Sid Roth - God Spoke to Me and Changed My Life with Randy Kinsel
This man heard the audible voice of God that changed his destiny forever, next on this edition of It's Supernatural!
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter. My guest says he was taking a shower, heard the audible voice of God, which has so dramatically changed his destiny. Randy, tell me what your life was like before that?
Randy Kinsel: Well before I heard the voice of God and before I even knew God, I was just, by worldly standards, I was doing very nicely. All my friends thought I was successful in my business. I had a wife, two kids, a nice house, comfortable life, everything was good.
Sid Roth: Let's take the facade off. What was really going on inside?
Randy Kinsel: Really, I had a hole inside me that I couldn't satisfy. I thought it was a middle age crazy thing. I had had an affair on my wife several months before. Anything that ever happened in my life and I had come to a point where I really felt like this is it, this business, my life, my kids, it's not worth it.
Sid Roth: Did you try drugs?
Randy Kinsel: I did drugs. I smoked three packs of cigarettes a day. I used pot daily, those kind of things, alcohol. I stayed up and watched TV all night long. I watched football from Thursday through Tuesday. So all in all, my life was pretty much a mess. It was just to get by one day to the other.
Sid Roth: Did you think it was a mess though? Did you have an inkling or were you just fooling yourself to the world.
Randy Kinsel: No, deep down inside I knew it was a mess and I knew I couldn't go on with it. I wasn't happy. And I had come to a point where I decided I'm giving up. I was going to leave. I was just going to pack up my car and drive off into the sunset.
Sid Roth: But you had children. How could you do that?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. I just didn't really care about it all that much anymore. I had just gotten to the point where that didn't matter.
Sid Roth: What changed that?
Randy Kinsel: Well at that point, my daughter came home from, she was going to this church meeting on Wednesday nights with some other, a lady came over and picked up and took her. She came over and said, "Dad, I want to get baptized". I was like, "Go ahead. That's fine". I didn't really care. And she said, "No, no, you have to go up and meet the preacher before I can get baptized". And I said, "I really don't want to do that". So she finally talked me into doing that and then I went up and met the preacher, but he wasn't there. So I was standing around the church going, well, this guy is not going to show up, you know. I don't know how that works exactly, but so then, I thought well we'll just kind of stay here. A prayer meeting started and I heard somebody in there mention, "Has anybody heard about this church in Pensacola, Florida where there's a revival going on. People are getting saved. Lives are being changed, hookers, prostitutes, all that kind of thing". And I just kind of laughed and thought, revival, ha, I could care less about that. All I wanted to do is get out of there. So later that, the pastor never did show up, so we ended up leaving. I went home that night, sat down and started looking through the Internet about 9:30 at night, smoked a couple of joints and was relaxed, and just looking around at some stuff. And I thought, if there's a bunch of stuff going on, let's see if it's so big there will be something on the Internet about this Pensacola thing. So just out of curiosity I looked it up. Well the next thing I knew I looked it up and it was 8:30 in the morning, and I had printed off about 200 pages on my, worn out my cartridge.
Sid Roth: Did you read it at all?
Randy Kinsel: Yes, sir.
Sid Roth: Why?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know.
Sid Roth: That's crazy.
Randy Kinsel: I just started reading it.
Sid Roth: That's not as exciting as football. What were you doing that for?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. Just there was something about lives being changed and people being healed, and all these kind of things, and I had never seen anything or touched anything like that. It was just, to me, it was more interesting than anything else.
Sid Roth: Did you wife and family know that you had spent all night on the Internet.
Randy Kinsel: Well my wife did when she woke up in the morning and thought I was crazy. And so did I. So quite honestly, it was not a, I don't know, it was just kind of, I couldn't believe I did it. I had to go to work that day. I lived in San Antonio, Texas. I had to drive about an hour north to Austin, Texas. So I went and got my car and was driving, and I saw this little Baptist church as I drove by up on the hill, and I remember looking at it and saying, "God, I don't care what you're doing in Pensacola, Florida. I'm not even going to drive five miles to this little Baptist church to come see you. I'm sure not going to go to Pensacola, Florida".
Sid Roth: That was pretty nervy.
