, what our job is going to be. What happens when we're in Heaven? What is our job? Are we going to work? Are we going to go to school? What are we going to do? Don't go away. Be right back.
Sid Roth: What is the millennium and is there a job assignment or we just have regular jobs like we always do.
Perry Stone: Let's explain this. When we come back from Heaven, in Revelation 19, with Christ, we will come back and rule with him for 1000 years. Now people have this real misconception of what the millennium is. They think we just kind of float around, we kind of chill out, we go the mountain, the city, we lay around and drink a soda and hey man, everything is cool. What happens is Jesus said it this way, "Because you've been faithful over little things I'll make you ruler over many". Basically kings, priests and rulers is our position. That's pretty remarkable to think about.
Sid Roth: Now every presidential election, recently, God has spoken and advanced you who would be president.
Perry Stone: Since the '90s, I do studies from the Hebraic perspective on numbers, and you know this, and I have so much fun with this. I did something very different I've never done before. I went to President 43, 44 and 45 and I said this in President 44, I said, 44 is division. Now I'm telling this. I don't know who he is or she is, whoever. I said but the 44 is double division. And I said you're going to see the country split right down middle. Now I'm saying all this, you know, I'm saying to myself, God, trust me, after me telling people it was God's will for Bush to be president, when he won I got a relief because they would have stoned me for being a false prophet. I got on TV and told it. Okay now, let me go back to this real quick while it's on my mine. So I started looking at number 45. You all ready for this? This is crazy. If you take the 40 and the 5 in the Hebrew alphabet it's Ma, not mom, but Ma. Do you know what the word Ma means? What.
Sid Roth: What.
Perry Stone: It means "what". Here's what's going to happen. Everybody mark this down. Whoever gets in people are going to say, "What?"! That's what they're going to say. Remember. What?! How did this happen? What? What is going on? What?! Watch it. And so I will say this. I will say this and I'm not going to name them because I get a boldness when I sense the anointing, but I also have learned to restrain. Four years ago I saw a man and God spoke to me and said, "I am going to raise this man up to be a leader". Now I will not name because this stuff goes everywhere and then people copy it and they paste, and people, if they don't like the person they're calling my office and cussing my office staff out. I'm serious. People are crazy. It is possible he will be a vice presidential candidate, and if he is there is no doubt in my mind that person will win if that person is selected. Very strong Christian. That's all I'm going to say. There's other things I could say. But I believe this is the person who's supposed to come on the ticket. Now I'm not going to name who it is. Now I may tell you privately so if this happens.
Sid Roth: You already have.
Perry Stone: Yes, okay. Did I really? Oh boy. See, I learned to keep my mouth shut.
Sid Roth: Perry, Jesus went away to enable us to have access into the Kingdom and there's something called the Lamb's Book of Life. What is that?
Perry Stone: Lamb's Book of Life is what I call the registry to give you access to eternity in the New Jerusalem. To get in that book of life you have to be born again, you have to have a redemptive covenant with Jesus Christ.
Sid Roth: If you sincerely say the prayer I'm going to lead you in right now and you mean it to the best of your ability, you will not have to look back and you will not have to wonder. I want to see that your name is inscribed in the Lamb's Book of Life for sure.
Perry Stone: Yes, yes, yes.
Sid Roth: So repeat this after me, even if you've been a believer 30 years, 50 years. Let's reestablish who you are. Repeat after me. Dear God. I'm a sinner. Against you. And you alone have I sinned. And I'm so sorry. I believe. That Jesus came to Earth. He lives sinless. He died. He was buried. He rose from the dead. And because he did that. He paid the price for every bad thing I've ever done. And his precious blood. Washed away my sins. God, I've repented. And I thank you. You're a good God. And I am clean. Because of the blood of Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. And now that I'm clean. I boldly proclaim. Jesus is my Lord. Lord Jesus. Come inside of me. O I love you, Lord. I thank you that my name. Is inscribed in the Lamb's Book of Life. Amen. Thank you Jesus!