Sid Roth - Leviathan Unmasked with Lance Wallnau
Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome, welcome to my world, where it's naturally supernatural! In my entire life, I have never seen America and actually the rest of the countries of the world so divided! We're divided politically, racially, economically every area you can think of! But not just divided to the point of anger, and violence, and even murder! I've never seen this before! My guest says "It's not flesh and blood". You guys are looking at the natural. My guest says it's an ancient demonic spirit that he knows how to stop it in its tracks! Anyone interested in finding out?
Sid Roth: You know about 13 years ago, Lance and I developed a friendship, and you and your wife came to Israel with me because I was going to speak at a new age festival. We didn't know what to expect, but it was a horror story: that's the only way I can describe it. It had rained the day before, and we were walk slushing through the mud, a and other people there with drugs, and looking the way they normally look at these new age festivals. And so I start my lecture, and we bumped into a spirit an ancient spirit and both of us were not aware of it until after it surfaced. Lance, what was your recollection of that?
Lance Wallnau: I mean, first it was like Woodstock: that was what was unusual about it.
Sid Roth: Yeah!
Lance Wallnau: Who expects Woodstock in Israel! So, and I'm going down there with you, and I figure okay, we're going to have a like a nice Christian tent meeting. We get into this tent, and it was the most bizarre and enlightening experience of my life because I could never understand when Paul would preach and there were these riots breaking out! In any church, the ushers grab somebody before anything gets out of - I'd never been in a riot! You created a riot. You start talking, and they got the nude swimmers in the back in the foreground in the ocean, we've got people with like mascara on, and a and the with voodoo hats on it was bizarre! Canes walking around doing curses on them. And then we got people manifesting, shouting at Sid, right in the middle of his message, and they're cursing at him! Dropping these obscene words! And I'm standing there in shock: I'm thinking, "I didn't expect this at a meeting"! And the yelling's going on, and Sid is engaging this person who's yelling back at him. I said, "This is total chaos"! And in the middle of it, one guy who's clearly not a Christian, a Jewish guy who's on laying down on a towel watching all this, and he sits up and he goes, "Wait, a second! Hey! I don't know what all you guys are yelling about, but my back just got healed". And Sid and Sid goes Sid goes "What? In the middle of all this, your back got healed? Is anybody else getting touched by God"? And this is stupefying, the people yelling at you because now they're being interrupted by a supernatural act, and they don't know what to say! They were they were cussing at you that worked: now this guy's inter other people are going, "Hey! My neck"!, and he's, "Well check it out"!, whatever was wrong.
Sid Roth: But Lance, what you did not know, and what I did not know, I left and I thought, "I failed you, God, miserably"! That is, I mean I saw the healing, a and a few people raised their hands a bunch of these were Jewish people and received the Lord but I just figured what a mess: I'm sorry I even got involved. I get back to the states, and I find out one young man got saved, who today is the leading evangelist Messianic Jewish evangelist in Israel!
Lance Wallnau: Wow!
Sid Roth: You don't know what God is doing! Well Lance, you don't know what God's doing in your life! I mean out of nowhere, usa today has has an article. They that they say you were one of the few people that prophesied Donald Trump would win! You even went beyond that: you talked about what would occur. He'd be like Cyrus, he would he would do some things for America that like no one else could possibly do! He had a bestselling book before he won, saying he was going to win how could you be so sure he was going to win?
Lance Wallnau: Well that's... I think that ignorance is bliss. I was so focused on the battle for America and there was such an urgency in me for the outcome of this thing, that and I had people come up there and say, "Lance, why would you destroy your whole ministry credibility "
Sid Roth: Yeah!
Lance Wallnau: "On a political prediction? People can go down". And I said, "Look, it's not a political prediction: I'm just saying what I heard God say! Isaiah 45 will be the 45th president. I believe that this has to happen in America, and I think the church has a choice". And you know most people don't know this, but the victory that he had, in the electoral college, was based on 0.008% of the total votes, and that means 0.008% of the total votes showed up in 5 swing states that gave him the electoral college. It looked as though he had the electoral college sweep with 300 votes, but the reality is, it was the Christian turnout at the last minute that produced the 0.008 in 5 swing states. In other words, God did this by a razor-thin margin, and a remnant of believers really determined the future for the United States. And it gives me just goosebumps to realize that it always comes down, for us...
Sid Roth: A remnant.
Lance Wallnau: To "The remnant". It's a remnant that'll make a difference in America and the world.