Randy Kinsel: Well I was at that point in my life where I really didn't care.
Sid Roth: Okay.
Randy Kinsel: And I just told God I'm not interested in what you're doing. I could care less. And about that time, right up out of the dashboard of my van, came a sign that came right up in front of my eyes that said, "Pensacola".
Sid Roth: What kind of sign?
Randy Kinsel: Well it was like a, about the size of a dollar bill, a little bit bigger. It came up and blocked my eyes and it said, "Pensacola" across it. And I couldn't, I'm doing 80 miles an hour down the highway.
Sid Roth: Did it obstruct your vision?
Randy Kinsel: Yes. And I couldn't see.
Sid Roth: Talk about getting your attention.
Randy Kinsel: Well I thought I was about to die driving along the freeway in rush hour traffic.
Sid Roth: You must have just, just your imagination or you're tired. You hadn't slept that night, so.
Randy Kinsel: That was my immediate thought. I said, okay, I'll go, and the sign went away.
Sid Roth: Why did you say you'd go?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know.
Sid Roth: You didn't want to go.
Randy Kinsel: I know, but it just came up. I was trying to get this sign out of my face. I said, I'll go, and the sign went away. And then I immediately thought, this is what happens when you stay up and read the Internet all night. I'm just the computer burned all night onto my eyes, this Pensacola thing. So as that happened, I kind of, phew, made my heart race for a couple of hours. I, a little later the next, later that day, I thought to myself, I'm going to test this thing one more time. And I said, "God, I don't care what you're doing in Pensacola, I'm not going there". And here this sign came again and blocked my vision a second time. Immediately, I knew what to do to make it go away. I said, "Okay, I'll go" and the sign went away.
Sid Roth: Were you telling the truth?
Randy Kinsel: Yes. I went home, I looked at my wife and I said, "I need to get a plane ticket to Pensacola, Florida".
Sid Roth: And what did she think?
Randy Kinsel: She says, "What for"? And I said, "I don't know. I saw this sign". And she thought I had seen an advertisement on the highway billboard that said, you know, a cheap rate to Pensacola or something. She didn't know what it was because I've always been kind of an impulsive guy. And she said, "What are you talking about"? When I told her more about this, she basically thought I was crazy. She looked at me and said, "You can't go 700 miles to Pensacola, Florida without getting high. You've never done that in your life". And I said, "Well I'm going to give it a try". So I got in my car and a couple other guys that I knew kind of piled in with me as a, let's go see what this is all about kind of thing. We drove to Pensacola and I had never, understand, I hadn't been in a church in, off and on, a couple of churches here and there. But I had never been a...
Sid Roth: That wasn't your thing.
Randy Kinsel: No, no, huh-uh. I'm not a big church goer. So it was in December. We showed up out in front of the church, 2:00 in the afternoon. The service started at seven at night and there were 500 to a thousand people standing in line out there.
Sid Roth: In line in a church?
Randy Kinsel: Standing in front of the church in line.
Sid Roth: Why were they all, why did they want to go in there?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. Same reason, I guess they saw signs, too. I don't know. So I didn't know anything about it. All I know is I was very uncomfortable. And I stood there for about five hours and then got into the church, and had a seat right up on the second row.
Sid Roth: How did that happen?
Randy Kinsel: Well I don't know. I was at the back of the line but somehow there just happened to be three seats for us all right there in the second row, right in front of the church, so.
Sid Roth: What did you think of what you saw?
Randy Kinsel: Well at first I walked in and I saw people, you know, shaking their heads and doing, I thought maybe they're here to be healed. I don't know.
Sid Roth: I'll tell you, he saw some pretty strange things, and we're going to find out about it. But the strangest thing of all is when fire hit him. Yes, you heard me right. Fire hit him. We'll be right back after this.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter. I'm speaking with Randy Kinsel. This man, his marriage was a mess. It looked okay on the outside, but he knew better. It was a mess. He was into drugs. His business is going okay. And a sign, a supernatural, I mean like a billboard almost, but supernatural blocks his view as he's driving his car. He can't even see until he agrees to go to a church in Pensacola, Florida, Brownsville Assembly of God. He goes. He's not a church goer. He has wait in line five hours just to get a seat. Thousands of people like him are lined up to go into this church. Supernaturally, he's in the second row. Tell me, Randy, what you saw with your eyes that was different.
