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Joyce Meyer - Do It Afraid (Talk It Out)

Joyce Meyer - Do It Afraid (Talk It Out)
TOPICS: Talk It Out, Fear
Joyce Meyer - Do It Afraid (Talk It Out)

Ginger Stache: Hey guys, come on in here. Yes, you are in the right place. This is, "Joyce Meyer's Talk It Out," podcast. I'm Ginger Stache and my friends, Jai Williams and Erin Cluley, are on their way in just a minute, and so is our great friend Joyce because we have something really special for you, today. You see, not long ago, the three of us had the wonderful opportunity to kind of crash Joyce's party. We hung out with Joyce at a special event that she had called, "Girls' night in". Now, the reason I'm telling you all this is because something really amazing happened there. We were talking about fear, and we've talked about fear on the podcast before and it was wonderful. But this time, as Joyce and the three of us talked about fear, something really special happened and something different came out of it. And we really believe, and I'll go ahead and say it, I think that it's something that God might want you to hear, a word of encouragement for all of you out there. So, we wanted to take this time to make sure that none of our wonderful, "Talk It Out," podcast friends miss this opportunity to kind of kick fear to the curb, and to talk about this together with us. So, today, a special, "Talk It Out," podcast with Joyce and the girls talking about how to overcome fear. I hope you love it.

Ginger Stache: All right, it is time to Talk It Out. So, I've got my girls with me, and this is Joyce's podcast called, "Talk It Out". And what we do is, Joyce teaches the Word of God in her fabulous way that she always does, and then my friends, Jai, and Erin, and I, talk about the stuff of life, and we don't hold anything back, we talk through all of it. So, today, you are our special guest. Keep getting those questions to us and we're going to talk about fear and anxiety and all those things that you've been teaching about, Joyce. But, before we do that, we need to get cozy because we have our fuzzy slippers on.

Joyce Meyer: Well, now wait a minute. What am I doing here with these on.

Ginger Stache: Oh, well, we have that taken care of. Look at these lovelies.

Joyce Meyer: Oh, wow!

Jai Williams: Yes, fit for a queen.

Ginger Stache: Exactly.

Joyce Meyer: I would act surprised but I already told 'em, I was getting 'em, so.

Ginger Stache: But, do you like them?

Joyce Meyer: They're so cute.

Ginger Stache: Yeah, I thought so too.

Joyce Meyer: Oh, and they fit me perfect.

Ginger Stache: We've got some popcorn if anybody...

Joyce Meyer: Can and I have them? Can I take 'em home?

Ginger Stache: You can keep those forever and ever.

Joyce Meyer: Check it out. Whoa! I bet you all can't be jealous though, cuz that's against the word.

Ginger Stache: Well, you don't want people being afraid of, you know, doing the wrong thing, right now. So, that's why we're talking about fear. I'm gonna dish up some popcorn while we do this. But, like I said, you are our guest, so share your questions with us. We're gonna be talking all about what the word says about fear. And what we usually do is we always listen to Joyce sharing God's word and then we Talk It Out together on the podcast. So, let's start, right now, and hear what Joyce has to say.

Joyce Meyer: Romans 8:15 is a great scripture that teaches us that the Holy Spirit did not come to bring us into bondage to fear. "For [the spirit which] you have now received [is] not a spirit of slavery to put you once more in bondage to fear, but you have received the spirit of adoption [the spirit producing sonship] in [the bliss of] which we cry, 'Abba, (father)'". The word "Abba" actually means daddy if you want to just translate it the way it says. Now, this is important because he's saying you're children of God, you're sons and daughters of God. And so, why do we need to have fear? Because if a parent loves their child, they're certainly going to take care of them, right? And fear comes when we don't know what the future holds, or something has happened that we don't know that we can handle, and God wants you to know today that he is going to always take care of you if you keep your trust in him. I said God is always going to take care of you. I mean, like always, always, always, always, always. That's a promise that I have from God for my life. And very often, I have to ask God to whisper that to me again, "I will always take care of you". And I believe that God wants you to hear that today, and let it get rooted down in your life, no matter what you're going through. You may be a single mom here today with three or four little kids, and nobody's really helping you like they should, and maybe you're working a couple of jobs. And here you are, you've come out today to just try to get a little bit of refreshing, and there's no telling what all you have to do once you get home. And maybe one or two of your kids are not behaving the way they should, and life is just not easy for you, and you don't know where all your provision is going to come from. But God wants you to know today that he will always take care of you.

