Sid Roth - Supernatural Stories with Smith Wigglesworth's Great-Granddaughter
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. I have read of the great men and women of faith. One in particular intrigues me so much. His name, Smith Wigglesworth. He had some of the most outrageous miracles I ever heard of in my life. Let me give you one example. Some parents had a two-month-old baby dying in the hospital. The parents kidnapped the child, took the child to a Smith Wigglesworth meeting, and Smith looks at the child, looks at the parents and says, "Can I do what God tells me to do"? Well what would you do? The child is dying, anyway. He takes the baby, two-month-old, throws the baby against the wall. The baby, then the baby is on the floor. Have you ever seen someone play soccer? Have you ever seen them kick a soccer ball? He does that with the baby. The baby falls into the congregation. No crying. Is it dead? One hundred percent healed. No problem. Now, we are so honored. We have the great-granddaughter of Smith Wigglesworth and she's going to talk when that same fire that was on Smith came upon her and she says, if you will believe she wants to release that same fire on you.
Sid Roth: You know Lil, I can't imagine what it was like growing up in your home where your mother lived very close to your great-grandfather.
Lil de Fin: Sid, she told me one of her favorite nights was Wednesday night, and on Wednesday night, the family would go to Grandpa Wigglesworth's house, and she said the presence of God was so strong in that house.
Sid Roth: There's something about your great-grandfather I've always wondered. He was a pretty rough person. He would punch people that were dying, in the stomach. He would kick them. Do you know why he did that?
Lil de Fin: Well my mum and dad explained to me that he operated in the discerning of spirits, very strongly, and so when he was praying for the sick, he would see the demonic spirit behind the sickness, and that's what he was punching. That's what he was hitting. But sometimes...
Sid Roth: He punched people in the stomach.
Lil de Fin: He did.
Sid Roth: That's where the spirit was, the demon was.
Lil de Fin: Yes.
Sid Roth: I get it.
Lil de Fin: Yes. Sometimes he said he would be praying for the sick and he would see a pair of hands go and he would put his hands on the Lord's hands, and healing took place.
Sid Roth: What was your home like when one of the kids got sick?
Lil de Fin: We lived in the Congo. My mum and dad were missionaries there. There were no doctors. There were no hospitals. My dad wasn't a doctor.
Sid Roth: So if God didn't yield you'd be dead.
Lil de Fin: My mum wasn't a nurse. She would just call my dad and together they would pray for us. We would fall asleep and wake up well. That's all we knew.
Sid Roth: That's enough. Not only was healing normal in your home, the supernatural was normal. Tell me about that house without any furniture, in Zambia.
Lil de Fin: Well mum and dad had to leave the Congo when the war came, and we found ourselves in Zambia. We rented a home, but we had no furniture. And one day, mum and dad went out to pray for somebody. And I was about 15 at the time. I was alone at home and this big furniture van arrived. The said, "Is this where the Reverend Barry lives"? I said, "Yes, it is". And so they said, "Well just sign here". I signed and I opened the doors, and in came the furniture. And I said the lounge furniture will go there, the dining room there, the bedroom there, lamps, kitchen, a stove, a fridge, everything we needed came into the house, and I had just signed for it. And my mum and dad came home, and they walked in, and they said, "Lil, what have you done"?
Sid Roth: What did you do?
Lil de Fin: I was used to God providing. I learned something that day, Sid.
Sid Roth: What?
Lil de Fin: I learned that if you sign for it, it's yours.
Sid Roth: I like that.
Lil de Fin: If you see it in the Word of God, sign for it. If you see healing is in the Word of God, sign for it, it's yours. If you see a miracle of finance, sign for it, it's yours.
Sid Roth: Tell me about a guest that I've had on this show. His name is Jack Sheffield. You know him well. He tells me you prayed for him and the same fire on Smith Wigglesworth came on him. Do you remember when it came on you?
Lil de Fin: When we get baptized in the Holy Spirit, we get baptized with the fire as well. We've got the fire of God on us and in us. All I need to do is activate that in people's lives.
Sid Roth: Well a little later on in the show, will you do that?
Lil de Fin: We'll do that.
Sid Roth: I'm looking forward to it. Now, Jack says that he has tremendous miracles since the fire was activated in him.