Sid Roth: Lance, I have to ask you a personal question: you're so involved in the political arena today: has this been a passion for many years?
Lance Wallnau: Not at all! I absolutely hate politics, and I was so ignorant...
Sid Roth: I don't blame ya!
Lance Wallnau: I don't, I tell ya, I'm so ignorant in politics, I had a door open up in Washington to go through the cedar scholarship years ago, which works with all these ambassadors, and I wanted to go down and do global evangelism! And at dinner, I'm meeting with a major senator's wife. And so and I was saying, "You know who would be a good person to run with your husband on a ticket"?, and I suggested somebody who was from the other party. And it was like, it was stupid, everybody stared at me, and I said, "You know what? I don't know what I'm talking about": I had no political bearings whatsoever I'm a revivalist! And my... I want to talk about revival! I don’t want to talk about politics!
Sid Roth: Then you find yourself in Trump Towers, with president Trump...
Lance Wallnau: Oy vey!
Sid Roth: A and you're saying, "God! How did I get here"?, and he spoke to you!
Lance Wallnau: That was ridiculous. I mean, I'm on my second trip there, and both times I felt uncomfortable! But the second trip, I was brought imagine this I was brought in by some of the African American leaders who wanted to deal with building better race relationships with Donald Trump! And and and when, I'm up there and you know the second visit and everybody's yelling. There's all this activity, and I'm saying, "I'm not I don't want to be in politics, I don't want to be in race issues: I just want to preach the Bible"! And that was when the Lord said to me, "I'm only answering your prayers"! And it was just like a clear thought because I thought "I'm off track", and I said, "Lord, when did I ever pray that I wanted to get involved with presidential politics or complicated race relations"? And the Lord said, "Every time you pray in tongues, you tell me you want to get involved with healing the nations' problems, and I'm putting you where you can do it". At that moment I thought, "My gosh"! Like you, I'm a passionate believer in praying in the spirit, but I thought I was praying something else! I thought I was praying for financial support! [laughing] who knows what I was thinking of! I was praying my way into Trump Towers!
Sid Roth: You were praying God's kingdom "Be on earth"...
Lance Wallnau: "As it is in heaven".
Sid Roth: "As it is in heaven":
Lance Wallnau: And...
Sid Roth: That's what you prayed.
Lance Wallnau: And after that, every time I pray in tongues, and I think I have no idea what I'm setting myself up for, but it's the plan of God.
Sid Roth: Okay. Now, we have a phenomenon that everyone's talking аbout: it's called "Fake news". You know what's behind that phenomenon.
Lance Wallnau: Yeah.
Sid Roth: Clue us in.
Lance Wallnau: Yeah. So I'm watching the fake news. Now I know there's a spiritual battle going on with Trump.
Sid Roth: Of course.
Lance Wallnau: I mean it is clearly a spiritual battle, the reason I know that it's because the manifestation. I mean you do the "It's supernatural"! Show: if there is in your synagogue, everything is normal, and Jesus comes in, and suddenly somebody starts screaming and yelling and cussing, you know the problem isn't the new preacher: the problem is that there is an anointing on what's happening, and it's driving to the surface something that's hidden.
Sid Roth: It is like what happened at the new age festival.
Lance Wallnau: Precisely! It was the chaos that was going on because of the anointing! And you and I are looking and thinking that something's wrong: it was actually an evidence that God's power was visiting.
Sid Roth: But he you have identified there is an ancient spirit behind this. Tell me about that spirit.
Lance Wallnau: Yes, because I'm saying these manifestations in the nation the race riots, this riots, the that, the Berkeley these are manifestations of demons. This is demons stirring up flesh. And to... And why are people so passionately and ideologically toxic over this? So here's how the spirit works: it is a world ruling class spirit. There are "Spiritual principalities, powers, and rulers of the darkness of this world": this is a world ruler. It is the "Prince" behind mind control: so when you're in like propaganda stuff like nazi Germany, or in communists now will, this spirit works through mind control on a mass level, and it works in order to divide people against people. So Satan knows that if he can create poor against rich, male against female, young against old, black against white, heterosexual homosexual, the more division he can create, the more power he can consolidate. This spirit is an expert at serving Lucifer, in sowing division to divide people, to create new power structures.
Sid Roth: And by the way, it's not just politics: it's, it hits you right in your home, right in your church, right in your children's school! It doesn't discriminate: it hits everyone! Lance, the word "Leviathan" means "Twisting serpent", like a crocodile, or an alligator.