Joyce Meyer: Yes, amen.

Ginger Stache: Good preachin' Joyce.

Ladies: Good job.

Ginger Stache: You deserve some popcorn for that.

Joyce Meyer: Wow.

Ginger Stache: You touch on such an important point. I know so many people who are watching with those fears of: "What's going to happen to me," right?

Joyce Meyer: You know, to have a right relationship with God, you have to get to the point where you're satisfied not to know.

Erin Cluley: So hard.

Ginger Stache: Wow.

Jai Williams: I don't like that.

Joyce Meyer: And I remember God taking me through that part of my journey. Because I was always one of the ones that boy, I wanted to have it figured out. And I really was kind of like addicted to reasoning. You know, I would just, what I mean by that is if a person's addicted to a drug, say, they can't settle down and be comfortable without that drug, well, I was so addicted to having to feel like I had everything in a right place and knew what was gonna happen that I couldn't settle down and be peaceful until I thought I had something figured out. And God told me one time, he gave me a really cute example, we had mail slots at that time in the office, and if you wanted to give somebody a piece of mail or a note, you would put it in their slot. But sometimes, people would not get things you thought you gave 'em because you put it in the wrong slot. And God told me, he said, "You've got a lot of stuff in the wrong slot. And you may feel comfortable with what you think you figured out, but it's not what's gonna happen at all". And I finally, learned that if I knew everything then I wouldn't need God. See, we need him because we don't know everything. And so, to be comfortable not knowing is a wonderful thing, to just be able to say, "I have no idea what's gonna happen in the future. I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow, but God knows, and I'm satisfied to know him".

Ginger Stache: How long did it take you to get there?

Joyce Meyer: It was a while because I had a real problem with reasoning. I mean, literally, when I say I was addicted to it, I just like, was... You know, I almost enjoyed sitting around trying to figure out my problems. It was almost like entertainment for me. And fear is always going to come. I don't have any answer for anybody to tell you how you can go through life and never feel fear. But I wanna make a statement, and you might have to think about it a little bit to grasp it, and that is, is that: you can feel afraid and not be afraid.

Erin Cluley: That sounds very difficult, how do I do that?

Jai Williams: Please explain.

Ginger Stache: Say more.

Joyce Meyer: Well, because you have to realize that your feelings are fickle. And just because you feel something doesn't mean that it's a reality. You know, you can be in a room full of people and feel like, "Well, that person doesn't like me," and that may not be the truth at all. So, we really have to stop believing everything our feelings tell us, and so, I'll just put the question out. You know, do you believe the God of your feelings or the God of the Bible? You know, do you let what you feel, dictate who you really are? And so, I can't tell you that you're never gonna feel afraid. I still feel afraid, at times. You know, it's easier for me now, because I have so much experience with God, of watching him come through for me. And so, every year you walk with God it will get easier, and easier, and easier. But you can feel afraid and still not be afraid.

Erin Cluley: Yeah, it's like you have to retrain yourself to not get stuck at that feeling, to get passed it.

Joyce Meyer: Well, and to know it's a feeling. To be able, you know, I wrote a book called, "Living beyond your feelings". And so, you can have a feeling but not let that feeling boss you around and tell you what reality is.

Ginger Stache: Well, let's take this question as an example, and help us apply it to this. So, this comes from Mandy, she says, "With everything that's going on today, with COVID, and all the uncertainty", we wanna know what's going on. "How do we stand against fear? I have three young kids who are just getting back to school and I struggle with anxiety about their health and safety".

Joyce Meyer: It all gets back to trust in God. Trust in God, you know, it sounds so challenging to do, but when you really think about who God is, and his character, or if you will, his track record. I mean, really, you've been walking with God along time, Ginger, can you really sit there and say that he has ever, totally let you down.

Ginger Stache: You know, I can't. And there were so many times, through my life, that in a moment, I felt like he did. I felt like it. And you may feel like it, right now. But with time, you do begin to see how his plan, even in the things that didn't go the way that I wanted them to happen, that his plan all fits together in this beautiful way that I didn't see coming. And so, often, like you said, when you can look back, you say, "God was so faithful, even when I was mad at him for doing what he did". So, it does, it makes a huge difference when we have that opportunity to look back.