Lil de Fin: I've prayed for many people, Sid, and they go and do far greater things than I've ever seen.
Sid Roth: One of the things you talk about is you ask God for significant miracles. What's a significant miracle?
Lil de Fin: It's a miracle that everybody would know about. I was invited to Kenya to help a church in a very poor area, and they said would I go for a week and help the church grow. And so when we got there, we prayed in the first meeting that God would give us a significant miracle. We also prayed that they would put on a roof on the church because it's going to take faith. They couldn't afford, nobody in that village could afford to put a roof on a church that size. We said, "God, by the end of this week, would you please finance the roof for this church". Well in that first meeting there was a young boy about 10 or 12. He came up with his little sister of about five and he said to me, "She can understand everything we tell her to do, but she cannot speak. She's never spoken". And I knew this was the significant miracle because the whole village knew this little girl. So we prayed for her that night. We rebuked that damned spirit. And then the next evening I said, "Is that young girl in the meeting"? And the crowd says, "Yes, yes, yes"! And they brought her forward. And so I thought I would have to teach her how to speak, and so I said, "Say mama". And she rattled off something and they all began to laugh. I said, "What did she say"? They said, she said, "I don't have to say mama like a baby. I can talk big talk like my big brother now".
Sid Roth: Well I would imagine that traveled throughout the village.
Lil de Fin: Well it did.
Sid Roth: I would call that a significant miracle.
Lil de Fin: Yes.
Sid Roth: But what happened?
Lil de Fin: So the church was filling up and then the very last meeting we had, there was a very nicely dressed, elderly gentleman, and he came up to me and he said, "I have been away from my village for many years. I went away to work". And he said, "I've come home and I see this church needs a roof, and I am going to pay for the roof".
Sid Roth: You know, I've read about this, but I want to ask Lil a question when we come back. In 1939, Smith Wigglesworth saw the future of all the moves of God. I want to find out exactly what was prophesied and where we are right now on the moves of God's spirit, when we come back.
Sid Roth: Lil, someone told me you basically used to be a shy person.
Lil de Fin: I was really shy because being born in the bush I didn't meet many people. Of course, being a pastor's daughter, people ask you, would you do something, would you give a testimony. I heard myself saying no, no, I can't do that. And I got so tired of hearing myself say no. And so I said, "God, the next thing you ask me to do I'm going to say yes". Well guess what happened? A pastor phoned me and said, "Lil, it's Mother's Day on Sunday and I felt the Lord said, I must ask you to come and preach in my church".
Sid Roth: He knows how to set us up.
Lil de Fin: You know, in those days we had those old fashioned phones with the wire connected to the desk. I remember putting that wire behind my back so he couldn't hear, and I said, "God, I can't believe you". Then I took the phone back and I said, "I'll be there, Pastor. Thank you very much". Because I had said it. If I had said no there, I would not be sitting here today.
Sid Roth: God said, "If I can trust you in little things, I will trust you in big things". 1939, your great-grandfather hears from God, prophesies what's going to happen in the future. What did he say?
Lil de Fin: He prophesied that after the war there would be a healing revival and there was.
Sid Roth: Yes.
Lil de Fin: And then he prophesied there would be a charismatic revival and there was. Amongst many of the denominational churches, the Holy Spirit fell. And then he said, "I see people going to church with pens and notepads". And that was the word of faith movement.
Sid Roth: The teaching.
Lil de Fin: That's right. And then he began to say, "I see it. I see it". He said, "I see the greatest," imagine this, "the greatest revival the world has ever seen".
Sid Roth: And you know what, I see that, too. Now, God spoke to you, to you personally and said you would have a part in it. What did he tell you?
Lil de Fin: He stood by my bed one night and he said, "I'm going to do a work in your day, which even if it were told you, you would hardly believe it". And every day, I said, "Tell me, Lord, tell me, Lord, I'll believe it, I'll believe it".
Sid Roth: Well you and I are going to see it very soon. You are going to see it very soon. So you're speaking, praying for a group of doctors in Switzerland and God shows up again. What happened?
