Sid Roth - Not Getting Healed? This Is What's Blocking Your Healing
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guests say that most Bible believers have hidden toxic emotions that they just live with that they're so used to them. They're friends, but these friends are really enemies and they'll sabotage you to the point that you won't receive your physical healing. They're going to sabotage you to the point that your marriages will be destroyed. They're going to sabotage you to the point where you won't hear God. They're going to sabotage you to the point where you will not fulfill your destiny. And they say, finally, you can get free from those toxic emotions. Anyone interested?
Sid Roth: Well I'm here with my friends Dr. Dennis and Dr. Jennifer Clark. I want to know something. I know both of you the way you are now. But Jennifer, at the worst point, before you were married, before you got help, what were you like?
Jennifer Clark: Well constant anxiety if not semi-panic attacks. Fear was my most constant companion. Although I learned to put on a church face and a professional face I was wounded, I was so beaten down that I would walk with my head looking at the ground. Dennis commented on this later. So I was pretty much a defeated Christian.
Sid Roth: Okay Dennis, her mentor was the president of a Bible college, a professional counselor. Privately, what did she say to you?
Dennis Clark: Privately, she said in all of her counseling experience that Jennifer probably wouldn't amount to much because she's so emotionally damaged, that she'd be very limited, particularly for knowing that I was a pastor and totally ministry-oriented. I think she was afraid that she was just too damaged.
Sid Roth: And yet, you were a trained professional counselor, too. Okay. There is a meeting. You don't know each other. You both go to the meeting. You're not married. It's time. You're a widow and you observe something that defied all of your training of counseling. What did you observe?
Jennifer Clark: Right. Well first of all, in counseling I had been taught that forgiveness was a long process and I just never saw anybody get much better. And so we're at this meeting and a woman has an emotional meltdown and ends up on the floor, crying. Everybody is staring at her and I thought five or ten years' worth of counseling right there on the floor. But Dennis went over to her, and because of my counseling training I knew what was happening. He got down on one knee and started leading her through emotional healings and they were instant, and pulling down mental strongholds, instantly demonic activity was flying off because the doors were being closed. The enemy can't come unless he has legal ground or permission. And in less than ten minutes, that woman was up on her feet, perfectly emotional composure. She had a glow on her face and my thought was this is huge. If the church knew this we could have a healed church. This could change the world.
Sid Roth: So, make a long story short, Jennifer is fascinated by what he's pioneered and they get married.
Jennifer Clark: Right.
Sid Roth: And then each day for a few months you work on a couple of areas with Jennifer. And Jennifer, then you bump into your former mentor and what did she say to you?
Jennifer Clark: She said, "What happened to you? You're transformed". And I was. I was, just a couple of months in marriage, Dennis, discipling me, teaching me how to tap into the fruit of the Spirit, which I never knew you could really do, and dealing with this toxic emotions, because by the time we're adults we have a whole trainload full of baggage that we've accumulated. And in dealing with that and really getting set free from my toxic emotions for a couple of months totally changed my life. I could hardly remember the wounded, defeated woman I had been before.
Sid Roth: From a psychology viewpoint, is there any way someone like you could get free in 60 days?
Jennifer Clark: No.
Sid Roth: The best the world has to offer anyone?
Jennifer Clark: No.
Sid Roth: And then God spoke to you after you were free. What did he say?
Jennifer Clark: He said, "You need to take this to the world. The church needs to learn this". And it's really demystifying how to live in the Spirit, demystifying how to go Jesus in us to meet your needs. You see, we say we're not counselors. We don't do counseling. We teach believers. We're coaches. We teach believers how to go to Jesus in them and that's the secret because everything we take to Jesus, it's easy for him, and forgiveness is instant when we go to Jesus.
Sid Roth: But there are even Christian programs that take so long. You're telling me that from the biggest trauma to the minor thing that's just a problem for the individual, you can get instant freedom?
Jennifer Clark: Seconds. Seconds.
Sid Roth: Seconds?
Jennifer Clark: Yes. And see, we don't need to hear somebody's long story. All we have to do is coach them in how to go to Jesus in them and let Jesus show them.
