Sid Roth - A Voice Told Me to Murder Two Men with a Hammer with Frank Sherry
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter and I've got right here an article from the State Journal Register talking about an event that occurred in August 4, 1975. I quote, "A drug crazed man armed with a hammer terrorized a neighborhood on Springfield's near south side. He attacked every man, woman and child in his path. Eight people had been bludgeoned. Two of his victims died. Another suffered permanent brain damage". Now Frank, I understand as a child you were sexually abused. That's no excuse for what occurred. However, what effect did that abuse have on you way back as a little child?
Frank Sherry: Sid, I believe it had a tremendous significance in my life as I grew up and because later on when I entered in into the drug experimentation and that scene that was going on in the late '60s, it seemed like I could submerge and hide away maybe some of those painful memories as a child and growing up, you know the inferiority and rejection, things like that. And you know, back in those days you can do, use drugs and the LSD, you can just go into another world.
Sid Roth: It was an escape.
Frank Sherry: It was an escape.
Sid Roth: How did you get started in drugs in the first place?
Frank Sherry: I had joined the Navy in 1968.
Sid Roth: What has that got to do with getting started in drugs?
Frank Sherry: Well it seemed like the, I was at Naval Air Station Miramar just outside of San Diego, and it seemed like all of the enlisted men were experimenting with marijuana and certainly drinking. We went to the EM club every night. But they were doing a lot of, you know, amphetamines and barbiturates, and just drugs. And so I was a lured in, you know, lured into, you know, lured into that scene.
Sid Roth: How deep did you get into it?
Frank Sherry: Well I got to be a dope addict or a drug addict on the needle and so I was always way into the scene like that.
Sid Roth: And how did you do in the service?
Frank Sherry: Well I finally got thrown out of the Navy for selling LSD, and they booted me out because they did, they couldn't do much with me. I had been caught four times altogether. And so finally they held a special court marshal and I received a bad conduct discharge.
Sid Roth: Now how did you adjust in civilian life?
Frank Sherry: Well my whole philosophy that I kind of had drummed up in my mind was to do my thing. You know, I thought I came up with that, you know, on my own, and I thought, well I'll get out on the streets and I'll grow my hair long. This is the end of the hippie era and I can grow my hair long and just, you know, take drugs and smoke dope, and live happily ever after. But I found out later on it takes money to take, you know, to do drugs and you have to have a job to get money. So you know, I found out that, you know, it's kind of a tough life living out there on the streets with no job and stuff.
Sid Roth: Well you got married. How did the marriage work?
Frank Sherry: Well we were both on drugs and you know, that thing soured after a short time. So we went our separate directions. But my life just, you know, went down, down, down.
Sid Roth: Were you arrested at all?
Frank Sherry: I was arrested lots of times for burglary, possession of marijuana and you know, of course, it didn't mean anything to me because I thought for some reason I thought I was too smart for them really to pin me down or throw me in jail, even though one of my relatives one time told me that, "Frank, you're going to wind up in jail". And I just laughed, you know, thinking, you know, you're not going to get me in jail. But it was just a bad state to be in.
Sid Roth: Now were you involved at all in new age or Satanism?
Frank Sherry: My main thing, Sid, was the drugs and the rock and roll music in that era, per se. The new age was kind of new at the time and some of the Eastern religions was new at the time, and I didn't buy into any of that. But it doesn't take a whole lot, when Satan is behind it, it doesn't take a whole lot to really get you in bad trouble, serious trouble. So it was mainly, you know, the drugs and rock and roll music, acid rock.
Sid Roth: You were in jail one time and you drew a Satanic symbol. Tell me about that.
Frank Sherry: This was just prior to this going on this murderous rampage in 1975. And I wasn't into Satanism at all. I didn't even really know that much about it. But I did hear these voices communicating with me. I didn't understand it, but they were leading me and they were telling me where to hide my dope or they would tell me if the police were behind me, sort of being just led of the spirit, but it was the wrong spirit. And this voice told me to draw a pentagram on the down in the dust and on the floor of the city jail where I had been arrested, and I begin to meditate and to look upon that pentagram, and just to, you know...
Sid Roth: Why did you follow this voice?
Frank Sherry: Well it was about the only voice I knew. I didn't know the voice of God at the time, so I was just basically going by - you know
Sid Roth: So you drew the pentagram and what did you do?
