Sid Roth - STOP Before It's Too Late
My guest John McTernan has found the most amazing statistics. Since 1991, how many times have you seen that when the United States goes against Israel there have been what the world calls natural catastrophes?
John McTernan: Sid, at a minimum 50, but probably closer to 70.
Sid Roth: Now many people feel that when there are things like earthquakes and hurricanes, and the stock market goes down, that's the type of things we're talking, many people think, John, that this is just the natural decay of planet earth in every arena. How would you respond to that?
John McTernan: Well Sid, obviously there is truth to that natural decay.
Sid Roth: Sure.
John McTernan: But it's the timing of it, Sid, and a magnitude of the hurricanes, for example, like hurricane Andrew, hurricane Katrina and other hurricanes falling precisely on these events. Precisely, Sid.
Sid Roth: Why is it though, what I'm pondering and what I'd John to explain is why is it that there are these warning judgments from God within 24 hours of the event when the United States tries to divide up the land of Israel? Why is that, John?
John McTernan: Sid, in the Bible, God has made promises, starting with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants, which would be the Jewish people today, of the land. And there are blessings and curses how people react to Jewish people on the land. So part of the cursing is if you try and divide the land, which unfortunately the United States is really the leading nation in the world pressuring Israel to do this since 1991.
Sid Roth: Give me some examples of what the United States did and what happened, just a couple.
John McTernan: Well Sid, we'll start at the very beginning at the Madrid peace process, which is really a code word for the dividing of Israel. The date was October 30, 1991, president Bush, Sr., an up and coming president, his father, president Bush, Sr., he initiated this after the gulf war thinking that with the power of the United States you could have this comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and part of it would be dividing the land, including Jerusalem. And when the president was delivering this speech in Madrid, Spain, initiating the Madrid peace process, on that very day, Sid, in fact, I'll almost go as far as to say the hour, the perfect storm, and if you can think back to 1991, the perfect storm.
Sid Roth: There was a movie.
John McTernan: Movie. There was a bestselling book. The perfect storm had generated, was the most powerful storm ever recorded in history in the north Atlantic. It generated 30-foot waves that came against the president's home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He has a home on the coast.
Sid Roth: It really caused destruction in his home?
John McTernan: Yes. Thirty-foot waves. Eyewitnesses said, Sid, that the waves just engulfed the home. They came over it. So as the president of the United States was in this process of touching the land of Israel, his own home was being devastated.
Sid Roth: Give me another example.
John McTernan: Well the next year, the Madrid peace process was transferred from Madrid, Spain to Washington, D.C. The very first day that they met was August 23, Sid, 1992, on American soil. Previously they had been in Madrid. And you could see the headlines in the newspapers, I have all the headlines where, where hurricane Andrew, at that time it was the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States. Since then hurricane Katrina has surpassed it. But hurricane Andrew hit four hours before they met on American soil. So you'll see the newspapers with the headline, hurricane Andrew and all the damage and right there with it is the Madrid peace process. So you can't miss it, Sid.
Sid Roth: Which is, again, the Madrid peace process is land for peace. But you mentioned hurricane Katrina. Is there any correlation with that?
John McTernan: I'm going to stretch your mind a little. But to go back to hurricane Katrina and the Jewish people being evacuated from Gaza.
Sid Roth: The settlements.
John McTernan: The settlements called Gush Katif. And of course Gaza is part of the covenant land. It's that land that was given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants. In fact, Sid, the prophet Obadiah, which your viewers may have a hard time finding because it's the smallest book.
Sid Roth: I know.
John McTernan: When I preach on Obadiah I give people extra time to find it. But right there in Obadiah it talks about the day of the Lord, which of course is the second coming of the Lord Jesus.
Sid Roth: Which we're obviously approaching.
John McTernan: Without a doubt. And it says specifically that the plain of Philistines are going to belong, the Jewish people are going to be in control of the plain of Philistines, which in modern terminology is Gaza. So the prophetic word says that this land is going to be inhabited and controlled by the Jewish people. Yet through pressure of the United States with George Bush, Jr. And with Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, we've pressured the Jewish government, the Israeli government to unilaterally abandon the land, and plus the president also promised American money to help with the resettlement of the Jewish people that are being taken off the land. So that was taking place exactly at the time that hurricane Katrina, it's the United States. So we're forcing Jewish people off the land in Israel and Americans are being forced off the land in the United States.