Randy Kinsel: Well I saw all kinds of things that I had never seen before, not being somebody who had never even really gone to church much, and the churches I had gone to, I had never seen anything like this. I didn't know what to expect and didn't go in with any expectations, just knew that I was supposed to be there. And just the minute the praise and worship started, they started playing the music, people started jumping up and down, and throwing their hands up in the air, and I had never been exposed to anything like that, seen anything like that. So to me, it was a little, it was different.
Sid Roth: Were you uncomfortable.
Randy Kinsel: Yeah, a little bit.
Sid Roth: I would think so.
Randy Kinsel: I was a little bit uncomfortable. I was.
Sid Roth: So why did you even stay?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. I kept wanting to leave, but I never could. And then finally I got to the part where, you know, they took up an offering. Then the pastor came up to, a guy came up to preach. And he got up there and started preaching. And he was a down to earth guy. I really liked that. I hadn't heard anybody every before preach like this. But every now and then it was like, that hurts. There's something that...
Sid Roth: What hurts?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. It was like it was shooting me with a gun in the chest or something. But I kept feeling pain hit me and it was very, it was strange. So then he said, "Okay, everybody move your chairs". And I was a little mad. I had traveled 700 miles and here I'm gonna lose my chair in front of the church. So I didn't understand that. But I was like, okay. So I moved my chair and I thought, well this is the point where I slip out the back door. I've been pretty good at that all of my life and I didn't really know what an altar call was or what they were about to do. And as I was headed towards the door, the preacher said, "Sir". And for some reason it felt like he was talking straight to me. So I stopped and I, and he told me the very things I was doing were going to send me to a place I didn't want to be and if I wanted forgiveness I had to come down and repent of my sins. And I didn't really know what that meant. But I remember standing there. It made sense and the more he said, "Run, if you're serious you run," I ran. I had to apologize to a little old lady I almost knocked over. She was walking.
Sid Roth: It doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you run for an altar call?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. That's just what he told me to do. So I did. I just tried to do what God wanted me to do, I guess. I didn't know what I was doing. I just ran. I went on my face and I cried, and God did something in me because when I stood up, I was totally different. I remember standing up and reaching down, and pinching my skin and just, what's happening. I could not explain it all.
Sid Roth: Someone prayed for you there.
Randy Kinsel: Well and then this lady in the church came up and said, "How are you doing". And I said, "Okay, what is this all over me"? And she said, "Look, there's Dr. Mike Brown. Let me go get him to pray for you". So she went and got him, and he walked over to me, put his hand on my shoulder and said, "What's your name"? I said, "Randy". He said, "Where are you from"? "San Antonio". "What are you here for"? "Everything God has for me". And the minute I said that, I saw two fires light up in each one of the pupils of his eyes. And he put his hand on my stomach and after that, I don't really know what happened.
Sid Roth: What happened? What occurred to you? I mean, did you pass out? What happened?
Randy Kinsel: Well I think I went down to the floor. I don't know how.
Sid Roth: How tall are you?
Randy Kinsel: Six-four.
Sid Roth: How much do you weigh?
Randy Kinsel: About 280.
Sid Roth: Did he push you down on the floor?
Randy Kinsel: No, no, no. Uh-uh.
Sid Roth: What is this fire business?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know. He put one hand on my stomach like this and said, "Fire"! And it scared me. It startled me when I saw the fire in his eyes.
Sid Roth: Real fire, you saw in his eyes.
Randy Kinsel: Two flames lit up in each one of his eyes.
Sid Roth: Listen, I've got to go to Dr. Michael Brown and see exactly what this fire is. Let's go to Dr. Michael Brown at Brownsville in Pensacola, Florida.
Sid Roth: I'm interested in that fire that was in Dr. Brown's eyes. The best way to find out is to go directly to Dr. Michael Brown. Michael, what is this fire that Randy saw in your eyes?