Frank Sherry: I just was meditating on it. I felt led to meditate on it and I believe that day a spirit of murder came up from the pits of darkness and took a dominating position in my physical body and spirit, and all the other demons that were already there were subject to this dominating spirit of murder.
Sid Roth: Out of curiosity, the woman you divorced, did you abuse her at all?
Frank Sherry: No, not really. One time we had a fight and I was, again, I was high on LSD. We were all high that night and I had taken too much that night, and I slapped her. But I didn't beat her or anything. I just slapped her a couple of times. But that ended that marriage. That was what ended that marriage.
Sid Roth: Okay. You do this Satanic symbol and you start meditating on it because a voice tells you, you get out of jail and you got to Springfield. What happened?
Frank Sherry: Well you know, I thought, I get a little job. We call them little jobs because you don't want to work too much, but enough to make some money for drugs. And I was taking drugs and I was shooting drugs at the time. And these voices were becoming more impending to me. Whereas I at one time would have a good time on drugs, having a good time, now these voices were threatening. They were more of a terroristic ingredient to it now and I just literally went just totally crazy one day. I was totally possessed of the devil.
Sid Roth: What did these voices tell you?
Frank Sherry: They told me that I was last one left in the town of Springfield, Illinois, which is the capitol of Illinois. There were 70 or 80,000 people living there, that I was the last one left and we had been invaded from outer space by alien entities, and they had taken over, and that I was the very last one left, and they were converging on me to capture me.
Sid Roth: He actually believed that. You can't even flirt with Satanic stuff without having a repercussion. We'll be back right after this.
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter and I've got Frank Sherry with me. This is a man that just flirted with witchcraft. He was in prison or jail because, what did you do? Why were you in jail?
Frank Sherry: That day I had walked up to Kroger's supermarket. I was very, very, very high, Sid, hallucinating. I thought I was being photographed, videotaped by a bird up in the air.
Sid Roth: You really believed this.
Frank Sherry: I really believed it.
Sid Roth: How could you believe that?
Frank Sherry: Well I was hallucinating, Sid.
Sid Roth: I see.
Frank Sherry: And I walked into the grocery store and I thought, you know, I was trying to get everybody to start hamming it up. We're on TV, you know, something like Candid Camera or something like that. And of course, they're dialing 911. And I got arrested for public disorder and they knew I was high. So that was when I went back into that drunk tank and drew that pentagram.
Sid Roth: Okay. Now you go to Springfield and a voice tells you you're the last sane person left on Earth and everyone else is demonically possessed.
Frank Sherry: Right.
Sid Roth: And what are you supposed to do about this?
Frank Sherry: Well my intention was to get out of Springfield for my life. This is a life or death matter, and if they get me and possess me that's it. So my intentions are to get out of Springfield. And but if I see any living thing, any living thing, I mean, whether it be human or vegetation or animal to destroy that otherwise I will be infected. And so when you walk out of your house in Springfield, Illinois or any major town there's people everywhere. And so, you know, I surmise that this is the enemy and just began to bludgeon them.
Sid Roth: Now where did you get the hammer from?
Frank Sherry: There was one in my apartment. I had done construction work.
Sid Roth: All right. And so you walked out with the hammer. Everyone you saw, did you attack?
Frank Sherry: Every one.
Sid Roth: What did you feel when you were doing this? What did you think?
Frank Sherry: I thought that these aliens or these people that had been taken over, I thought that they were going down like dominoes and that I was unstoppable, is what I thought. And later on when I went into a drug store I was foaming at the mouth, and went into this drug store to get something to drink, you know, because I'm not thinking rationally. But I go in to get something to drink. There was a soda fountain back there. Of course, they were trying to grab my arm. They're holding me and pinning me down to stop me, and of course, I had the strength of about seven or eight men, the doctors said.
Sid Roth: How did you have the strength of seven or eight men?
Frank Sherry: They just said that they couldn't hold me down on the table at the hospital.
Sid Roth: That's definitely supernatural.
Frank Sherry: And I had the strength of about seven or eight men, so it took everybody in that ward just to pin me down and get belt posts stretched over me. But finally it dawned on me that, hey, they're going to get me and I'm going to be captured. So that's when I attempted to commit suicide in the drugstore.
Sid Roth: What did you do?
Frank Sherry: I took a jar, I saw a jar on the shelf and I shattered the jar, broke it on the floor and grabbed a piece of, big thick piece of jagged glass and began to slash on my wrist.
Sid Roth: And was this life threatening?