Joyce Meyer: We live life forward, but we understand it backward.

Ginger Stache: Yeah.

Erin Cluley: Yeah.

Jai Williams: That's so true, cuz when you were saying about how you used to feel like you were addicted to reasoning, I feel like that's me. Like, I am a creative, but I'm probably one of the most strategic creatives that I've ever met.

Ginger Stache: You are.

Jai Williams: Like, I love to like, figure...

Erin Cluley: A very organized creative.

Jai Williams: I like to figure things out and I felt like that was me applying my faith. I felt like God, you know, I'm being a good steward of what I believe God has told me. Like, he wants me to do. But it wasn't until I have been recently, especially this year, whoo.

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, you've had a rough year.

Jai Williams: I've had a rough year. It has thrusted me into a place where it's completely out of my control, like, everything. Like literally, like, even if I want to try to put things together in my family, or in my work, or you know, with the question about COVID, or whatever, I literally, can do nothing. And so, I'm learning, I'll be 40 next year, but like, as I'm pushing into that, I'm realizing that I didn't have much faith in God. I believe, I had more faith in myself.

Ginger Stache: Yeah.

Jai Williams: And so, I believe that, you know, with this question...

Ginger Stache: It's an easy place to be.

Jai Williams: And so, yeah, I got mad at God because I felt like he failed me on the faith that I had. And so, I'd had a faith, but it was a faith that I thought. And so, I guess, that was a part of my fears too, was just like, fear that I didn't have enough faith, or fear that I put my faith in the wrong thing, you know? And so...

Ginger Stache: I can't wait until years from now when you can look back, cuz I know that you will, and you'll say, "Wow, God, I did not see this coming. But this is where I am now, and I'm so grateful".

Jai Williams: Yeah, literally, we were listening to Joyce's teaching, like Erin and I, and we were like, "Well, she's all in my mail. How does she know I was going through that, right now"? But it's so encouraging to know that you've gone through this and look at you now. We have such...

Joyce Meyer: Well, in an addition to like, the year you've had, personally, then we've had all this other stuff going on, on top of it. So like, this lady's question, I wanna be sure that we try to answer it properly. You know, when I say, "Trust God," maybe sometimes people get tired of hearing that because they think, "Oh, the pat answer, 'trust God'". But really, I think, when I started to calm down, I just came to the conclusion, "Look, I'm either gonna trust God with this or I'm gonna go crazy". You know, I'm gonna drive myself nutty.

Ginger Stache: We can do that, can't we?

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, just being upset all the time. And just like, some kind of an emotional yo-yo, and every time something happened, I'd go off the rails on it. And trusting God is so much better. And I can't promise her that her kids will go to school and not get COVID. I don't think they will, nobody can promise her that. But I can promise her that even if they do, God will take care of them, and he will take care of her. And that's the thing: this is gonna come to an end, I don't know when, but it will, and...

Ginger Stache: Thank you, Jesus.

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, some year, we'll be sitting and talking 'bout, "Boy, man, you remember 2020? That was a rough year".

Erin Cluley: No, I'll be trying to forget it actually.

Joyce Meyer: So, what about it Erin?

Erin Cluley: I think, I've had the same question. I have two little kids, and so, my kids are back in school, now. And so, my husband and I have had to have those same conversations. And I have come to the place where I just say, "I can't figure this out and I'm gonna have to be okay with it". I can't control, and I love control, I really am excellent at it.

Joyce Meyer: You really like control.

Erin Cluley: Like, my favorite word, my friends know it. But God has really shown me, and I just feel like he's spoken to my heart recently, "I love those kids more than you do".

Joyce Meyer: That's exactly right.

Erin Cluley: "So, don't you think that I'm gonna take care of them"? Whatever that looks like, and I was like, "Alright, okay, yeah, you can have them". So, I can't promise they won't get sick. I can't promise anything, but I know that he loves them, and I'm doing the best I know, I can do.

Joyce Meyer: And you know, our lives are not perfect, and we do go through things. And sometimes, you feel like you're going through something everyday. And I can't even imagine, when I look at our lives, okay? I can't even imagine what's going on in the lives of some of the people that are watching, right now. I mean, our lives are probably a piece of cake compared to what some people are going through. You know, we have a good support system. You know, we all work in ministry. Or, you know, there's so many great things about our lives, and no matter who you are or what you're going through, you have to look at what you do have, not just what you don't have.

