Sid Roth - Science May Have Just Opened the Gates of Hell
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest died at age 21, went to Heaven, had downloaded into his spirit information that he would need the rest of his life and he's starting to reveal this information. First thing he revealed is he announced before it happened that the pope would resign, the exact year he would resign and the exact month he would resign. Now God has unraveled to him information involving the End Times, science and the supernatural all coming together and it reads like the Book of Revelation.
Sid Roth: I do supernatural shows. But I mean, this show is, if the edge is here, it's way down there. So we have Tom Horn, who many of you are familiar with, and Tom is a tremendous Bible teacher, a prophesy expert. And we also have Sharon Gilbert. She's the scientist in the group. She's a molecular biologist and an expert in prophecy. Sharon, let me start with you. So how does the science and prophecy merge? How do they come together?
Sharon Gilbert: Well it's all over the Bible. But honestly, my feeling is if you don't understand prophecy first, you don't study the Bible, know exactly what the Lord has done in the past and what he's told us what he's going to do now and in the very near future, it's clear that there's a lot of science involved. Mankind is going to change in some way. And if you go back to the Book of Genesis and Genesis 6, we know that there was an incursion that altered man's DNA. That may have been done through direct intervention by fallen angels. Now human beings are, for whatever reason, being led to do something very similar. It's very important that we understand the science.
Sid Roth: But you know what, here's what I see as I'm reading these notes is yes, the science is doing these things, but the same evil supernatural that did this stuff just before the Flood to human kind, it's going to be intermingled with this so called science. Tom Horn, how long have you been researching this stuff?
Tom Horn: Oh well, it started probably about ten years ago, but in earnest about five years ago.
Sid Roth: What is transhumanism?
Tom Horn: Transhumanism is the idea that we are now at a point in our technological development that we can use very powerful emerging fields of technology like genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, cybernetics, all the kind of stuff that maybe we'll get to talk about today. But we're going to use them to take mankind into the next step in our evolution. Transhumanism believes that we no longer have to wait on this very slow gradual process of Darwinian evolution, which might require hundreds of thousands of years or millions of years if you by that idea, and many of them do because many of them are atheists, that we don't have to wait any longer. Now we can take the bull by the horns. We can start modifying ourselves. We can create Homo sapien 2.0, right, a better version of humanity that God made, and that really, in a nutshell, is the idea behind transhumanism.
Sid Roth: Let's define some terms.
Tom Horn: Okay.
Sid Roth: Germ line editing, what is that?
Tom Horn: Germ line editing actually has the potential to fulfill what the early eugenics movement wanted to do, in that when you make modifications to your genetics at the germ line level, this is the earliest level, sperm, eggs, very early embryos, it becomes a permanent part of the genetic makeup and it will be passed forward to all future generations. So if you start making germ line modification, especially if you're using transgenic sciences, now here again, you might be surprised to know that right here at North Carolina at your university they have what's called a transgenic lab.
Sid Roth: Which means?
Tom Horn: Which means that they have mice that are part human, humanized mice.
Sid Roth: Really?
Tom Horn: Transgenic animals and you can go there and purchase those in order to do experiments. Maybe you're wanting to test a new drug therapy or whatever and you can't get a license from the FDA to test it on a human. So you get a transgenic animal that's got human material in it, you test it on that and you see if the human parts of that animal are responding.
Sid Roth: You know, but it's one thing to experiment with animals. It's another thing to experiment with humans.
Sharon Gilbert: Most of these scientists don't see you and I, and Tom as any different from any other animals. They see human beings as part of an animal evolutionary process. They're wrong, but that's how they see us.
Sid Roth: Well this is going to create, just as we have so many divisions in America, racial divisions, political divisions, there's going to be a big divide on this, divide between Christians that understand what you're saying and saying the average public that says, oh, they're going to cure cancer. Do it.
Tom Horn: Yes. That bothers me much less than the divide that is coming when we start talking about war fighters who are something like a werewolf. And that may sound so outlandish, so astonishing as to be unbelievable, and yet it is exactly what the top advisory panels in the world are communicating right now to our Department of Defense and so on. DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agencies, presidentially approved a budget, which people can look up and read for themselves, has tens of millions of dollars in it for creating a new genetic blueprint for humanity. So this is already being budgeted in the United States military.
Sid Roth: You know what this sounds like, but it's a spin you've never heard before. It sounds like we are told in the Bible it will be like the days of Noah. We focused on other things like the days of Noah. But you why it was the days of Noah? Do you know why God had the Flood? The same thing was going on. We'll be right back.