Frank Sherry: I was hoping I would die because I didn't want the tormenters to capture me. That's how real this was to me.
Sid Roth: So did they capture you?
Frank Sherry: Well I went unconscious due to the lack of blood and the officer debated just for a few moments, his name was Officer John Marsh, he debated just for a few moments. He said, "Should we let him go ahead and bleed, just take a few more moments, or should we go ahead and get him patched up, get the ambulance here, get him to the hospital and let the courts deal with him". Well thank God, you know, the ambulance came.
Sid Roth: When you came to yourself, what was the first thought you had?
Frank Sherry: That I was surrounded by these people that had been infested by these aliens from outer space. I was totally surrounded. I was laying down, strapped down to a hospital bed.
Sid Roth: When did you realize what had occurred and what you did?
Frank Sherry: I went in and out reality there for about two days, in and out of reality. I would come to reality and then I would slip back out, like almost like the waves going in and out. And then later on it would begin to dawn on me. At first I thought someone had drugged me because I was not capable of such a heinous crime. And then it dawned on me that I had taken the drugs. I'm responsible for what I've done and it was such a tragedy, such a horror, and I did that, and it was bad.
Sid Roth: It was bad. It's hard to believe that this could happen to anyone, but it did. But there is an amazing supernatural event that occurs. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter. I'm talking to Frank Sherry. Frank, you murdered with a hammer two people. You bludgeoned everyone in your path. You're in jail. You've been sentenced, how many years in prison?
Frank Sherry: Ten years to 30 years.
Sid Roth: How come so little? You murdered two people.
Frank Sherry: It was because of the crime, they knew that it was not a premeditated murder or capital murder charge.
Sid Roth: I see.
Frank Sherry: What I did was I pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and aggravated battery, and they ran those sentences kind of wild so it would add up to 10 to 30 years.
Sid Roth: So you're waiting to go to prison. You're in jail and all of a sudden there is a visitor, the widow of one of the men that you bludgeoned to death with the hammer. Why did you even go talk to her?
Frank Sherry: I didn't want to go out and talk to her, Sid, because somehow I wanted to express how sorry I was, but I didn't know how to do that. And so I didn't want to go out there. How can you tell a lady that you murdered her husband, how can you tell her you're sorry? It didn't make any sense to me. But the officers insisted I go out there and I'm glad I did, because she came up to forgive me, and that was what was in her heart, to forgive for taking her husband's life, for such a horrible thing. And Sid, the seed of God's Word was planted in me that day. And she said that we, the Bible says that we know all things work together for good to them that love God. And she was in a quandary as how could this work together for good except I give my life to the Lord Jesus Christ. And then she handed me her husband's Bible and she said, "If you'll read this Bible, Frank," she said, "it will change your life".
Sid Roth: Did you in your heart intend to honor her request?
Frank Sherry: Yes, yes. Because when I looked into her eyes I sensed the power. I couldn't say power of God at the time, I didn't understand it. But I sensed a tremendous power that was in this little lady and I saw the love and concern in her eyes for the man that had bludgeoned her husband to death.
Sid Roth: How could she do that? How could she forgive you?
Frank Sherry: Because she was a Christian.
Sid Roth: You bludgeoned to death her husband.
Frank Sherry: That's the power of the Gospel. That is the power of the Gospel.
Sid Roth: Shortly thereafter, Frank, you gave your life to God. And after you had gotten out of prison, you went to her home church to speak. We have some actual footage of that. Let's look at it right now.
Frank Sherry: Okay.
Sid Roth: Frank, what was going on inside of Frank Sherry when that happened, when she was talking to you?
Frank Sherry: The Lord was dealing with me because God is not willing that any man perish, even a brutal killer and murderer.
Sid Roth: What was going on in your innermost being seeing this woman? I mean, I could feel her heart.
Frank Sherry: I was just crushed. And I was so ashamed of myself, I couldn't look anybody in the eyes for almost a year, at least a year after that. I could not look people in the eyes because I was so ashamed of what I did.
Sid Roth: I have to ask you question. How can you be even today, I mean, you're a new creation. I know that God has forgiven you and I know what God is doing with your life right now, and it is wonderful what God is doing now. How can you even talk to us today?
Frank Sherry: Well I realize that we need to share our testimony, and sometimes a contrast has to be shown to show that the real, real power of God, how God is able to transform even the violence and bring them into a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And so I just thank the Lord, and I'm humbled. I'm humbled that God is no respecter of persons and could reach down in the pits, and pull me out of that darkness.