Ginger Stache: Yeah.

Joyce Meyer: That's become really important to me, is you know, we can all look at what our husbands don't do, or what our friends don't do, or what we don't have, or what God doesn't do. But in the meantime, we forget what he does do. You know, it's a miracle just to go out and drive in traffic one day and make it home alive. We have a lot more miracles than what we realize.

Ginger Stache: Yeah, well, the question about the children leads us to another great question here, that I love. This is from Rosemary. She says, "I want to raise fearless children. So, how do I avoid passing on fears to our daughters"?

Erin Cluley: Oh, that's good.

Ginger Stache: It's a really good question.

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, I think that you do pick up a lot of what you're around, and I think you go one way or the other. Like, my mother let my dad abuse me because she was "Afraid". And she didn't apologize to me until like, 30 years after it all happened. And she said, "I was afraid that I couldn't take care of you and your brother. I didn't think that I could make it on my own". So, she was defeated by her own thinking and her fear. And my mother lived such a pitiful life because of fear. I mean, she never really had a life. Well, I kind of became almost the opposite, you know, and so, I was "Bless God," you know, "I'm gonna conquer everything". But a lot of it was kind of phony, I think. I was just, I was trying real hard to be brave but wasn't always as brave as I was acting like I was. And I believe that the answer to her question is to teach your children. To teach them just what we're talking about here. You're gonna feel fear, but that's an enemy spirit, God doesn't want you to be afraid. And so, when you have a child, you have a little piece of very moldable clay, and you can teach them the Word of God and they can become absolute giants.

Erin Cluley: We've had this happen this week. And it's actually, really cool that you say that. So, Caden is five, and so, we're teaching him to ride his bike without his training wheels. And I am not made to be a teacher for a reason. I just don't have the patience. But anyways, he was terrified. He was so scared that he was gonna crash and hurt himself, and just crying. And we were talking to him and I said, "You know what? Jesus is with you, and you can do it afraid". That's what I've been saying to him, "You can do it afraid". And so, we talked about it all week. Well, then yesterday, I was dealing with some fear, and so, I got kind of teary-eyed and Caden said, "What's wrong mommy"? And I said, "You know what? You know how you were really nervous to ride your bike? Mommy's feeling some of that, right now, too. But I'm gonna do it afraid just like you're gonna do it afraid". And so, I said, "Let's make a deal, I'll do it, if you will do it". And so, then he prayed for me. He prayed that my nerves would go away.

Ginger Stache: Aw, that's so sweet.

Erin Cluley: I was worried. I don't want my kids to see me afraid cuz I don't want them to think I'm weak and teach them, what she's asking. But you came to my mind, and I thought, "No, Joyce, said I'm going to deal with fear, but I can do it afraid. I need to instill that in my children".

Joyce Meyer: Now, don't tell 'em that they're not gonna feel fear, because they are. We're all gonna feel fear from time to time. But you can feel fear and not be afraid. You can go ahead and live your life and do what you believe God wants you to do.

Ginger Stache: I've come... No, go ahead.

Jai Williams: I was gonna share, real quick, it's just been really fun for me with my seventeen-year-old, just seeing her watch me in this season of me being terrified, you know? I've literally, been like very transparent with her. Like, I would just, you know, encourage any mom, out there, be transparent. But I think it's been fun, because even the other day, I was praying, and I never thought I'd be like my mom, that would like, scoot around the living room and pray, and you could hear her, and I'd be in the room laughing at her. But now...

Ginger Stache: Scooting around?

Jai Williams: I guess because, like on our hardwood floor, you can hear my feet kind of go like... She's like, "I heard you in there scooting and praying". And so, I didn't know she could hear me, honestly, but that was encouraging to me to know that she's watching me, she's hearing me. She knows that I'm afraid, but everyday, I wake up and I say, "I'm gonna take one more step," because no matter how big or small the step is, as long as I continue to move forward and make strides in the right direction, she's watching me and she'll know that she can conquer it. So, I would just like, I just encourage any mom out there that's, you know, worried about this. Just like the book said, "Do it afraid," doesn't matter how big or small the step is, as long as you keep moving forward. The kids are watching and they're seeing, you know, those generational, you know, bondages being broken, so...