Sid Roth: Okay Tom, I brought up a subject, right, the days of Noah. What do you see that means based on everything you know?
Tom Horn: The days of Noah, well certainly, first of all for those that may not know, this is from when our Lord's closest disciples, in Matthew 24, they go to him and they say, "Lord, tell us," now this is the upside to this, right, "what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the aeon"? That's the hallelujah side of what we're talking about here. Right?
Sid Roth: The end of the age.
Tom Horn: Yes. And he gives them a list of things that are going to come and then he concludes by saying, "As it was in the days of Noah so should it also be in the coming of the Son of Man". So what was going on in the days of Noah? Well what we do know is that around the world, this story is consistent. We get it from the Hebrew Bible and that's the authoritative text. Right? If the rest of the world disagreed I wouldn't care. Right? I got it from the Bible. But in fact, every ancient culture that had any methodology for keeping records told the story of the time when the gods, the pagans called them, when the gods came down to the earth and they took wives. You know, the Egyptians talk about this. The Greeks talk about Zeus coming down and marrying a woman.
Sid Roth: And we chalk it up mythology, not really true.
Tom Horn: Well, the point is they were all telling an ancient consistent story that does harmonize with what the Bible and the contemporary books of the Bible that are sometimes, like the Book of Enoch, which was quoted by Peter and Jude in New Testament, and actually the parts that Peter and Jude are quoting in the New Testament are taken from this very story. Those angels, which kept not their first estate, that's the story. They came down to the earth and they viewed genetics as a methodology for them to incarnate themselves in a new form of humanity, an illegal form of half man, half something else, right, and immediately came under judgment. And brother, does it raise all kinds of ethical questions because people are asking us today, at what point do you genetically modify a human so that it's questionable about whether they even have a soul? I don't even want to think about that question. Right. I don't want to think about that.
Sid Roth: That begs the question. Someone that is messed with their genes, can they then be saved?
Tom Horn: It's a scary thought. I frankly don't even want to think about the fact that we are budgeting right now to begin this kind of research on some of our, and they'll volunteer, volunteer soldiers who will volunteer to have their genetic material altered so that they can be experiments on the battlefield. But our military at every branch, the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, DARPA, all of them have published public records recently in which they have said whether we like this or not we have to go down this road because if we don't, those who already are developing the technology are going to use it to dominate us on the battlefield. So people are looking forward to what they're calling the technological singularity, and that's a phrase that a famous transhumanist and futurist by the name of Ray Kurzweil made famous. Most people know him. He wrote the book, "The Age of Spiritual Machines". And he originally prognosticated that by the year 2045, AI would become immortal. It will become a synthetic deity. It will become a synthetic god.
Sid Roth: Artificial Intelligence.
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sid Roth: AI will become a substitute for God.
Tom Horn: And that's, to answer your question, how does this seem like the days of Noah? Because for the first time since the Great Flood, we have intentionally set course to repeat what history only says ever happened once before and it led to the Great Flood. It led to the destruction. But there are leading transhumanists in the world that are excited about the possibility that by changing our brain chemistry and our genetic makeup we can put ourself into contact with what Christians call the supernatural realm. Leading transhumanist Nick Bostrom is one of the most famous transhumanists in the world, teaches at Oxford University, earned his Ph.D. by writing his thesis on transhumanist values. And go to his website and read his own paper where he says, by combining ourself with the animal kingdom, we will begin opening modes of perception because serpents can see into areas of the life spectrum using infrared, which we cannot see. You know, bats can fly using sonar. Dolphins can hear at 80,000 hertz. And so they're seeing all these as kind of super human benefits that we could acquire. But he mentions opening a door, too, to maybe some other intelligence that is there, and there are transhumanists. By the way, there's now a Christian transhumanist society. There's a Mormon transhumanist society. And at Arizona State University they have been funding a whole series, the Templeton Foundation, on what's called transhumanism and religion, talking about how transhumanism is going to modify what we think we know about God.
Sid Roth: Hold that thought. When we come back, this is recent, although some of this is just off of the press, things that are going on just in the last few months that verify what he's saying, and much worse. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Okay. I have some of these recent reports here which are amazing to me. Something called the Washington Summit, they voted for something. Tell me about that.
Tom Horn: Yes. Well actually that goes again to this CRISPR-Cas9 technology. We're almost at a point of point and click, you know, almost like using a mouse to make modification to human genes. And it's almost like if you've used a word processor and you have the find and replace key, and you know how you can say, find the word "you" and replace it with the word "your", or whatever, and you hit that and it goes through the whole document. Well CRISPR-Cas9 is kind of like that. It's designed, go into the DNA strands, find a particular genetic series of numbers, clip it out like a pair of high tech scissors and replace it with new genetic information and put the strands back together.