Sid Roth: Okay. A little later we're going to teach you how to do this right on this show. But in the meantime, CDC has said that 90 percent of diseases are emotionally based, which means if in seconds you can get rid of the toxic emotions, guess what happens to your diseases? Your lightning brain has told you. I'll be right back.
Sid Roth: When I ask them my first question you are going to find out why so many of the promises of God that you've been begging God to answer haven't been answered. And Jennifer, you gave me the key, and of course it's in the Bible, but you gave me the key from science. Science has proven we have two brains. Explain that.
Jennifer Clark: Well in 1999, a gastroenterologist discovered that we have a second nervous system that he called a second brain, and where this is located is in the gut. It's neurons that are in sheaths that line our entire intestinal, our stomach, our esophagus, our bowels, and this is our emotional processor, that our gut. We have a thinking brain and we have an emotional brain and our emotional brain tells our thinking brain how we feel.
Sid Roth: Dennis, you told me it is possible to live in the Spirit 24/7. You told me it's possible to develop your spirit to such a point that you have discernment whether someone is telling the truth or not. Tell me how that works with you.
Dennis Clark: In every case from the very inception is a baby Christian. When I would be communing with God, and I just love being in his presence, and I would see a face flash before my mind and I would lose that peace. And the Lord spoke to me and he said, "Don't let anything come between what you and I have together". So I learned just as a principle of not having anything between us, and so any negative emotion, whether it was anger toward a foreman at work or what have you, was coming between me and my Jesus. So I learned at an early place to just release forgiveness and the ugly emotion would go, but I could still picture that foreman without the poison. And I saw that forgiveness has to flow, we know it's Matthew 18, but forgiveness has to flow from the heart. And when forgiveness flows from the heart the internal evidence is peace. And from the place of peace you discern everything going around you, good or bad.
Sid Roth: You know what, studio audience, I don't know about you, I'm experiencing that peace as he's talking. Are some of you catching that? How would you say emotional health is so linked to physical health? I mean, I said the statistic by CDC.
Dennis Clark: We saw it primarily when spent a number of years traveling church to church. We would see people who were dealing with just really repenting and releasing forgiveness to mothers, fathers, issues of life, and they were pleasantly surprised by physical healings that they weren't even pursuing at that point in time. And I said, there's the connection between the emotional freedom and health in general, yes, but we saw the manifestation of actual physical healing. The one that really amazed me was a person, a young man received forgiveness for his father. He said he always tried to forgive his father for years. He was sincere, but doing it from his head. When I taught him how to release it from his heart, he just sobbed and released it. Peace was in evidence after the forgiveness and he was instantly healed of color blindness. Now even Jennifer said with all her counselor training, no one would have linked that. If God knit us together in our mother's womb, I trust him to see where the tangles are because they're beyond our training.
Sid Roth: Jennifer, how does this work with marriage?
Jennifer Clark: One of the most wonderful stories is a couple who got divorced, worked through the 60-day challenge individually. After their issues were dealt with they were able to fall back in love and remarried.
Sid Roth: I'd say that is supernatural. Now if it's okay with you, only if you're interested, when we come back, can I have them equip you how to have that supernatural toxic emotion be set free? I mean, you can do this lifetime of garbage, get rid of in less than two months and then you become you normal, normal as defined by the Bible.
Sid Roth: Dennis, doctors tell us stress is really bad. It causes all sorts of problems. But what do you say?
Dennis Clark: I say stress can be a friend. It can tell you that Jesus isn't ruling at that point in time. And stress is actually, by definition, this is for the men who don't have emotions or think they don't, stress means you're emotionally controlled by people or circumstances. Got to add one more. And you cannot be stressed and trust God at the same time. It's a physiological and spiritual impossibility.
Sid Roth: Okay. I want you to teach us how you get in touch with your spirit, how you can stay in your spirit, where the spirit is, please.
Dennis Clark: Okay. The 60-Day Challenge, by the way, is named after Jennifer, so I'm going to show you exactly the way I did it with Jennifer, who was extremely cerebral. And the first thing I showed her to do was when you close your eyes you focus down here in the gut, the belly area. That surprised her as it was. Then I saw that she was, but what about, and I said, back down, because she got right back up in her head with questions and analysis. And I said, "Jennifer, put your hand here. And as long as your hand is here you're going to be able to use your mind, but I'm going to get you to focus on your heart". And by the way, this is your Bible heart. This is not your Bible heart. This is your Bible heart. It will change your life. This is where you function from. All right.
