Sid Roth - I Can See Angels and Demons with Don Paul
My guest can see into the invisible realm. He's seen demons, he's seen angels. He's prayed for people with cancer, AIDS, and they've been healed. Next on this edition of "It's Supernatural"!
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter. I have to tell you, my guest provokes me to jealousy, because from a young child he's been able to see into the invisible world. He's been able to know things that would happen in the future, and they actually happen. He's been able to pray for people even with leukemia. Tell me about that person with leukemia.
Don Paul: Sid, that was an interesting experience, and that came after I had been walking with the Lord for quite a while. And it was stemmed - a lot of people think that when you're praying for people and there's that kind of anointing on your life, that you're always this like perfect person, and I think that's how sometimes people think, "Oh, God would never use me. You must be perfect". And that's not at all how it works. That was actually stemmed from me actually being depressed and I wouldn't get out bed. I had been believing for a particular wife for some period of time and I wasn't seeing any results, and I just started saying, you know, "This faith stuff, forget it. I'm sick of this". At that point in my life God was not really dealing with me like a baby. He was dealing with me a little more mature, and so He just kind of gave me five scriptures. Very quickly I looked at them, and He basically said, "Okay, now you get up and get out of bed and you go in faith, or you stay in that lower realm of depression". And I said, "Wow. Okay". You know, it's that easy to fall out of faith just by letting our self - that depression hit us. And I started realizing "... without faith it is impossible to please God", and that we're supposed to walk in a constant attitude of faith, and that actually is fighting the fight of faith, or fighting that battle is to literally fight back the discouragement. It's so easy to quit. It's so easy to die.
Sid Roth: You know, Don, there are - you're looking at me right now, and there are people in various stages of depression. There is a presence of the most Holy God that will go right through your television set, and that presence will destroy that depression. So what did God tell you to do beyond get out of bed and grow up?
Don Paul: Well he said, "You stop giving into that. You stand up and dare to believe in me. I called you to start believing in me". So I said, "Okay, fine. I'm up. I'm out of bed. What do you want to believe for"? And God goes, "Cancer". And I said, "Cancer? Could we try something a little easier"? God immediately lets me see my heart, "Like what, You think You're going to heal cancer"? And I go, "Oh, that's right; You're the healer, not me". And I said, "Okay fine, you want to heal cancer? Great". And so I start praying for cancer. He shows me a vision of a little boy with cancer in a hospital. And as I'm praying, I all of a sudden stop and I think, "Wait a second. You're going to have to be a little more specific about - am I in Fantasy Island? I mean, I'm seeing this vision, or is this real? I don't - what do I do beyond this"? Just then the phone rings. It's a Messianic believer, and she calls up and says, "Don, I know that God uses you to heal people, and well, I know you're busy, but would it be too much to ask? One of my students has got leukemia. His mom just called me. He's in the hospital; he’s supposed to die in the next two days. Would it be too much to ask for you to come down"? And I said, "No, and not only am I going to come down," I said, "God is going to heal him. You would not believe what I just went through at my house hanging out with God". And so a few minutes later...
Sid Roth: Now when you make a statement like that, Don Paul, you are really putting everything on the line because you didn't say, "Oh I'll go and do a nice cosmetic prayer". You said "God is going to heal him". That's pretty strong.
Don Paul: But it's easier that way. When God sets it up and shows you there's no risk; the risk is when you do it and God hasn't shown you.
Sid Roth: Okay. You go to the hospital. Then what?