Joyce Meyer: You know, I have a word of encouragement for you that I believe is from God. And I wouldn't say that if I didn't really feel that. But when you said, "I've been terrified," the thing that I just thought, I thought, "You have such a great future ahead of you. And you are beautiful, you're talented, you're gifted, you have a boatload full of people who love you. And I mean, there's nothing but good things ahead of you. So, you really don't need to be terrified because there's just nothing but good stuff out there". That's just what I see when you said that, I thought, "There's so many good things in your future. You don't need to be afraid of what's going to happen, you just need to let it happen. And take each day with God and let it be an adventure rather than a terror".

Jai Williams: I receive it.

Ginger Stache: Erin and I have been saying this for a long time, but she said it now, so...

Jai Williams: She said it with some authority. I receive it. I ain't scared. Look, I'm not scare, Lord, Jesus, I'm not scared no more, I'm not terrified. Actually, you know, one of the things you said, in that earlier sermon, I wrote down, "Expect". And like, that pivoted something for me, this week, even, you know? And just thinking about that word. And then, when you said it today, it just, expect, I'm expecting God to do exactly what you said. So, I receive that, and I just declare that over every woman that's out there, that's struggling with somebody...

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, I just wanna say, we want them to get this too because...

Jai Williams: Any woman that's out there that's going through any kind of like, if this pandemic has unveiled, 2020 has literally, been a year of clarity and taking off the veil, and if you're going through things in your marriage, and your family, and your home, I just wanna encourage you to let you know that, that word that Joyce spoke to me, I speak that over you, sister. We're coming out of this. Let's expect the great. God is for us and the best is yet to come. So, I receive it.

Joyce Meyer: All things work together for good to those who love God and want his will. Very simple. You love God, you want what he wants, and his promise is there, all things. That's your thing, my thing, the pandemic thing, the COVID thing, you know, I mean, the world is so messed up right now. And I wanna hear people talking again about the goodness of God, and you know, what God is doing for us and how much he loves us. And I refuse to get sour and negative. We need some positivity. And so, let's all be positive about the future.

Erin Cluley: I love what y'all are just saying cuz yesterday when I was praying, "Lord, what scriptures you wanna lead me to"? As I was studying for this. And he kept sending me to scriptures on love. And I said, "No, God, you didn't know, we're talking about fear".

Joyce Meyer: "You're mixed up, God".

Erin Cluley: "Let me tell you what we're talking about". And I just, in my heart kept hearing, "You need to study how much I love you," because just like you said a little while ago, if we know how much God loves us, what are we to be afraid of? Is he not gonna take care of us?

Joyce Meyer: "Perfect love casts out fear".

Erin Cluley: Yes, so, exactly. He loves you so much. He loves all these ladies, all those ladies in the zoom rooms over there, we see you. He loves you all so much. He has so much in store for you, that's all that matters.

Joyce Meyer: We say that, you know, God loves us like, I mean, we're talking, God! God! Who created everything, who holds everything together, every moment, he loves you. And he has you on, I mean, his thoughts are more toward us than the sands on the sea.

Ginger Stache: I love that, and there's definitely something God is doing here, for people who are a part of this night, about his love, because erin he gave me the same thing. Just asking, you know, for that scripture, that message, that encouragement and it's 1 John 4 beginning at verse 13, it says: "This is how we know that we live in him and he in us, he's given us his spirit, if anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God". So, if you acknowledge Christ, he is with you. "And so, we know and rely on the love that God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love, lives in God, and God in them. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out all fear".

Erin Cluley: You think he's trying to tell us something?

Ginger Stache: I think there's a message in that. I think there is, yeah. I was also thinking about how fear is just really sneaky, you know? It's kind of insidious. Some of the things that we're talking about with COVID, and our children, and our marriages, those are more obvious. But there are also a lot of things that fear sneaks into our life that we don't realize how it's impacting us. And so, I was looking at some of the results of fear in our life. It's crazy, it's things like: fatigue, feeling worthless, negativity, like you said. Pride, you know we're prideful because of fear, we don't want people to think badly about us. Panic, illness, physical illness, the list goes on and on. And fear is at the core of all that stuff that we deal with. Sometimes I feel like I'm not afraid, but I'm acting like an idiot so maybe I am afraid. You know, maybe that's where it's coming from.