Dr. Michael Brown: Well obviously I didn't see it. I wasn't aware of it. But it's the fire of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says that God himself is a consuming fire and Jesus said he comes to baptize us, to immerse us in the Holy Spirit in fire, and that we should be on fire for God. When I pray for people, I often cry out, "Fire! God, burn out the sin. God, fire! Set them ablaze. Fire"! And we've been amazed to see, all of us praying for people, it's not me, but all of us, praying for people in this revival, seeing people bound by homosexuality and they get up, and the desire has left them. A lady came up, she said, "I'm 22. A year ago I came to one of your meetings". She said, "I had been a drug addict for two years, drinking for two years, sexually immoral. The relationship with my parents was broken down. I was smoking cigarettes". She said, "I came to the meeting, you prayed for me". She said, I said the word "Change, change, change"! over her. She fell to the ground into God's power. She said, "I got up. I have since in this last year have no desire for a cigarette, for a drink, for a drug, sleep around. My parents and I are reconciled". And the parents came over to me with tears and said, "We have a new daughter". It's the fire of the Holy Spirit.
Sid Roth: Would you pray for everyone that wants to receive this fire right now.
Dr. Michael Brown: I'd love to. Father, in the name of Jesus, I pray that fire would fall on every one viewing, that the fire of your spirit would burn in their hearts, that you would remove everything that stands between them and God. That you'd burn up the uncleanness, that you'd burn up the complacency, that you'd burn up the traditionalism, that you'd burn up the fear of man and that you would bring them into a face-to-face encounter with you. And everyone watching who knows you set them ablaze for you. Let Holy Spirit fire fall, the same fire that fell when Elijah prayed and consumed the sacrifices. Let fire fall in every home of every viewer now in Yeshua's name. Amen.
Sid Roth: Thank you, Dr. Brown.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter. And I am fascinated by this fire. I don't know about you, but I'm fascinated. Randy, it's nice you had this fire business. But what did you tell your wife when you came home?
Randy Kinsel: Well it wasn't necessarily what I told my wife as it was what she saw in me. She looked at me and said, "You're different. What happened"? And I just told her, I said, "I went down there and met God". She said, "And what does that mean"? I said, "Well all things are different now. I don't smoke anymore, I don't do drugs anymore, I don't cuss anymore. I don't watch TV anymore. I mean, it just, all the desires for all these things just went away".
Sid Roth: Football, you played football in college. That was important to you.
Randy Kinsel: Yes, sir, I played at the University of Texas, college football, and I've been a football fan all my life. I just, I didn't have time for it. I didn't even watch the Super Bowl that year or any of the playoffs, or anything, so.
Sid Roth: But you were taking a shower, minding your own business and what happened?
Randy Kinsel: Well God had been dealing with me about going to the School of Ministry and I had been kind of fighting with that a little bit because I own my own business, I'm 39 years old, I have a wife and two kids. I was taking a shower and I told God, I said, "If you'll confirm it with me 43 times that I'm supposed to go".
Sid Roth: Where did you get the 43 from?
Randy Kinsel: I don't know, just a number that popped out of my head. So and as time had gone on...
Sid Roth: You really didn't want to go.
Randy Kinsel: No. I mean, I did, but I didn't. I just wanted to do whatever God wanted me to do. But I really felt that to walk away from everything I had and go, I didn't understand that. So I told God, you'd better make it real clear. I don't want to make any mistakes. I can't afford to at 39 years of age. So I was taking a shower and I heard God spoke to me in an audible or somebody spoke to me and said, "I sent you something in the mail and you didn't even check your mailbox". And when I heard that, I fell down.
Sid Roth: Why did you fall down?
Randy Kinsel: Just a fear came over me. I didn't know what it was. My knees started shaking. I was looking around. I thought, is there somebody in my house, you know, in my shower. So anyway, when I got up I obviously dried off and ran outside, and checked my mailbox. My wife said, "What are you doing"? "I got to check the mailbox". There was an application to the Brownsville School of Ministry. So I had a pretty good idea that's what I was supposed to do.
Sid Roth: A voice tells you to look in your mailbox.
Randy Kinsel: Right.
Sid Roth: You look in your mailbox. There's an invitation to go to Bible school. What about those 43 confirmations?
Randy Kinsel: Well that made like number 37 or 38 right there.
Sid Roth: Really?
