Sid Roth - I Was Delivered from Homosexuality
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth. I'm at beautiful Redding, California, but not here for the beauty. I am here because there are miracles taking place, over a thousand. The question I have for you is, can demons cause homosexuality? My guest says yes, because he was delivered of one, next, on this edition of It's Supernatural.
Sid Roth: Hello, I'm Sid Roth, your investigative reporter, and I have an individual here you won't believe your eyes. I'm mean, when I tell you what he did, what he is today, this person was on the streets. He was homeless. He was a drug addict. He would have one-night stands with men so he'd have some place to sleep. From a young age, he knew he was a homosexual and is hopeless about the best word to describe where you were at?
Ken Davies: Yes, absolutely.
Sid Roth: What's it like to be on the streets and have to do the one-night stands?
Ken Davies: Hopeless. It's a life that is degrading. There's no future in it. It's just like a darkness, a dark tunnel ahead of you with nothing there.
Sid Roth: Tell me about the first time you realized you were homosexual.
Ken Davies: I began to realize that probably around the age of 12, 13, and I just noticed that my sexual desires were not going the way that they should. Other guys were starting to get interested in girls and I discovered that my attraction was for other guys.
Sid Roth: What about women? Were you remotely interested in a beautiful woman?
Ken Davies: Not at all. Just the thought of sex with a woman was repulsive to me. There was no desire there whatsoever.
Sid Roth: Now, I find that there's some similar traits with people that are homosexual and that is, in many cases either the father is abusive or absent. What about your case?
Ken Davies: Absent. He was a great provider physically, but he was a guy who was gone from 5:30 every morning until 7, 7:30 every night six days a week, and so emotionally he wasn't there and I had no one to show me how to be a boy, how to grow up and be like other guys and I just really felt like, hey, I was not one of the guys. I didn't fit in. There was something wrong with me.
Sid Roth: How old were you when you have your first homosexual affair?
Ken Davies: 13 years old.
Sid Roth: Now, while you were living at home? While you were growing up did your parents even have a clue that you were homosexual?
Ken Davies: No, they didn't, and neither did anyone else.
Sid Roth: Why?
Ken Davies: I was ashamed. I wanted to be like other people. I knew that this wasn't right and I'd heard jokes about it and it was horrifying to me to have these homosexual feelings and desires, and yet, they were overwhelming. They were overpowering. There was nothing I could do about them.
Sid Roth: But the most recent data, at least according to the newspapers, is that it's got to do with genes. You have no responsibility.
Ken Davies: That's not true. I've come to learn that it has as much to do with the environment that you've been raised in, the perception you have of yourself as a guy and how you fit in with other guys, and everything to do with as God created us to get to that age where our sex hormones kick in and we want the other because we have a sense of who we are as a guy. That was never developed in me. I didn't feel like I belonged. I didn't feel like I fit in, and so I wasn't sufficiently resolved in my gender identity to reach out to the other and so something in me was reaching out to resolve that same-sex issue, to just feel like I'm one of the guys.
Sid Roth: That hopeless point was reached a point where you've reached the bottom. Tell us about that.
Ken Davies: I just hit the bottom to where I knew that either I had to do something or basically die at some point, and I just cried out to Jesus. I had asked him into my heart when I was 9 years old. I was 26 at this point and I just broke and said, "Lord, if you will get me out of where I'm at now I will serve you the rest of my life". And I meant it with all my heart.
Sid Roth: And then you heard a voice.
Ken Davies: Yes: a voice that was relentless. For the next three days this voice kept going throiuhg my head, call your dad, call your dad, call your dad'.
Sid Roth: Did you?
Ken Davies: Well, it took me three days, but yes, I did. On the third day I finally gave in and called him.
Sid Roth: Slow learner!
Ken Davies: I was ashamed.
Sid Roth: So, you called your dad. Did you tell him the truth?
Ken Davies: Yes. I told him that I was at rock bottom, I needed help, and he had me here and ready, and that afternoon. I was in Dallas, Texas at that time and he had me here that day. The next day I was working for him and I didn't know I'd be working with a pastor eight hours a day, five days a week.
Sid Roth: What happened to your drug addiction?
Ken Davies: I stopped. I just had the ability to stop. I'd used drugs every day...
Sid Roth: No, no, wait, wait. There's withdrawal.
Ken Davies: No.
Sid Roth: Yes, there is!
Ken Davies: There was no withdrawal. There was like a daily desire here, but it was not withdrawal. I was just you know, with Jesus every time, and...
Sid Roth: And where did you stand with the homosexual part?
Ken Davies: Where did I stand with that? It was still there. I didn't really know what to do about it at that time. I just, was just, you know, in a part of my life where the Lord was showing me how much he loved me, where I was learning about him, and the love of the father for me, and what he had for me.
Sid Roth: You went to Bethel church...
Ken Davies: Yes. Sid.:....And you got involved in the community. You still had these problems, and you went to one of the counselors. Why did you go to the counselor for help?
Ken Davies: Why did I go to him? Actually, it just got to a point where I had enough of the foundation under me that I knew I was loved by God no matter what, I knew that I had to talk about this with someone and I trusted him. There was for some reason I knew I could trust this pastor and I went to him and just poured it all out, just a lifetime of that pain and agony, the shame, the embarrassment. I just poured it out.
Sid Roth: And so, did the homosexual thoughts disappear as a result to this?
Ken Davies: No, they didn't. No, they increased.
Sid Roth: Oy vey!
Ken Davies: They intensified. Pardon me?
Sid Roth: That's a Hebrew word. Don't worry. 'oy vey' is a Hebrew word and we'll be back right after this.