Sid Roth: Not only reach down in the pits can change you, and you and your wife are being used by God in walking into prisons and transforming lives, but I want to know how you met your wife.
Frank Sherry: She came down to Menard Prison, which was a maximum security prison, she came down to see me.
Sid Roth: By the way, your light, your eyes just lit up, your face just lit up when I mentioned your wife. Why is that?
Frank Sherry: Oh I just, you know, God is so good, Sid. You know, to think that someone had just come off the streets, and you know, a murderer, a nothing, a real nothing, zero is what we say, and then for God to turn it all around and give you a wonderful wife. You know, women in the past were nothing, you know, just something to be used. But God loves us so much that he could turn it around so much and put it all back together again. And I'm just thankful to my wife today, Sid.
Sid Roth: Well we have on the telephone right now, Ruth your wife. Ruth, could you hear what your husband was saying about you?
Ruth: Yes I could, Sid.
Sid Roth: Could you feel what your husband was saying about you? There's tears in his eyes.
Ruth: I sure can. There's tears in my eyes, too.
Sid Roth: I have to ask you a very difficult question. Ruth :Yes.
Sid Roth: You know Frank's past.
Sid Roth: Question number one, why did you marry him?
Ruth: Well you know, Sid, I really believe that God had his hand on our marriage and he put us together, and when things happen like that you only see what God is doing. You really don't even, you don't even think about what's happened in the past. And I know God put us together.
Sid Roth: Ruth, I have to ask you a second question.
Sid Roth: Because of what he's done in the past, are you ever fearful?
Ruth: No. No, I've never been afraid of Frank, and I know that the things that have happened have enabled us to minister to other people that have done, you know, the same thing or similar things. And it helps us to have a compassion on those people because we know that there is no life or no sin that's too deep or too great, and there's no life that can't be changed.
Sid Roth: Frank, one person whose life has changed, tell me about them right now.
Frank Sherry: One person whose life has changed. Yes, there was a man that I ministered to down in Louisiana, and he came up, he was a young man. And I really love the young people. And he came up and he had a problem with asthma, and he was a man who was in athletics, and he said, "I have this problem with asthma and it is crippling me". And I said, "I'd love to pray for you". And I prayed for him, and he disappeared.
Sid Roth: Disappeared?
Frank Sherry: And I don't know where he went. He disappeared. I don't mean, you know, physically, but he just left the church. But you know what he did, Sid? He ran around the church. This was a large church. He ran around the church two or three times, and he came in and, guess what, he said, "I don't have asthma any more". So his life was changed. But we see hundreds and hundreds of prisoners.
Sid Roth: You can relate to a prisoner.
Frank Sherry: Yes because I spent 12-1/2 years in prison. But we see young men and some old men, people that's incarcerated, we see them coming to the Lord, the murderers, all of them, the rapists, the child molesters, you know, the ones that society has cast off, God is doing a work in the prisons in America.
Sid Roth: Oh, you tried to commit suicide. You slashed your wrist.
Frank Sherry: Yes.
Sid Roth: Whatever happened to that wrist?
Frank Sherry: God miraculously put the nerves and the tendons back together, and I have full use of my hand right now.
Sid Roth: Let me see where you slashed your wrist.
Frank Sherry: Right there.
Sid Roth: Yeah, I could see that there. And you're saying that you have full feeling now?
Frank Sherry: Oh yeah.
Sid Roth: Did doctors do this?
Frank Sherry: No.
Sid Roth: Who did it?
Frank Sherry: They operated on here, but God healed it. God is the one that healed that.
Sid Roth: You know, it says to him who is forgiven much he loves much. Do you love God?
Frank Sherry: Yes. My greatest concern would be that I would fail him, you know.
Sid Roth: You're not going to fail him and neither are you going to fail him because look at the mercy of God. If God could forgive Frank Sherry, he can forgive you. If you repent of your sins, that means turn away from them and turn towards God for the power to overcome, ask Jesus to forgive you and ask him to become Lord of your life and live inside of you. You say, Sid, that's so simple. No, it's profound. It's life-changing. Do you have someone that you would live for or die for? Do you have peace no matter what external things are going on in your life? Do you pray and have God answer your prayers? Have you experienced the love of God, the peace of God, the purpose of God, the destiny in your life? This is your moment. It's time to do business with God in Jesus' name. You, too, are a miracle in progress. You really are an absolute miracle in progress. But get started!