Don Paul: Okay. So we make arrangements down at the hospital. As I'm walking down the corridor, now keep in mind God and me, were having a whole experience at home. My depression, you know, doubt, unbelief, getting into a place of faith then seeing the vision, and I'm really caught up into this atmosphere with God. Now we're at the hospital, and as I'm walking down the corridor toward the boy's door, the Holy Spirit speaks and he says, "Now listen, I don't want you to go by what you see. This little boy has been on chemo, radiation. He's not going to look good at all, and I don't want what you see to pull you out, because if you can't stay in this atmosphere where you know I'm going to heal him, you won't be able to bring him to that place, and I don't want you being brought to where he's at, where it's impossible". So I walk into the room expecting to see the worst, knowing God is going to heal him. I walk in, he's all tubed up. Everything, you know, barely can breathe; just horrible. And I talk to him for a few minutes and, now this is the first time I prayed for somebody and I didn't feel the presence of God. Now for those of you that don't understand, sometimes believers will feel the presence of God, sometimes like warmth or heat, they'll feel that. This is the first time I did not feel the presence of God before he did a miracle, which is really interesting. God showed me that a lot of times we'll feel that presence to help our faith. But see, he had given me a word so I knew he was going to do it. See, God is trying to get us to believe even if we don't feel the presence. That's really interesting. So here we are a few minutes later. They're singing songs, worshiping God, and I'm praying for the boy. I pray for his salvation and baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Sid Roth: To be filled with God's spirit. Go ahead.
Don Paul: Yes, to be filled with God's spirit. And now he's in bed. He's laying down; he barely can breathe, okay. His lungs are just full of fluid. I reach over and I say, "God, clean out his lungs". I figured in my mind it would take two to three weeks, you know. Instantly stuff started coming up. All of a sudden, the nurse comes in. The boy - the guy is getting his lungs cleaned out. People are worshiping Jesus. Everybody is, you know, and the nurse is like, "What's going on in here"? Because it looked like it was out of control. And I said, "We're done". And we walk out of the room. Now see, I had told the boy, I said, "Sit up and act like you're healed". That's when it happened. Okay. So we're out of the room. I get a call a few days later and she says, "You're not going to believe this. The little boy's mom just called me. The doctors don't understand what happened. Not only is the little boy healed, he is outside playing with the next door neighbor kids like nothing ever happened".
Sid Roth: I've got one question for you.
Don Paul: What?
Sid Roth: What happened to your depression? You know what happened to his depression? We'll be right back after this. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter, and I'm here with Don Paul. And as I said at the beginning, he provokes me to jealousy. He can see in the invisible realm. I mean, I hear God's voice but the way, uh-oh, I just heard God's voice. You see, when you say it you hear it. I just heard God's voice. He said that someone has just been healed in their neck and back, and someone without any hope, hope is going to come. There are people with AIDS. When you got full blown AIDS, there's not much that medical science can do. But there is a doctor that can help you when regular doctors say there's nothing we can do. His name is "the Messiah of Israel", "Yeshua or "Jesus". AIDS, Don Paul, have you ever prayed for someone with AIDS?
Don Paul: That's interesting. I was part of a ministry team for several years in Los Angeles, California. And one particular person that's come into mind, I remember taking him to the ministry several times. Now the first time he's riding in my car I get a vision, and in the spirit realm you had mentioned about the demonic as well as angels. In the spirit realm I saw like a black angel, if you will, very dark, shining high and lifted up over his life, and it was a spirit of death that was trying to kill him. I didn't even know he had AIDS at the time. I knew...
Sid Roth: Do you believe that when someone dies there's always like a spirit of death that's ready there to take them?
Don Paul: Oh sure. There's all kinds of spirits. There's all kinds of spirits.
Sid Roth: I guess most people it would blow their mind if they could see into the invisible world.
Don Paul: Well God told me a long time ago, he said, "Don, why do you think I want you to be obedient"? And I immediately heard from all the years of music that I had been involved with, I immediately heard, "Under my thumb" like Mick Jagger.
Sid Roth: Before you were a believer you were involved in the music scene.
Don Paul: Right. And so when God was saying, "Why do you think I want you obedient"? And I was thinking, you just want to rule over me. That's what came up. And God said, "no. And he opened my eyes and he showed me the demonic realm that's all around us. And he said, "I don't let you see this most of the time because if I did you wouldn't enjoy your life". Then he showed me like a fist coming out of this realm and he said, "But I see it and when I say "Duck", I mean duck. In other words, I'm trying to protect you". And part of the reason I think God lets me see things is because I'm so stubborn sometimes and so intellectual, it's like "Well, that doesn't make sense. I don't want to do it". Then he shows me the spirit and I go, I understand. No problem.
