Sid Roth - Radical Transformation from Outlaw Biker to Jesus Lover with Dick Reuben
Sid Roth:Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter. I'm here with Dick Reuben. Now he doesn't look like one right now, but there was a time, Dick, when if I crossed you, what would have happened to me?
Dick Reuben:I was in an enforcer in a major outlaw motorcycle gang in the East Coast of America and we would break heads, sling chains, do all kinds of those situations of being in situations like that where people would get hurt.
Sid Roth:Did you feel bad for the people when you were, as an enforcer, did you have a heart for what you were doing? Did you realize what you were doing?
Dick Reuben:I guess, Sid, I guess, you know, we call ourselves the one-percenters and we're drop outs from society. You know, we're non-conformists, but we conform in our non-conformity.
Sid Roth:Of course.
Dick Reuben:You know, we're not establishment. At least, that was the way it was and you couldn't trust anyone. We came up in the generation of the Vietnam era where, you know, you don't trust anybody over 30 and whatever. So one guy watches your back and you become friends, but you're never close to anyone. You're kind of a loner even though you're in the midst of other people that think like you.
Sid Roth:Were you into drugs, alcohol?
Dick Reuben:Sure. Drugs, prostitution, manufacturing of drugs, pornography, these kinds of things, everything that goes along with that environment. And one day on March 1, 1971, I was totally set free.
Sid Roth:How? Tell me about that.
Dick Reuben:Well it began about two years before that when a fellow name John Gimenez, who was a pastor of Rock Church in Virginia Beach, Virginia, and John had been used to form three Washington for Jesus, a very well known man. He came out of the drug scene in Spanish Harlem. He heard about me and for some reason came to the streets and told me about Jesus. The thing that he told me was he didn't try to preach a message to me. He said Jesus loved me just like I was. I said, he can't love me like I am because, I mean, I know I'm wrong. I know I'm not lovable. And so he told me that Jesus loved me just like I was. And for two years, I heard that voice in my spirit, Jesus loved me just like I was.
Sid Roth:Did you give him any satisfaction when he said that? Did you say, I'm a little bit interested?
Dick Reuben:No. The satisfaction I gave him was the cursing as I sent him on his way because I had told people that I was going to annihilate this guy. I didn't like Puerto Ricans, I didn't like blacks, I didn't like anybody including myself. And so he says to this date he feared me because I was over 300 pounds, the long hair, the bandana, the earrings, the whole thing. And so he knew he couldn't reach me, I guess with the gospel But he just dropped that little thing in my spirit that Jesus loved me just like I was. And for two years I went through agony and misery because I kept hearing this voice, in the middle of the night I would wake up, Jesus loves you just like you are. And about a year before I came to faith in the Messiah, an interesting thing happened to me on the way home. I was coming home one night and I lived in the drug world, but that night my head was pretty clear. And out of the back seat of this car that I'm driving I hear this voice saying, "I've called you to preach my word, son".
Sid Roth:That must have been a shock.