Jennifer Clark: And what amazed me was he said, "Yield to Jesus". And then he said, "That feeling you're feeling, that's the peace of God. That's the fruit of the Spirit. That's where we're supposed to live. That's how we know we're abiding in the vine is that peace, and that peace is a river that will carry you effortlessly through life and it's meant to. It's a gift. Jesus never takes it away from you. You can always get back there.
Sid Roth: So how do we drop down? Explain.
Dennis Clark: All right. When you drop down, you basically pay attention. You use your mind. You don't through your mind out. But you pay attention. And you minute you feel peace, and for the benefit of you men, nothing, there's people who would give their life savings to feel nothing. They live in low grade anxiety all day long, even if they're a quite person. That anxiety is not prayer and it's not presence in Jesus.
Jennifer Clark: This is so easy that even little children can learn to live in the peace of God and quickly deal with any toxic emotions that come up. And it's a matter of changing your focus down to Jesus in you. That's where the Glory is. That's where the power is.
Dennis Clark: Where he supplies all of your need. You want to see your promises come to pass. He supplies all of your needs according to his riches in Glory. It's available and it's Jesus in you, Messiah in you, the whole Glory.
Sid Roth: You use this analogy of a well with a bucket.
Dennis Clark: Yes. Actually, we use this for the third graders when we teach it.
Sid Roth: We need that.
Dennis Clark: That's the way to start. We say it's like a bucket. When you drop your bucket you feel peace. When you get back up into your head, your anxious motor down here starts rolling.
Jennifer Clark: Tell him what the little boy said.
Dennis Clark: A little third grader says, "Well of course we know that". He says, "Everyone knows there's no living water in your head".
Sid Roth: Okay. Dennis, I really want you to get a volunteer from our audience and demonstrate this.
Dennis Clark: It's easier to do it than to talk about it.
Jennifer Clark: Somebody with a serious issue.
Dennis Clark: Somebody with a serious emotional issue, traumas that come back and forth every now and then.
Sid Roth: There's someone there. Come up.
Dennis Clark: Okay. And actually, by discernment I can feel she's experiencing it right now. Come on up.
Sid Roth: I love this. When you train your spirit and you literally can discern now, you know how important this discernment is? What's your name?
Teresa: Teresa.
Dennis Clark: Teresa, see, I'm going by discernment, so I'm cheating. But what's important is that she knows what's going on. But I can feel the pain right now, a particular person or situation. Close your eyes, because when you close your eyes you have a tendency to drop down. Person or situation, I want you, can you tell us what it is? Just one situation, one person.
Teresa: Can it be me?
Dennis Clark: Yes.
Teresa: Me.
Dennis Clark: It's herself. When you think of yourself in a particular situation, is it a particular situation? Okay. Put your hand down here.
Jennifer Clark: This is key to let yourself feel the toxic emotion.
Dennis Clark: Every thought has of course a body emotion, but for Jesus to take it, you offer it momentarily. You feel the feeling? Nod your head. Okay there it is. Now let, allow Jesus in you, the forgiver, to go through that feeling and right through it. This is John 7:30, "Out of my belly flows a river of living forgiveness". In your case, you're receiving forgiveness for yourself. If it was someone else, it would flow out. I drink in from down here. I drink in forgiveness. Did it change the peace already? Yes. You can't fool me because I could feel your spirit. And with little children, they do it just this fast. What we've missed in the church is something so simple, and it's right in your Bible, Matthew 18, "Unless we forgive from the heart". And we are so sincere when we feel it from the head and then we battle with it for years. We see the countenance change. We see this on third graders, second graders. Now where that peace now resides, nobody can take it away when God leaves. Feel like yourself now?
Teresa: Better.
Dennis Clark: Better.
Jennifer Clark: When God leaves his peace it's permanent.
Dennis Clark: He himself is our peace and he never leaves us. You have to actually get in your head and leave him, in a sense.
Sid Roth: I have a question for you. It's an important question. Take a look at Jennifer. You heard what she was like. How would you like to be like her in 60 days? How about you?