Lance Wallnau: Right.
Sid Roth: Tell me why.
Lance Wallnau: Well it's referred to in job, as a creature of the Nile, so...
Sid Roth: Hm.
Lance Wallnau: We really do know it's talking about the species. And the way that it operates is 40% of the crocodile is teeth, so that tells you that this spirit mostly is in the mouth: it's mostly a communicating spirit.
Sid Roth: Big mouth.
Lance Wallnau: A big mouth yeah!
Lance Wallnau: And, its teeth! Like, a crocodile... What a crocodile fastens on you know it doesn't have the ability to move its jaw, so what it does, and you see these on like national geographic: you'll see the spinning, like in the...
Sid Roth: Yeah!
Lance Wallnau: Meanwhile in the Nile, this thing is spinning. This poor water Buffalo's getting, you know, tormented. What they do is they'll the two of them at a time will go up and sneak up. Here's the key: they're undetected. Then they suddenly come up, grab ahold of a limb, some vulnerable point, and they do what's called the death spiral. They sink their teeth in, and they spin, and use their body weight to tear the limb off: and by dismembering, they can destroy. If that isn't working, they spin and pull you under into their realm, and cut off the oxygen. And I'm looking at that and saying, "5 times in the Bible the spirit's referred to as 'Leviathan', and it's in the water. And Lord, what is it that you’re saying about the operation of this"?, and here's the pretty clear truth: David said, as a king, "All day long do my enemies twist my words: they are my enemies without a cause".
Sid Roth: Mh.
Lance Wallnau: Meaning David had political adversaries, who would seize on anything he said in order to distort the meaning of it, to divide his administration.
Sid Roth: You know what? We have all seen that happen in our life. I won't even mention the names, but two names that are household words in Christendom I was at a planning meeting with them. And I s I made a STA of I spoke for a little bit: I sat down, and one of these two got up and said, "I'll take what anyone says, but I cannot take what you just said". And I'm thinking, "What did I say? These are national leaders"! And they said, "You cannot say it is wrong to evangelize Jewish people"!, and I thought, "That's the last thing I'd ever say"! And a and a woman sitting next to me s that I didn't even know stands up and said, "He didn't say that"! That was Leviathan!
Lance Wallnau: Exactly.
Sid Roth: Makes no sense whatsoever.
Lance Wallnau: Exactly. Now imagine if he hadn't spoken it: he could have walked out of there...
Sid Roth: And thought it.
Lance Wallnau: And thought it, and said to other people...
Sid Roth: And gossip.
Lance Wallnau: In a closed room, "I heard what Sid Roth said. Would you believe ": they'd be going "He said what"? Now the division starts: now the dismembering starts, and that's how that spirit works. When this thing works, what I've noticed is that spirit it's called the "King over the children of pride" in job, which means that when you're under that influence, you'll notice that people that are actually torqued out by this spirit are not in a teachable moment. If you try to correct them, it's difficult to win the argument, which is why you're approach in dealing with this spirit has to be w the wisdom. That's why we that's why we do training in the in the material that we've got, and how to deal with it. Because there's 3 levels, of strongholds in politics, in ideology, in religion from Islam, Christianity, 3 levels of strongholds. And this, by the way, isn't Pentecostal teaching: this is the 3 levels of strongholds we work within corporations when we're changing a corporate culture. The first level is opinion: people just have opinions because they pick it up like viruses. They just pick it up on social media and friends. The second level is belief. The third level is, conviction. The hardest one to beat is the conviction level. What this spirit does, when it gets ahold of you, is it moves you almost supernaturally into angry conviction: and it's done people get become radically convinced they're right.
Sid Roth: Isn't this what we're seeing in the v in the "Fake news"?
Lance Wallnau: That's what I'm saying: that's what I'm saying. It's it goes it's not even an opinion: it's a conviction, and people are certain they're right. But pride makes you unteachable, so it's like how do you win the argument with that? So the spirit is doing a break-up job on America. It does it on marriages, it does it, on businesses and churches.
Sid Roth: Okay. We recognize this spirit. We've seen it operate in our lives, in our families, in our nation. Enough is enough! Let's find how to how to get rid of it. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Lance, practically tell me, how does this play out in a family in America, or in Paris, France, or wherever you're watching?
Lance Wallnau: It's it's easy to do detect once you see it. So like the creature in the nile, you could see those crocodiles, that they're floating there, their eyes are protruding.
Sid Roth: Yeah.