Lil de Fin: They asked me to open in prayer, and as I said, "Father," that's all I said, I went into a vision and I saw Jesus sitting in a chair, and we were sitting around him and he looked at me, and he said, "Tell me your stories". In this last move of God, in this mighty revival that's coming there will be so many stories. There will be so many testimonies and we need to know when we tell our testimony and when we tell her story, we're telling him, and his anointing is on that. And when we tell our story in our testimony it brings people to Jesus. It brings people of other faiths to Jesus and everybody must begin to tell their stories. Tell your neighbor. Tell your neighbor your testimony. Tell the people in your street what Jesus has done, the people in the shops where you are, I want to say to you, tell your stories. Heaven is listening to you and the anointing of God will be on you. You will be a soul winner because we are in the days when it souls, souls, souls, souls! Miracles are important. God wants you to heal and he wants you well, and he wants you to tell people about it because it's time for souls, souls, souls.
Sid Roth: Lil, you raise up teams of people, and there was a team that went to a hospital ward, and what happened?
Lil de Fin: Okay, this was very recent. And the team went into the hospital, and they were just going from bed to bed, can we pray for you, can we pray for you. Everybody said yes. Everybody said yes until they got to one man and he just said no thank you. So they just left him and they went to the next bed and they prayed for each bed, and then they left. Well two days later, they thought they'll go back and see how the patients are. When they got to the ward it was absolutely empty except for one man in the bed, and he said, "You're the team that came to pray the other day". He said, "Please come and pray for me". He said, "They'll all healed and they've all gone home".
Sid Roth: Could you imagine if everyone there, the ward was healed except you and you're the only one that said, no, I don't want prayer. You couldn't wait for them to come back. When we come back, I want to hear a couple of the many, many secrets of the power of Smith Wigglesworth that you were told, and then I want you to pray for the fire to come on everyone that wants this. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Lil, tell me a couple of secrets of your great-grandfather's power that were significant to you.
Lil de Fin: Well I think many people have read the books and they know that he never went to school because in those days the children were sent to the mill to work while they were little children, so he was six when he went to work. So he never learned to read and write, but his wife taught him how to read and write. And the secret of his faith was that he learned to read the Word of God and it was the only book he ever read. And he said he would like to read it aloud because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. So he was a man of great faith. Secondly, he would take communion every day. He said it was the great exchange. It was an exchange of his life for the life of Jesus. He was often heard to say, "Oh, he's a lovely Jesus". He loved Jesus. And then my dad told me that it didn't matter what subject he started on, he would always end up about the Holy Spirit. He loved the Holy Spirit. I'll tell you this quickly. One day there was a man in a wheelchair and he said to the man, "What's up"? That's how they would talk. "What do you want me to pray for"? He thought he would say, "I want to walk". But this man said, "I want the Holy Spirit". Grandpa was so thrilled, he prayed for him to have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit fell on him and he jumped up healed.
Sid Roth: You know, there's been so many reports of you praying for people to have the fire. But as you explained it, you're just praying for the fire that's already in us to be released. And when that fire is released, then all the gifting that God has ordained for us, that's why everyone won't be the same, everyone won't be, that gets the fire, won't be like your great-grandfather, everyone won't be like you, won't be like me, but will be the fingerprint that you need, fingerprint that God made you. You are fearfully and wonderfully made by a God who is wonderful. Would you pray for the release? Now if you're born from above, that means you've told God you're sorry for your sins, you believe the blood of Jesus has washed them away and you have made with your mouth and to the best of your ability, your heart, Jesus is Lord and confess that with your mouth. Do it right now. Take 15 seconds, just as I'm speaking, you are qualified to be filled with the Holy Spirit and fire, according to the Word of God. Lil, would you pray?
Lil de Fin: Yes. Let me just say this. When Elijah had the altar already and he called on God for the fire, it burnt up that sacrifice, it burnt up the water. The scripture says this: it even burnt up the dust. And when the fire of God comes it burns up the dust in our lives. It makes way for the river of God to flow because the Holy Spirit wants you to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils. He wants you to have the fire of God. And if you want that, all over the world, whoever is under the sound of my voice, I want you to put your hand on your belly right here like this, and I speak fire on you in Jesus's name. I say fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Receive the fire of God in Jesus's name! Right now, it's yours! Thank you, Lord.