Sid Roth: You have that machine with you. Show me it. Is it called the CRISPR machine?
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sharon Gilbert: It's just a little kit.
Tom Horn: Yes. So imagine that the world right now is in an uproar over a science kit no bigger than that.
Sid Roth: Small.
Tom Horn: Yes. And again, she can explain how it works. But here's what you should know. That technology can accomplish what the eugenicists of the early century wanted to do. That technology is being used right now to rewrite human genetic makeup at the germ line level. Imagine if the Antichrist has his hands on this kind of technology. Maybe that explains why with such impunity people are beheaded and killed, treated like animals during the great tribulation period because they have literally engineered an army of individuals who are not like you and I.
Sid Roth: We've seen like the ISIS people cutting off heads, and I say to myself when I see that, how could a human do that?
Tom Horn: Right.
Sid Roth: Well you've just answered how a human can do that.
Tom Horn: Right.
Sid Roth: It's not a human.
Tom Horn: And by the way, one reason why I brought this with me is to make the point that if Tom Horn, an old fat preacher, can get his hands on advanced CRISPR Cas9 G knockout kit, you better believe that terrorists have their hands on this technology.
Sid Roth: Wow. Now you sent my staff a picture of something called a digital tattoo.
Tom Horn: Oh yes.
Sid Roth: Explain what that is.
Tom Horn: Well I actually brought them with me right here. This is ten flexible tattoos. I can take one of those and I put it on the backside of the palm of my hand or on my hand, and I take my Smart Phone and I tap it to that tattoo. What it does is it authenticates me by causing that to create a vein pattern, a blood vein pattern in my hand, which then becomes my biometric marker.
Sid Roth: So you may not be able to buy or sell unless you do that, according to the book I read.
Tom Horn: Actually, the REAL ID Act, which anybody can read about right now, here in the United States is calling for a biometric identification system before you can enter into any federal building. It's the kind of technology they're talking about to secure the borders. It's the kind of technology for boarding a plane.
Sid Roth: How does this tie in with things that we read in the Book of Revelation, like the beast?
Tom Horn: Right. First of all, remember what it says: "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast". I think that the technological singularity might actually be the moment when we give life to the image of the beast because the moment when the AI develops a conscious, when suddenly it thinks it is an I AM that I AM.
Sid Roth: You're saying when a machine thinks that it's real?
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sid Roth: Can think for itself?
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sharon Gilbert: It becomes sentient and then there's, even beyond that, a super AI.
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sharon Gilbert: And that is the AI.
Sid Roth: Artificial intelligence, AI.
Sharon Gilbert: Yes.
Tom Horn: Hugo de Garis, who is one of the most famous transhumanists in the world, he believes that we are very close now to that I AM that I AM moment.
Sid Roth: So what you're saying though is that a machine that's been built to help humanity will become a new form of humanity. There are many true Bible believers that are watching us.
Tom Horn: Yes.
Sid Roth: I want you to look into the camera and tell them what to do about this.
Tom Horn: Okay. I will tell them to do. Get at least a basic knowledge about the genetics revolution, about biotechnology and then don't forget this. Don't forget to pray. I always say this because I often imagine my little grandmother from many years ago sitting in a room saying, it's so far above my head, I can't really understand this, I don't have the money to buy the product. I'm not going, I'm crippled and I can't go to church to be a part of the Sunday school class. Don't forget to pray. During, you know, during the time that the reformers were being persecuted, Mary Queen of Scot said she feared the prayers of John Knox more than all the armies of England. So don't forget that prayer does change things.
Sharon Gilbert: Amen. Amen.
Sid Roth: And don't forget this. Right. The move of God that I see and that Tom sees, and many of my friends see, it's actually upon us right now. We're coming into a time where I want to take my TV cameras in a hospital of veterans without limbs and I want, in the name of Jesus, the entire missing limb to just grow right out, and I want that to be on the six p.m., seven p.m. news. You pick it. I want God to show up and show off that there's no time for this nonsense that the devil is trying to undermine all of humanity. You know, the devil is dumb. He doesn't know about one believer that's walking in the power of God and It's Supernatural is raising up an army of believers that are walking in the supernatural of God. And whether you know it or not, you're one.
Sharon Gilbert: Amen.
Sid Roth: But you're not just alone. The Creator of the universe lives in you and he's going to start giving you revelation of the Word of God, and you are going to start doing the same things Jesus did and ever greater. So I commission you, raise your head, don't be fearful and charge!