Sid Roth: So you're with this fellow with AIDS.
Don Paul: And I'm with this fellow and I see this spirit of death that's looming over him. We start going through - he actually went through, he came out of a homosexual lifestyle. That process with him went on over several years because he would come in, get healed, get delivered of the demonic spirits he had opened his soul up to, walk clean for a while, then fall back into the sexual sin, and then walk clean again, and fall, and he would be going through the deliverance. And you know the Bible talks about, you know -
Sid Roth: Seven times worse.
Don Paul: Right. Luckily, he was baptized in the Holy Ghost. And at that point it was just a battle for his soul. And so our team continued to stand with him and others, and as we would battle that through and battle that through. Today he's a minister, he’s got a ministry to the homosexual community. He is married. He has got a beautiful child and none of them have AIDS, and none of anything, and that's a testimony to our Papa.
Sid Roth: Tell something that I'm very, very curious about. You were into rock type music. You were a musician. Now knowing what you know, things that many people watch on television, the music that the teens take into their house, how dangerous is this in the invisible world?
Don Paul: Well as you know, Lucifer was the head musician. We always hear that. Music - coming from music I can really talk boldly. I will just say the music I was involved in, which was rock and roll, there was a lot of spirits, a lot of doors that get open through music. Rebellion enters in. It is powerful and influencing. Something that comes to mind is a lot of times parents will say, "Turn off that music; it's giving me a headache". That headache, most people don't realize, that headache is spiritual oppression. Music is designed as we worship God or as we praise how wonderful he is, the presence of God inhabits the room. When we lift up the demonic realm through that music we evoke demonic spirits. We will feel that like a headache. It's not a headache. It's spiritual clogging. It's a heaviness that comes in. And what happens is you can get so under that music that you don't feel that. When I was submitting through my season of healing and deliverance, I remember when my spiritual father came up and said, "Well you kind of got this heavy metal, this rock and roll spirit over you". Something in me said "What is he talking about? That's who I am. I'm a musician". And I heard God say, "You came to submit". And I said, "Okay fine. I submit to you but not this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about". So the guy is praying for me and I'm like, "He's pushing me down"!, you know, as I go to the ground. Okay. The next day I get...
Sid Roth: Wait a second. What happened? Explain this to me. What do you mean He's pushing you down?
Don Paul: Well he's praying for me and I'm starting to be slain, or -
Sid Roth: The Spirit of God is putting you down on the floor; is that what you're saying?
Don Paul: Right. But that spirit of rebellion that's in me is saying, it's that voice that's in me that's saying, "No, this guy is pushing me to the ground", because it's that spirit that was just fighting him the whole way down. But I did yield and let that man of God pray for me. The interesting thing was the very next day my best friend guitar player came in the room to do a session. When he entered in, whoa, I felt that heaviness. And until I yielded to get delivered of that spirit, I couldn't discern that spirit. And see, a lot of people, the cleaner we get in the spirit, the more we discern other spirits. Isn't that interesting?
Sid Roth: What about we watch on television and we see psychics and we see "The Exorcist" or things along those lines? What could happen to people watching those things?
Don Paul: Did you ever hear the terminology, "Curiosity killed the cat"?
Sid Roth: I've heard that.
Don Paul: Okay. The Bible says, "... think on these things", "... lovely ... and pure …", and it’s not that God is trying to keep us from having fun. In fact, when I was first around healing and deliverance ministries, God was saying, "Don, it's not that I don't want you to have fun"; He said, 'there's just certain things that are called sin and if you do them you open your soul up". And the demonic realm will try and transfer. It's exactly what they used to do with the Jewish sacrifices that they used to do. They would pray - when they would sin, a spirit would enter in, whether it was murder, adultery, whatever. The priest would pray the spirits or the sin into the scapegoat, shut the door of life and that was how they kept people spiritually clean. And God was saying, "It's not that I don't want you to have fun you just need to understand there's a spirit realm that you open your heart and soul up to. And when we look into dark corridors of depravity in different areas, by curiosity, we get ensnared.