Sid Roth: Now listen, I would not call this a warning judgment. I would call this a judgment.
John McTernan: Yes, Sid, yes. In my book, when I first started in the mid-1990s, I called it warning judgments or judgments unto repentance.
Sid Roth: But we've passed that line right now.
John McTernan: Yes we have, Sid.
Sid Roth: This is what John has uncovered now. It's the best kept secret in American history. There is a key to American prosperity that is not mentioned in any of the history books. We'll reveal that and you are going to be absolutely amazed when you hear the best kept secret. It won't be secret any more. Be right back after this word. We'll be right back to it's supernatural.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here with John McTernan. What is the best, I mean the best kept secret in American history that is the key to our prosperity? John McTernan, what is it?
John McTernan: It's our blessing of the Jewish people, Sid, throughout the history of America.
Sid Roth: You really see a tie-in. Let's go back to George Washington.
John McTernan: Sid, from the very beginning, America is unique in world history. I always have to touch upon world history and then bring in American history regarding the Jewish people. In Europe and in the muslim countries, the Jews would be driven from one country to another. They'd be forced into ghettos. They'd be limited in what they could do. Their property would be stolen. And Sid, in the history of America, that's never occurred. Isn't that amazing, sid? Going back even before we were nation.
Sid Roth: It really is, does show the uniqueness of America.
John McTernan: Unique, Sid. And starting with the, I'll start with the American revolution because of the time constraints we have here. The Jewish population during the American revolution was approximately 3000, maybe a little bit more, and the Jewish people to a man supported the American revolution, all of it. And they gave everything they had, Sid. Most of them were merchants at that time. They owned ships. They gave them all to the continental congress. Many of the ships that transported soldiers and goods were Jewish ships. They outfitted the continental army. Isn't that amazing?
Sid Roth: I've read there was one very wealthy Jewish man that without him it's questionable whether there would be a United States of America.
John McTernan: That's Haym Salomon.
Sid Roth: Yes.
John McTernan: And he was very instrumental, Sid, from 1781 to when we were granted our independence in 1783. His credit kept America going. He was a polish Jewish man that came over here. He was, when you read about his history in the American revolution it brings tears to your eyes. He stayed behind the lines and he worked amongst the oppression mercenaries to get them to join the American army because he was fluent in German. So he would work, isn't that amazing, he would work amongst the Germans to join the American army. And he was captured as a spy. He was let go the first time. He was captured the second time. He developed tUberculosis in prison. They were going to execute him. He was able to escape. He went to Philadelphia from New York. And because he knew seven languages he knew international finance and he was honest and became an incredibly prosperous broker because a ship from France would come in and he would be able to speak French and be able to negotiate the different currencies.
Sid Roth: And single-handedly he financed the American revolution, we could almost say. But I read things about George Washington that were amazing.
John McTernan: Yes, Sid. In my book I document letters that George Washington wrote to several Jewish congregations in the United States, and two of them in particular are astonishing. When he wrote to the Jewish people in providence, Rhodes island, he said that he wanted America to be like the Messianic reign. He didn't say that quite that way. I'm paraphrasing it. But he quoted Micah 4:4 in his letter to the Jewish people saying that, 'every man will sit under their victory and every man will sit under their vine'.
Sid Roth: So he saw the connection between Jewish people and America, and the Messianic kingdom.
John McTernan: That's right. He wanted America to be such a blessing to the Jewish people that it would be like something like the Messianic reign. And then he said the same God that delivered the Jewish people from Egypt is the same God that created the United States of America. He made a direct link between the Jewish God and the God of America.
Sid Roth: Let's fast forward. Abraham Lincoln, what was his view on the Jew?
John McTernan: Sid, it's amazing. There's so much, it's hard, I'm going to have to clear it up here.
Sid Roth: They'll get your book. Go ahead.