Dick Reuben:Well I thought I was tripping out. I went about another hundred yards or so down the road, I heard the voice again. I stopped the car, got out, looked in the back seat of the car. No one was there. And not long after that, March 1, 1971, you know, I accepted Jesus as the Messiah. And so that's kind of how I came to know Jesus. It was through a fellow name Rex Humbard and he had a television show. And I used to make fun of this guy. He was Mr. Clean, Mr. Establishment, you know. So I was going to go to harass him at that meeting that night. No one knew that I was going to that meeting. I went there, I sat up in the balcony as high as I could get into the balcony, as far away that I can get from this religious fanatic. But he's Mr. Clean and I'm just going to look at him and poke fun, and do all the things, you know, that the world wants to do to humiliate God's people. And then came time for the altar call. I listened to the message and the message was about you can't run your life, like you can't drive a car looking in the rearview mirror, you can't run your life doing the same thing, looking behind. And it impacted me. Now I'm sitting there. He gives this altar call. I don't know what an altar call is from nothing. Okay. And all of a sudden I see these people running up to the front. I'm sitting as high in the balcony of the old Center Theater there in Norfolk as I can get and after everyone was up there, I'm sitting there and I'm shaking. I'm sweating profusely and my heart feels like it's pounding out of my chest. He reaches his finger up and says, "You, up there in the balcony". I don't know if he said that to me. There were others around me. But I felt it personally. He reached up and his finger must have been a hundred yards long, and he said, "You," and it went right to the end of my nose. And I knew I had to make a decision. And in that violent world of the outlaw biker you don't know when you're going to end things, when things are going to wind up, you know, bad for you because you always had people that are wanting to kill you or to do harm to you, or whatever. I knew then that if I didn't make Jesus the Lord of my life that I would not make it very much longer. All my friends that I rode with were either dead or in prison. And that's the only way you can get out of that environment. But I responded to the altar call. Now this is the phenomenal, the supernatural thing about this altar call. I was the last one. He said, "Sir, I see you moving. I'll wait for you". I had to walk all the way down. It took me five minutes to get to the lower platform. I walked up behind because people had filled up the aisle. I walked as the last one in the aisle. I stood there. He said, "Pray a prayer". I prayed a simple prayer. When I did a hand grabbed a hold of my hand. I'm standing. I don't know anybody from nothing. A hand grabbed a hold of my hand and I looked down. It's my mama. And my mama had gotten saved five years before that at a Baptist meeting. And she said, "Son, welcome into the Kingdom". She never knew where I would be. Out of all the thousands of people there that night I stopped right beside her and she says, "Son, look". And there was four or five older ladies there. She said, "They've been interceding for you for the last five years to come to the Kingdom".
Sid Roth:So she didn't even know you would be there.
Dick Reuben:She didn't, she had no idea I would be there, that I would be at a religious meeting. And I happened to be right where she could hear to me pray that sinners play and make Jesus Lord of my life. She had been saved five years prior.
Sid Roth:You know, those older women that had been praying for those five years saw such a miracle. Guess what happened to his drugs, his alcohol, his women, his outlaw motorcycle gang? Instantly, instantly, I mean that is a miracle. Be right back to find out how God is using him to pray for people and the greatest miracles are happening, lives being changed, people being healed of medically impossible situations. We'll be right back after this.
Sid Roth:Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dick Reuben. And it's hard to believe looking at him today that this man was an enforcer for an outlaw motorcycle gang, drugs, alcohol, sex, the whole nine yards, especially the brutality, and instantly set free by a power greater than him. Now Dick, something that really intrigues me has to do with the fact that you developed a great love almost out of the blue, but reading the Bible, for the Jewish people, you're not Jewish, and for the Nation of Israel, and anything to do with Jewish people. I remember I knew you back then and you had such this hunger. And one day you called your mother.
Dick Reuben:My mother called me from Texas.
Sid Roth:And what did she say?
Dick Reuben:I asked her, I said, "Mom, is there any person that's in our family that's ever been Jewish or intermarriage or anything"?
Sid Roth:But why would you even ask that?
Dick Reuben:I have no idea to this day, Sid. I mean, I do things that I don't have any explanations for. I do this all the time. But there was something in my spirit. Because what had happened is that right after I became a believer, I got involved with the Rock Church in Virginia Beach and of course I began to be grounded and rooted in the Word. And the more that I read the Word, this thing about Jewishness keeps jumping out of this gentile Bible that I have, you know. And I can't escape it, even the fact that even this Jesus guy, he's Jewish. I don't any Jesus for nothing. And so I asked my mom when she called me, I said, "Is there any Jewish blood in our family"? And the phone, totally dead silence, and that's unusual for my mom. She's always like a Yiddish lady, she always has something to say. And so she was very quiet. And I said, "What's wrong, mom"? She said, "Why do you ask that question, son"? And I said, "Well mom, I just want to know, is there anyone in our family that has ever been Jewish or whatever"? She says, "I am, son".
Sid Roth:Well if she's Jewish that makes you Jewish.