Sid Roth: Did you hear that? There is a danger. But I've got some good news for you. There's a power that's greater, greater than that danger. We'll talk about it when we come back. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter. Next week we're going to have a man, he calls himself Dr. Purpose. Let's go into the control room and talk about next week's guest. Janie, Dr. Purpose, what is his purpose?
Janie DuVall: Dr. Purpose helps people to find their purpose. He says what we love, what makes angry, what makes us cry, what irritates us shows us really what our purpose is. I mean, people are always asking, why am I here? What's my purpose in life? He had an angelic visitation and that angelic visitation led him to understand these principles about purpose.
Sid Roth: And what's so wonderful is it's not just psychological principles, it's supernatural principles that will allow an individual to not only find their purpose in life, but to focus that purpose and make their life count. I've got here in the studio, I don't know what to describe. You keep provoking me to jealousy.
Don Paul: Are you Jewish?
Sid Roth: Yes. But doesn't the Bible say that you're supposed to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy?
Don Paul: You didn't know that I knew.
Sid Roth: I mean, I'm sure that you did. But we were talking about people that either ignorantly or even on purpose open themselves up to the demonic by music or by what they take into their home. But how does someone that has opened that door get rid of what's happened, and even better than that, I know that there's greater power in the name of Jesus than there is in the demonic realm. Explain that though.
Don Paul: Well you said it yourself. You said sometimes people do things by omission and commission. Isn't that what they had, Israel had the sacrifices for? Sometimes people did stuff because they just wanted to.
Sid Roth: Right.
Don Paul: Sometimes they didn't understand that they got spiritually defiled. Okay. Well God loves us so much, he makes a plan and a way to get sanctified or cleansed of the demonic realm, and that's the blood of Jesus. See, Jesus was the final sacrifice. He was the Lamb of God. I want to just tell anybody if you're going through any problems, people - I just met a woman again the other day, hearing voices and hearing all kinds of things. Cry out to God, you know, ask him to come into your heart and to cleanse you with that blood. And when we by faith partake of that wonderful miracle that he did we can partake of the blessings. I've seen demons scream. And you can say anything you want to them, Mohammed, Buddha. You can say anything. You say the blood of Jesus, those demons say, "Not the blood! Not the blood"! And I at first thought this whole blood of Jesus, this is funny. But when I saw...
Sid Roth: Wait a second. I have not seen something like this before.
Don Paul: Okay.
Sid Roth: I believe it, but I haven't seen this with my eyes. In other words, you can see in the invisible realm and see a demon that's sort of attached to someone?
Don Paul: In a healing or a deliverance, yes on that, too, but in a healing or a deliverance, what made me a real believer was seeing people prayed for. We had celebrities like Denise Matthews, you know which is Vanity. She's now a minister. She used to be with Prince. A lot of people came through the ministry, a lot of Hollywood celebrities, and different people would have manifestations as they were going through their healing or deliverance. And the one thing that really stood out to me was how much, when they started saying, "And oh the blood of Jesus" or saying, "The blood of Jesus is against you, devil, loose them," and the demon would answer back, "not the blood," I suddenly went if the demonic hates the blood of Jesus, I'm no dummy, I love the blood. Come on, give it to me, anything to cover me. See, because it's the blood of Jesus that shields, protects us from that demonic realm.
Sid Roth: Are you afraid of the demonic realm?
Don Paul: No. And I respect the warfare that we're in, but I'm not afraid of it. You will not move in the power of God if you have fear in you. And a lot of people don't understand this, but God said,"I’ve not given you a spirit of fear, but rather love, strength and a sound mind". That reveals that fear is a spirit. God says that the devil controls you all your life through fear. One of the first things God has to do is deliver fear out of you because you cannot stand in a spiritual battle or a healing. People believe God to get healed that they're so full of fear that they're going to die and then they wonder why they have such a problem. You've got to let the Holy Spirit root the fear out because "… we are more than a conqueror …". Once you know his power as you yield to God and allow his spirit to come into you, and to fill you with his power and authority, see, the devil is not afraid of me. The devil is scared to death of the presence of God.