John McTernan: Most countries, Sid, initiate laws against the Jewish people where they can't go, they can't worship freely, for example. They can't travel. They can't own businesses. Probably one of the few times in history, America initiated a law for the Jewish people. A Jewish man went to president Lincoln and said, 'Mr. President, there are no Jews allowed in the, no Jewish chaplains allowed in the American military'. And Abraham Lincoln realized that it was true and he went to the congress and he petitioned congress that they would specifically pass a law to allow Jewish chaplains in the northern army. It's always the opposite in every other country, Sid. But in America, we made a law favoring the Jewish people. And then unfortunately, in the heat of battle general Ulysses S. Grant made a major mistake. There were unscrupulous traitors with merchants in the north that were trading with the south and they were enabling the south to continue the war through this trading, and a few of them were Jewish. And general grant initiated what's called in history is known as 'general order 11', literally deporting the Jewish people from Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi and those areas that wanted control of the northern army. A Jewish man went to a congressman and told them what had happened, who immediately went to the president and explained what general grant was doing. Immediately president Lincoln had general grant rescind these orders and said, 'we are not going after a class of people'. He would not allow the Jewish people to be stigmatized.
Sid Roth: Now why do you feel that we were blessed as a nation because we've been the only country that has offered such freedom to Jews?
John McTernan: Well Sid, it's crystal clear and this is the lens that I look at history through that God said, 'I will bless them' speaking of Abraham and his descendants. 'I will bless them that bless you and I will curse them that curse you'. And I'm not saying America has been a perfect nation and I'm not saying that the Jews didn't receive prejudice here, but they were descendant like everybody else. Like my descendants are Irish. There's prejudice there.
Sid Roth: Listen, you have things in your book that are so phenomenal. Like for instance, did you know there's a direct connection to 9/11 and going against Israel? We'll be right back after this word. Don't go away. We'll be right back to it's supernatural.
Sid Roth: My guest John McTernan says that he sees a direct connection between 9/11 and the U.S. And the way the U.S. Handles Israel. What is that?
John McTernan: Well Sid, I just want to refresh your viewers' memory that we're talking about 50 or 60, or 70 same-day events and things happening around the same day regarding the United States pressuring Israel. So 9/11 is not just, what I'm saying is isolated.
Sid Roth: In other words, within say 24 hours usually or even the exact moment when something bad happens to America, since 1991, John has documented there is a direct correlation with our handling of Israel. So continue.
John McTernan: Right. So just prior to 9/11, within a week prior to 9/11, the information I'm relaying to you comes from information that the White House released picked up by national newspapers. The president had formulated his policy towards Israel was a two-state policy in that on September 13, secretary of state, at that time, Powell was going to notify the Saudi Arabian ambassador that we were going to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state and that was going to be announced at the general assembly of the United Nations on September 23, 2001. So 9/11 occurred right at the very time we were going to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state and 9/11 put the brakes on it. And we then became at war with the same terrorists. I don't see much difference between the Palestinian terrorists and Osama Bin Laden. I see them as the same bedfellows there. And we were at war now with the same enemies that Israel was at war. Literally we were at war.
Sid Roth: You know, in your book, I think it is absolutely amazing as you trace two countries that are similar: the United States of America and Russia, the former Soviet Union, and how one country went against the Jew and what happened to them, and the other country blessed the Jew and what happened to them. Would you explain.
John McTernan: Sid, it's really quite an analogy where the Jews were being driven out of Russia simply because they were Jewish. The Russians were doing every conceivable thing to drive them out. The only country in the world, now we're talking starting in 1881, Sid. The only country in the world that would accept them was the United States. All of Europe closed the doors. Whoever closed the doors, the United States opened the doors wide and whatever Jews came out of Russia we accepted it, Sid. Eventually it was somewhere between two and three million Jews fled Russia and came to the United States. But in my book I document, starting in 1881, God began to raise us up as a world power and you could see as the Jews...
Sid Roth: So you could pinpoint it.
John McTernan: You could pinpoint it to the year, Sid, the very year. Isn't that amazing? As we accepted the Jews into our country, God began to raise us up as a world power. And I show it almost year by year this parallel.
Sid Roth: Now what happened to Russia when they did these things?