Randy Kinsel: So the next morning, a telephone call, a pastor in town called me up and said, "I was praying last night and God told me he was going to send you something in the mail that would confirm your future". And I was like, okay, so, and we had planned to go down to Brownsville over the week of Thanksgiving. So at that point after that, we left. I had my 39th confirmation. So I went down there. Sat down in the first service and Dr. Brown saw me, and looked at me, and kind of, "Come over here". I walked up to him and he said, "I haven't seen you. How have you been"? I said, "Great". He said, "Aren't you supposed to be going to the School of Ministry"?
Sid Roth: What number was that?
Randy Kinsel: I said, "Well that's number 40". And he looked at me puzzled and said, "What"? I said, "Well I told God 43 confirmations and I'd be there". So he said, "Well I believe that if he gave you 40 he can give you the other three". So he invited me to a teaching on Friday. I went to that. During the teaching, afterwards, he has a little time to just wait on the Lord. And I remember praying. I put my head down and said, "Lord, if you're really calling me out, do it right now. Do it supernaturally so that I know that it's you and I want to know that I know. And I need you to do it three times. So you're God. Do whatever you're gonna do". And after that, somebody started speaking in a different language I didn't understand. And then an interpretation came out that said, “I’m calling you out, I'm calling you out, I'm calling you out to the service to the Lord". Immediately after that, my wife looked at me and said, "That was for you". And I said, "I know. Time to go". And I knew.
Sid Roth: What did you do with your business? You had a good business?
Randy Kinsel: Well my wife and I gave it to a lady that was in the church.
Sid Roth: Gave it?
Randy Kinsel: Yes, sir.
Sid Roth: How valuable was this business?
Randy Kinsel: Well you know, you can debate that all day long. It produced a six-figure income for me for over eight years.
Sid Roth: You gave it away. You're going to be a student. You're going to need money. Why would you give it away?
Randy Kinsel: Well I really felt like God had dealt with me that if I was to do this I had seen how far I could go on what I had. Now it was time to let him show me how far he could take me.
Sid Roth: All right. Tell me the change in your life right now. Your marriage, it was stinking before. How is it now?
Randy Kinsel: Put together in a way that it's never been. I love my wife like I've never loved her before.
Sid Roth: What about money? Let's get practical.
Randy Kinsel: Well God has been providing everything I need. I moved down here in faith with just a few thousand dollars. I paid all my tuition. I paid my bills. I've taken care of it, so.
Sid Roth: Drugs? You need that, I mean, come on, you need that every once in a while?
Randy Kinsel: No, sir. I've not smoked a cigarette. Right after that I tried to smoke a cigarette. I had to throw it away. I thought it tasted bad. I tried to fire up another, it tasted bad. So just thought, I'll pray. I said, "God, do you want me to do this"?
Sid Roth: Do you miss it?
Randy Kinsel: Not at all.
Sid Roth: Did you hear what he said?
Randy Kinsel: Not at all.
Sid Roth: Not at all. Why? Because it was a forceful thing? No. God gave him something better. Now when he heard a song at Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola, Florida, a young lady, Charity James sings "The Mercy Seat", when he heard that, he had a compulsion to get right with God. I believe that when you hear this music of Charity James that you are going to feel the Ruach, the spirit of the Living God come upon you, and when you reach out to God and say, God, I'm a sinner. Forgive me. I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord, watch what happens. Joy, peace, purpose, destiny. I can't wait. Charity James. Lost in the curse of a lifetime of sin. Lovely illusions they never come true I know where there's a place of mercy for you. He said that you could come into his presence without fear. Into the holy place where his mercy hovers near. Come running come running, Come running to the mercy seat where Jesus is calling. His Grace will be a covering. His blood will flow freely it will provide the healing. Come running to the mercy seat. He said that I could come into his presence without fear into the holy place where his mercy hovers near. I'm running, I'm running, I'm running to the mercy seat where Jesus is calling he said, his grace would cover me his blood will flow freely. It will provide the healing. I'm running. I'm running. I'm running to the mercy seat. Where Jesus is calling. He said His grace would cover me. His blood will flow freely. It will provide the healing. I'm running to the mercy seat. I'm running to the mercy seat. I'm running to the mercy seat.