Sid Roth: Okay, but when sometimes I'll pray and I won't see any difference, and I might think it hasn't worked. I'll say, "the blood of Jesus" and I haven't seen anything happen. What's going on in the spirit realm?
Don Paul: I have seen, the Bible says, "The wicked melt in the presence of God". So when I was learning my little spiritual Batman utility belt and I wanted as many weapons for my warfare as possible, I found out that worship was one, because God inhabits the praises and the wicked melt in his presence. I have seen demonic, when you say the name of Jesus, I've seen visions as God was revealing things to me where the demons literally cringe and pull back. I have found by even going into a bad situation, you know, a woman is about to get mugged or something on the street, if you'll just start yelling out in faith, "Jesus! Jesus! Jesus"! into the situation, the whole atmosphere will change.
Sid Roth: But you know what I think though, Don? I think when you say the name and you don't see a result, you're having an effect and they're just continuing their lie to you.
Don Paul: Right.
Sid Roth: But I haven't seen this like you have.
Don Paul: Right. Yeah. The thing is you must continue in faith. And again, your - you get your faith exercised by, you know, going through the trials and tribulations. We all have faith exercises. Some people say, "Oh well, God wouldn't have you believe for a Mercedes". Well if you were a rich kid and you were given Volkswagens your whole life, for you, a step of faith might be to believe for a Mercedes. If you rode a bicycle your whole life, believing for a Volkswagen would be a big deal. So God does give us different types of faith exercises.
Sid Roth: Has God ever given you money supernaturally?
Don Paul: He has met needs as I've given into his purpose. He has come back and taken care of my needs and yes he has.
Sid Roth: I don't think you want to say this, but I want to get you to say this. Tell me what you saw happen in your hand.
Don Paul: Well it's really about leading up to the place, because if I just jump there then we miss the whole dynamics of what he was teaching me, and I don't know if we have time to go through that. I have tapes that go into more detail. But I had basically been giving into ministries. I was fasting. I was standing and I had four dollars to my name. And I met a ministry where I'm meeting the ministry team that I'm part of at the time and they were asking to do an offering. Now I had been fasting for two or three days, and I knew at the end of that meeting I was going to buy myself a cheeseburger, coke and fries for that four bucks. And I heard one of the ministers say, "Maybe we should put an offering plate in case anybody wants to give". And I went, "Woo, do, do, do - not me. I know what I'm spending that money on". And a few minutes later they asked for that, and I really recognized that I was in fear to give because back then I thought you would die if you fasted more than three days. Okay. I end up giving two dollars of the four dollars that I had into that offering plate. And then I said, "Okay God", because what was going through my mind was, "Wait a second, I'm not playing church here". I walked out of church as a little boy because no miracles were happening. I want to know God. And I told him, "If you'll be the God of the Bible I'll follow you". So I gave the two dollars and I said, this thing either works or it doesn't. And so now I'm in faith. Okay God, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? And he has me go down to the hamburger place. I was challenged three times by unbelief that nothing was ever going to happen. And finally the presence of God actually multiplied my four dollars back, and I actually bought the cheeseburger, coke and fries.
Sid Roth: Let me just tell you the interesting thing is he didn't want to say that because he felt too many people would be skeptical. But he saw the money multiply, multiply in his hands. Can you imagine what that would do for your faith? But I believe we're in a time in history where God is going to build you up to be the man or woman he's called you to be. There is a destiny on your life. If you will tell God you're sorry for your sins, believe that blood of Jesus washed your sins away and say, Jesus, I make you my Lord. I want to know you. I want to know you. I want to hear your voice. Someone's back has just been healed in Jesus' name. That hope that you didn't have before, it's flooding you right now. You're being flooded with supernatural faith right now in Jesus' name.