Joyce Meyer: You know, that scripture that you read, in the Amplified Bible, that actually, was a key scripture for me in my healing. Because in the Amplified Bible, it says that we are to be, "Conscious and aware of the love that God has for us". What you read says, "We know the love that he has for us". But I love that amplification, "To be conscious and aware," and what God showed me is, "I'm showing my love to you all the time, but you're just not seeing it". And so, I actually, have done for a number of years, and I don't write down everything, but it's like, I catch God loving me.

Erin Cluley: I love it.

Joyce Meyer: You know, it's like, I mean, it's like, "Oh, that was you".

Erin Cluley: He did it just for you.

Joyce Meyer: Yeah, just like, even like, the word of encouragement that I gave you. Now, you know, I don't go around telling people all the time, "I got a word from God for you". So, when I say that, I mean that. Okay, that was not just me telling you something, that was God loving you. And see, we need to realize that, that God is showing his love to us all the time, and if we will be conscious and aware of it, you can play my little game with me, "Oh, I caught you, God. That's you, loving me again". Or like I say, sometimes that's God giving you a little wink, like, "I got you covered," you know? And so, whether, it's a little thing, like somebody giving you a nice, pretty pair of pink, fuzzy house shoes or whether it's a great, big, huge thing. You know, God is showing his love for us all the time and if people will begin to see it, it's gonna help 'em so much. It helped me so much to start watching for the love of God.

Ginger Stache: What a great way to fight back against fear. Because if you're just wrapped in that love, kinda like a warm cozy blanket, you know, then fear can't really get through in the same way that it would otherwise. And it'll sneak in now and then, but you just wrap back up in that blanket, and that love casts out the fear again. That's wonderful.

Erin Cluley: When you feel that draft, you can wrap back up in that. That's nice.

Joyce Meyer: You know, all the fears that people feel, I mean, we understand that they're real to them.

Erin Cluley: Absolutely.

Joyce Meyer: And sometimes, people just, they feel so frozen in fear that they feel like they just absolutely cannot move. And I understand that it's difficult, and I'm talking here, from 45 years of experience, and so, some of it's easier for me. So, I really don't want people to think we don't get where they're at because we do. But you're gonna get to where you need to be the same way that we did, and that's by applying the word, and just start doing that one thing. Just start watching for God's love, and every time you think you catch him loving you, write it down. And you'll be amazed after a couple of weeks go by, the things that God, honestly, we just become, I hate to say this, but we get used to God.

Ginger Stache: That's true.

Jai Williams: It's easy to get immune to and forget the goodness of God.

Joyce Meyer: Too familiar.

Jai Williams: Yeah, just too familiar with it. And that's one thing, I'm starting to write more, and you know, like, walking through this season, just write more. And I think that's another thing I can add to it, like, you know, how have I caught God loving me today. And I think just reflecting on that, are just good reminders. And those are, cuz I'm one of those type of people that are like, how do i, then how do I feel it? You know, like, God's love is not a fuzzy blanket, so what do I do when my heart's palpitating, you know? So, I like those practical steps too. So, like, what you, with catching God, and jotting that down and just reflecting...

Joyce Meyer: That's gonna help people, I really believe. I think that'll be, it's almost like a fun game to play. And it's kinda like catching the devil at his evil work and saying, "Eh, wait a minute. I caught you. You're not gonna put that over on me because I know it's you". And I mean, God is with us all the time. There's never a moment he's not. And he just loves everybody so much. We just need to receive it.

Ginger Stache: It's so good. Thank you all. I feel like we should have, we're not gonna do it, but I feel like we should have another little dance party because we've got some really good stuff out here to fight fear.

Erin Cluley: Micro dancing.

Ginger Stache: Micro dancing. And we hope that all of you, if you've enjoyed what we do here, join our Bible study. We need you to be friends, as we all talk through what God's word says about our lives. So, please subscribe to, "Joyce's Talk It Out," podcast, wherever you find your podcasts. And you can get it to listen to, or you can get it to watch, the video podcast. And also, sign up for our email friends' list because that will tell you when the podcasts are coming up, and you won't miss a thing, you'll get some fun behind-the-scenes stuff. Joyce, thank you. Erin, Jai, appreciate it so much.

Joyce Meyer: Thank you.

Ginger Stache: Yeah.
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