John McTernan: Sid, I want to speak briefly on what's called the may laws of 1883 and it was draconian laws that the Russian government backed by the Russian orthodox church applied on the Jewish people. For example, they were only allowed to live in a small section of Russia. If they were outside that they lost their property, they lost their business, they lost their land at gunpoint and they were driven into this section. They lived in small little enclaves. Their businesses would be stolen from them. Their kids couldn't go to school. They couldn't worship Judaism. They lived in like terror and the pogroms started, which is organized assaults on the Jewish people. And I believe, Sid, that when you look and what the Russian people did to the Jewish people that communism was nothing more than the may laws of 1883 applied to all of Russia. Now the Russian orthodox church couldn't worship. Like they were doing to the Jews, it hit the Russian orthodox church.
Sid Roth: It was like the law of sowing and reaping.
John McTernan: Exactly.
Sid Roth: As they were evil to the Jews, they reaped evil.
John McTernan: One generation later it came on them. If you can think of Russian, Sid, and Stalin and Lenin how they would uproot whole bunches of people and move them, send them to Siberia. That's exactly what they did to the Jewish people, Sid. Their land, you couldn't own land in Russia. Land was stolen from people. The Jewish people, their land was stolen from them. So I look at communism, one aspect of it is punishment. It's you bless the Jew, America was blessed. You curse the Jew, the Russians got communism, and communism was nothing more than the may laws of 1883 applied to the whole nation.
Sid Roth: Well here we are now, the United States of America, as far as I'm concerned, one of the greatest countries the world has ever known. But John, you say in your book we're at a crossroads. What do you mean?
John McTernan: Sid, the American government, and specifically the presidency, and I'm not getting into democrat or republican because it was the same under the democrats as it is under the republicans, we are interfering with God's prophetic plan, like we had mentioned before about gaza, and God in his mercy is trying to bring this to our attention. He's trying to wake the church, Sid, because it's really on our shoulders that we need power from the church. We need intercession from the church. We need prayer from the church.
Sid Roth: All right, what's going to happen if we continue fostering a two-state solution in the Middle East to the United States?
John McTernan: God will break our back, Sid. It will either be, I don't know exactly how he's going to do it. There are several ways that are indicated by these warning judgments. But we will no longer be a world power. He will force us to stop interfering with Israel. It's a matter of how severe the judgment will fall, Sid. But there is no doubt that our back will be broken where cannot, no longer interfere.
Sid Roth: One minute, look in the camera. Talk to president Bush. What you would say to him?
John McTernan: I'd say, president Bush, please stop interfering with the affairs of Israel. Bless Israel. Stand with Israel to support Israel if it's attacked by Ahmadinejad, for example, of Iran, but no longer interfere with the integrity of the nation of Israel.
Sid Roth: Do you believe that there is teeth behind that threat of Iran?
John McTernan: There is no doubt about it, Sid, absolutely no doubt about it. They will attack when they have the capability of doing it. No doubt.
Sid Roth: So what would you advise president Bush to do right now in reference to Iran?
John McTernan: Well he's already told Iran that if they attack Israel that we will defend Israel. The president has said that March of this year, which is a tremendous thing to say. No other nation in the world would dare say that. That's the dichotomy of the United States.
Sid Roth: Listen, here's what I believe. I believe we're buying time and I want as much time as possible here in the United States. I want this to be the land of the brave and the land of the free. I want it to be a place where Jewish people could be free. I'm Jewish. I also happen to be a Russian Jew, so I'm very grateful to the United States of America. But I say this to you, that one day, according to the Bible, every Jew will end up in Israel. But the problem is the safest place in the world is not the United States for a Jew. The safest place in the world is not Israel for a Jew. There's only one safe place for a Jew and that is intimacy with God. There is only one way to have intimacy with God. There is only one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is only one Messiah, not a Messiah for the Jews and a Messiah for the gentiles. There is only one covenant. Jewish people already have the correct covenant. It's called the new covenant. It's found in Jeremiah 31, verse 31. Gentles are grafted in to the new Jewish covenant found in Jeremiah, chapter 31:31. When someone tells God they're sorry for their sins, that's called repentance, and asks God to forgive them in the name of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, Yeshua, and believes that he separated their sins from them and took them on himself, and boldly proclaims Yeshua is my Messiah and Lord then you are under the new covenant. You have intimacy with God and there could not be a safer place than in the arms of Yeshua.