Dick Reuben:Well that's the way that the rabbinic law reads. You know, I have the right to aliyah to return to the Nation of Israel. And so it destroyed my whole concept of what Christianity was in the sense that, you know, you think of Christianity, you think of the gentile aspect of it. You never sense the Jewishness, and that's what I was sensing in the scriptures was the Jewishness. Now and I had felt the Spirit speak to me, oh probably five or maybe eight or ten months before this. I said, "Lord,", I said, "I wish I had been born of the seed of Abraham". And he said, "But you are of the seed of Abraham". And I said, "Yeah, I know". I said, "The Bible says I'm adopted seed and whatever". He said, "No, you're the seed of Abraham". And thinking back, that's why I asked my mom that was because of what had been then put in my spirit some months before I ever asked my mother about that.
Sid Roth:Now you have a saying, if you will, and it goes something like this: When the foundation is right the Glory comes down.
Dick Reuben:When the pattern is right.
Sid Roth:When the pattern is right.
Dick Reuben:When the pattern is right the Glory comes. This is what I began to discover in God's Word, because no one was teaching it. I had to, it was like I was going through the Bible by totally being led by the Holy Spirit. And I began to see things there that there was a pattern to all things. And even in the secular world and in the humanistic world there's a pattern to all things. I don't care what it is, there's a pattern to everything. And so there is pattern to life. We're finding this out with the DNA and whatever now we're finding it. There's a pattern to everything and things are duplicated by pattern. And so I began to study the life of Moses, Moshe, the prophet Moses. And what I began to discover was that Jesus made the statement, Yeshua makes the statement, he says, "If you don't believe the writings of Moses, you'll never believe what I have to say". Now he says that in the Brit Hadashah, in the New Covenant," under Yochanan, John, John's writing. And what did Moses write about, this guy Yeshua, or Jesus? And so I began to look at the life of Moses. The only thing that Moses wrote about was the fact he wrote about the tabernacle, the priesthood, it's furnishings, the sacrificial system, the feast days.
Sid Roth:Which most people find pretty boring that call themselves Christians today.
Dick Reuben:Well so are the begats. When you open up the New Testament the begats are very boring, but they aren't boring when you understand that the begats are there to prove the genealogy of Jesus. That's why the begats are there. And so everything has a purpose. There's nothing boring, I found out a long time ago there's nothing boring in God's Word. If you find something boring in God's Word it's boring because you don't understand what it's trying to convey. So there, that's where boredom comes from. And so as I began to this life of Moses and all that the whole the Nation of Israel did, then I stumbled across the scripture in First Corinthians, Chapter 10, where Paul deals with Abraham. He says, "Brethren, I will not have you be ignorant". And it goes through all the things that happened to the Nation of Israel in the 40-year wilderness experience. And he says, he concludes it in Verse 11. He said, "For all of this has happened as examples to us for our admonition upon who, instruction upon who the ends of the world will come". The church is going to come, this is not a prophetic word. I'm not a prophet in this sense. I'm just reading the Word. We're going to have to come back to the Jewish roots that God had given to the patterning for his Holy Scripture. When the pattern is right the Glory will fall.
Sid Roth:You know what I find fascinating is that when Dick Reuben began teaching this in a sleepy little southern town, Pensacola, Florida, at a church called Brownsville, the pastor of that church says that when he gave this foundational teaching of the pattern, the Jewish pattern, and when the church got the pattern right, one of the greatest outpourings of the Spirit of the Living God occurred in this church in modern day history. We'll find out about it when we come back. Be right back after this.
Sid Roth:Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter and I'm having so much fun with Dick Reuben. But let's find out from Janie in the control room who our guest is next week. Janie?
Janie:Sid, we'll be speaking to man by the name of Kris Vallotton and he had a nervous breakdown at the age of 22. And he would shake all day. At night, he would be sweating all night, and he was just so filled with fear. He actually saw demons. I mean, demons would rearrange things in his house. But then he was supernaturally set free and he didn't have mental illness and he wasn't mentally ill anymore, and he, this man, he went from being so fearful and now he's fearless. I mean, he's had crazy people trying to kill him and he has no fear.
Sid Roth:Well that's my kind of man. No fear. How would you like to have no fear? Tune in next week. Dick Reuben, when you give this teaching on the pattern from the Jewish scriptures and you gave it at a church called Brownsville in Pensacola, Florida, in 1993. And you prophesied there would be a great move of God there before it happened. And in '95, Father's Day, there was a tremendous explosion of God's Spirit, and what has history shown on this church?