Lance Wallnau: And it's like the moment you catch it, it goes back underground. If you hit a moment when you are flooded, Sid, with toxic thoughts that produce rage, anger, hatred, and a sense of violence toward someone or something or an idea, you can know that's not coming from heaven.
Sid Roth: Yeah but what if you say, "But they're real reasons I'm feeling the way I'm feeling"!? There are always reasons.
Lance Wallnau: There's al there's always there's always reasons why that happens. The secret is, that out of nowhere, you'll be thinking about a person, or a thing, and the feelings will start to come up, and so that's the "Underwater" part. If you can detect it the moment you can detect it and this is particularly important for businesses, ministries, and I'm we've both seen it! The setup is this: you have a bit of a strained relationship with somebody: all that it takes is one incident, one wrong word, and snap! It's as though everything that you were thinking about them is confirmed: and in truth, that first seed that got put in you was a spiritual seed. So I tell people this: that you have to be able to catch toxic thinking towards relationships within your life. Satan is in the business of tearing relationships. I can't necessarily deal with everything going on around the world, but I can have authority over what's in my own garden. And so I'm going to make sure that whatever feelings I have towards the people that are around me, that I catch it when the feelings come if they're negative, and I say, "Is that you Lord? Or was that was that discerning"? The only time you'll ever get anything that's negative from heaven is a discerning of spirits.
Sid Roth: And that's a missing ingredient.
Lance Wallnau: And that's the missing ingredient: discerning. Jesus knew. He said "The man who is going to betray has his hand on the table": his spirit was troubled. That's far different than having toxic thoughts, that are hostile and negative about another person. When a man gets it towards his wife, it's the beginning of the divorce. When a woman has it towards her husband, it's the loss of respect that leads to a divorce. When a child has it towards a parent, it's the moment they stop listening to correction. And so this spirit gets once people get the teaching, they see it: and the moment you see it, you can break it. It's as though it's...
Sid Roth: But, but.
Lance Wallnau: You know you got to control it.
Sid Roth: But here's the thing that amazes me: I know if you're dealing with a demon, you say with a loud voice "Get out! In the name of Jesus. I bind you"!, and you say that won't have any effect on this spirit. What does?
Lance Wallnau: Right. And thatís the mystery of this because when you're dealing with a world ruler like this level, the smart strategy is to let the Lord do the deliverance. This is one spirit where what we do is we have to pull out of the emotional connection because that spirit you see you see people that get into a fight on the street: it's going to be escalated matched with escalated. What we have to do is de-escalate: we literally have to go into a place of humility, and the love of God, and it disconnects the power of that hook from us. Now it doesn't mean you're not going to come back. Like for instance, I deal with media. I have to constantly do what Jesus said. He said, "Take heed what you hear", and "Take heed how you hear". Well, how am I supposed to do this when I'm dealing with political subject matter? I have to hear what they're saying, even if it's Leviathan! The Lord said, "Take heed how you hear it": don't let it get a reaction in you, where you start to become a problem too! I have to be able to be, in a sense, able to see the lie, able to love the voice that's talking to me, and able to turn it around, to find out how to show the people what's really going on. I can't afford to get hooked in that spirit.
Sid Roth: Lance, would you pray right now for people to operate in discernment? I need this discernment! Because we're coming into a moment in history like the world has never seen before. It's a borrowed moment it should not have been there but God rearranged things for the destiny of America to evangelize the world, and we need this discernment. Pray that, right now.
Lance Wallnau: We need it. This spirit of discernment, the one gift that the church needs most. We talk about word of knowledge, we love it: we talk about healing, we love prophecy, we love faith. But the discerning of spirits is going to save your life because it'll protect you from the wrong partnership. It'll protect you from being sucked into the wrong fight at the wrong time. Here's my prayer: I pray for you right now, that in your marriage, in your ministry, in your business, and in all future partnerships especially some of you I sense the favor of God is on you. You're entering a new season. You have to be very careful because when you have favor, you attract the right and the wrong opportunities: I pray for the discerning of spirits. May you discern Leviathan, that twisting serpent when it's trying to produce division between you and somebody called you to walk with, in agreement. I pray in the name of Jesus, that you have a gut level spiritual discerning: that you won't be analyzing with your head, but you'll have it in your heart, as Jesus had it when his spirit was disturbed because of the breach of covenant, at the table. Father, I thank you that the discerning of spirits is operating, to understand what manner of spirit we're dealing with, in Jesus' name.
Sid Roth: And Jesus summarized it best: love never, never fails