Dick Reuben:Well as far as the history of the revival, the history of the revival of course began on June 18, 1995, and is continuing to this day. I think, I don't think, in my opinion that it's really revival as to what we're about ready to see. It's been a wonderful outpouring. It's probably been one of the most, at least one of the greatest manifestations of God in America, probably even surpassing because we have the media exposure now, probably even surpassing things that were done by Whitfield and Wesley, and these kind of things.
Sid Roth:Well you intrigue me. You said it's nothing compared to what's about ready to happen. And let me tell you, what was going on there and is going on there, it is spectacular. I mean, millions of people have been in this tiny little church and had their lives transformed, and miracles are taking place. And Dick Reuben, you just said it is nothing compared to what's going to happen. What is going to happen?
Dick Reuben:I believe that there's going to be four levels to this revival. I was with a brother here or someone that's a friend of mine, Jerry Savelle, not long ago. Maybe a couple of years ago. And the Lord revealed to me there would be four levels of this revival and he led me to Ezekiel 47, where it says that there was water coming from the thrones to the ankles and to then to the knees, and to the loins, and water so deep you would have to swim. And the Lord began to show me the stages of this revival. It began with Rodney Howard-Browne. He brought a trickle of anointing to a dry and dead land, and then it moved to Toronto, and there it became more of a flow of the stream of the anointing. Then it moved to Brownsville and there it became the river of God. But there's something that Habakkuk said, "The Glory of God and the knowledge of the Glory of God shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea". It's going to be a flood stage of revival and the four points of the, of what Ezekiel said to the ankles, to the knees, to the loins, and then water so deep that you have to swim. We're about ready to have this next wave of revival. There's a great preparation going on now. And I believe that multiple, millions of people will be swept into the Kingdom just before the Messiah sounds the great shofar.
Sid Roth:Now you've seen something recently that's really a foretaste of this, in Norway. What did you see?
Dick Reuben:Well the Lord took me out of a car. It was in September of 1983 and I was going out of my car, literally out of my car for probably 20 to 25 minutes. And one of the things that was shown to me is, I believe now, I didn't understand it then, but I believe it now to be a last days move of God where multiple people were coming out of wheelchairs, they were being healed, they were being set free, they were being filled with the Holy Ghost. They were receiving salvation and no man was laying hands on them. Now I saw that in September of 1983. And then I was just in Norway. We just came back from Norway a few weeks ago. And the Lord said, one night, just worship me. And we began to worship, just enter into a deep realm of worship. And the Lord said, "Now have the people that are sick in their body, come forward," and we did. And he said, "Have them stand there and do nothing but worship me, and don't lay hands on them, don't pray for them, don't do anything. Just have them worship". And as they were beginning to worship, people with infirmities, I mean, talking about twisted legs and whatever, ankles and whatever, having had infirmities to 18, 20, 22, 24 years instantly healed. Then we had them as they were being healed in that worship they would come up to the platform and begin to testify what had happened to them in that worship. And I believe, Sid, that here again, we go back to the patterns. The last piece of furniture that Moses wrote about in the holy place, which I believe is related to the church, is the altar of incense. And the last great move of God will have also involved in that, in this great worship. Because we've got to come back into this love affair with Jesus and worship is our love affair with Jesus, and then the manifestation of the anointing comes and the healings come. And like I say, we just experienced this in Norway. I've never experienced anything like it in my life.
Sid Roth:Speaking of healings, you've prayed for people that are deaf. Tell me about that.
Dick Reuben:There was a young man who had come to revival one night at Brownsville. You were there many times. And so because we were in the leadership, we had to escape, so to speak, out the back before you were mobbed by everyone, this young man caught me just before I got to my car. And he couldn't speak very well and he had a speech impediment, and he said to the effect, "Brother Reuben, the Lord said that I would come to Brownsville and I'd be healed. I've got to go. There's my bus over there". And I mean, he said this and I'm trying to understand what he's saying, trying to get in my car and whatever. And he said, "I'm deaf. I can't hear. I'm deaf". And he had been taught how to speak by reading lips and how to speak. But he had very slurred speech. And I haven't any great faith. I've tired. I've been there 'til, this is 1:00 in the morning. I come out and I simply said, "Spirit of deafness," and I stuck my finger in his ears and said, "Spirit of deafness, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth come out of this man now"! Well you know how I do "now". Okay, that scares hell itself.
Sid Roth:You're pretty loud.
Dick Reuben:I'm pretty loud. And I snap my fingers a couple of times on either side of him, and I notice he had his head down and he began to cry. And he's just a young man, maybe he's, maybe if I had to guess, maybe 17, 16, 17, maybe 18 years old. And I said, "What's the matter, son? Can you hear"? He said, "Yeah, I hear my voice. I hear". And he cried. And two weeks later, his aunt calls to give the report. Now I don't know where he's from. I don't know to this day, my wife took the report. And they were putting him into speech therapy then. And the first thing he said to his mother when he got off the bus, he said, "Mama, I can hear". He said, "Has my voice always sounded like this"? And so, you know, I don't have great faith. I didn't have great faith that night. You know, we pray and we pray believing. To me, it was just a normal prayer, but something supernatural happened to that young man. I don't understand it to this day. I've tried to go back with faith, Lord, what did I do, what did I say? Was there anything special I did? But and I had a man there one night also there in Brownsville. He comes up with a long cane, with a red tip, white cane with a red tip on it.
Sid Roth:Blind.
Dick Reuben:And all of a sudden I'm panicking, oh God, they brought the blind to me. I'm going to pray for him and nothing is going to happen. I prayed for this guy. He's thrown down to the carpet. Well you were in Brownsville and you know that's kind of a normal thing. So I walk around the back portion of where the sanctuary was, walked down the other aisle and I just happened to look over and there's this man sitting on the floor, and he's looking all around. And I said, wait a minute, what's a blind man doing looking around? So I sent Scott Brown who works for us and he was one of my people that walked with me on the floor. He walked around and he found out the man's eyes came open instantly like that. I didn't have great faith. I tried to remember, what did I say, how did I do. Lord, I can't figure it out.
Sid Roth:I have something even more important than that to ask you. When you were an enforcer in an outlaw motorcycle gang you made the statement that you hated blacks, Puerto Ricans, I guess any minority. What about now? What do you think when you see a black man or a Puerto Rican?
Dick Reuben:I don't see a black man. I see a soul that's precious to God and it's compassion that has happened to me in revival. I don't know what happened. I don't know when it happened, but I was in that environment for so long that my compassion is for the lost.
Sid Roth:There's tears in your eyes right now. Why?
Dick Reuben:Because I love people. The greatest miracle, everybody is running after these signs and wonders, and miracles. When I tell the people, I say, the greatest sign and wonder, and miracle is to see a sinner on his way to Hell get on his knees, pray a prayer, now he's a saint on his way to Heaven. If that's not the greatest miracle you can die and go to Hell following prophesies and signs, and wonders, but you'll never go to Heaven without knowing Jesus.
Sid Roth:Did you hear that? You will never go to Heaven unless you know Jesus, not you know religion, not you know church, but you know Jesus for yourself. Think for yourself. Experience him for yourself. It's your life. There is a destiny and a purpose for your life. What are you going to do about it right now? Run? Are you going to know there's no other name given unto men in which we must be saved, the name of Jesus. This is a supernatural. He just prophesied, Dick did, that this is Divine appointment. Repeat this prayer, urgent, right now, out loud: Dear God, say it with me now, Dear God, I'm a sinner. Please forgive me. With your help I turn from my sins. I believe that Jesus died in my place and by his blood I am forgiven. And now that I'm forgiven I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord. Oh Lord Jesus, come inside of me. And Dick, if you will begin to praise God and I'm going to begin to worship and people are going to be healed right now. Praise you, Jesus. We worship you, Almighty God. We praise the holy name of Jesus. Bless the name of Jesus. Oh God, we worship you, we worship you, oh God. You alone are worthy. You alone are Lord. You alone are king. We praise you, we praise you, oh Jewish Messiah, King of the Jews, Yeshua HaMashiach Tsidkenu. Jesus the Messiah, our righteousness, we bless you oh God. We bless you. You're getting all the praise. You're getting all the glory from what's going to happen right now.