Sid Roth: Hello, I'm Sid Roth, your investigative reporter and I'm speaking to Ken Davies. Now, Ken Davies was a practicing homosexual, a drug addict, on the streets. One night stands. Nowhere to go. Homeless, crying out to God and heard a voice that said, "Return to your father". He didn't want to do it because he was ashamed. He didn't want his father to know that he was a homosexual, and so, but he did return. You didn't know who that voice was! And when he returned, the man he was working with when he went to work for his father was a minister. And this minister prayed with him. He got delivered instantly from drugs! No withdrawal! And he was able to abstain from homosexuality. However, it didn't stop these thoughts, and so he went for counseling in a church and you said the thoughts got even worse after the counseling, and then one day you went to a meeting at Bethel church, and what happened?
Ken Davies: Well, I went to a singles meeting and I wasn't able to go to these meetings very often, and so I went in. It was a Monday night. I went in and the pastor came up, pastor alan ray, and before worship started he stood up before all of us and said, "There's someone here tonight and the Lord told me in prayer before this meeting that you were going to be delivered from a dominating spirit of homosexuality".
Sid Roth: And you knew it was you.
Ken Davies: I knew it was me.
Sid Roth: But it takes a lot of courage! You've been a member of this church for a little while.
Ken Davies: Three years.
Sid Roth: Three years! What do you do? You're kind of caught.
Ken Davies: Caught. Well, I just sat there and said, "God, I will not let you. I'm not going to let you pull me up in front of all these people and do this"!
Sid Roth: Yeah! I can see you saying that!
Ken Davies: And so, anyway, I fight God all through the worship, the message. It got to the end of the message and there was an altar call, and that altar call was whatever the Lord is calling you to lay down. Just lay it down where you can and come up here and worship. And so I said, "Okay, Lord, I can do that easy enough". And I made sure I was about the tenth person up there and I worshiped God and didn't feel any different or anything like that, but that night when I went home and I went to bed, there was something dramatically different and that was that there were no homosexual feelings.
Sid Roth: Are you telling me that without you even walking up when he said that, you got set free?
Ken Davies: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Sid Roth: We serve a pretty awesome God!
Ken Davies: Yes, we do.
Sid Roth: So how did you feel when you realized those thoughts weren't there?
Ken Davies: It was, like I went, 'Lord, show me what you did! Jesus, what did you do?' and I asked him that and the next thing I know there's this distorted-looking creature just coming out of nowhere. It looked like a distorted little weird-shaped person, just came out of nowhere and just hit me and all of those desires and feelings were back instantly. And I just cried out to the Lord, "No, Lord! No"! And two other guys all dressed in white just came out of nowhere and they just came and they took hold of this thing and off they went with him.
Sid Roth: It was like angels.
Ken Davies: Angels, yes. And, you know, one thing that I noticed is that this thing is coming back and as he hit me there was a look of murder in his face like actually that was on his way out, excuse me. The look on his face was pure ugly, like, 'i get my gratification through you. I have you back and I will be gratified, and I will have all of my gratification in you and through you.' and on his way out I can see those eyes and they were pure murder. This thing wanted me dead and it was mad that it was on its way out. And they just the angels just took this thing out and away and the next thing I know, I'm standing before Jesus and he's on the cross. He looks up at me and says, "Ken, just lay it down. There's nothing that my blood won't cover". And to this day I couldn't tell you whether this was real or a vision, but to me it was just as real as I'm looking at you right now. It was that real.
Sid Roth: I believe it was real. I believe you saw into the spirit realm.
Ken Davies: Yes. I do, too.
Sid Roth: And I believe that if you did not hold up the name of Jesus, you would have been worse than you were before.
Ken Davies: Yeah.
Sid Roth: But, after that word of knowledge...
Ken Davies: Yes!
Sid Roth: ...After that experience, those thoughts tell me about them.
Ken Davies: They weren't there any longer. They were completely gone. I no longer had homosexual thoughts or feelings. They were absolutely, literally gone. But I didn't have any feelings the other way, either, heterosexually, and what I had to do was, I talked to Alan Ray the following week and told him what had happened and we just got plugged in to some more discipleship, and over the course of the next year I grew into my masculinity in a new way. I grew into it with other guys. I got plugged in with other guys and, actually, the Lord had me disciple a group of 15 single guys, and I had to go in every week and disciple them, teach them, learn to become one of them, be loved by them, and out of that is where things began to change. As I began to be secure in my identity as a guy, I began to have this desire to meet a girl. There's this certain girl that I had a desire to meet.
Sid Roth: Really?
Ken Davies: Yes, I was, at that point...
Sid Roth: This is new for you!
Ken Davies: Yes! Very new!
Sid Roth: So what did you just walk up to her and say, "I have a certain desire to.".. What'd you do?
Ken Davies: Well, what happened was, at that point I was interning at the church. This was about a year after my deliverance. I was a pastoral intern at Bethel and Donna was one of our pastor's secretaries. For some reason I just something was clicking there. I wanted to know this girl, and so I would go see her pastor, or the pastor she worked for three or four times a week, so I would have to have to pass by her desk.
Sid Roth: Oh! You're making up for lost ground, I can tell.
Ken Davies: One day Donna was in the bookkeeper's office and I had to go in for something and I left and the bookkeeper said, "Now, what do you think of Ken Davies? Would you like to go out with him"? And she said, "Yes! I wouldn't mind that at all". And so after Donna left the bookkeeper trots down the hall, as she says, and walks into pastor Alan's office and says, "Alan, I think we need to set these two up". And a week later we had our first date.
Sid Roth: I'll tell you what. We're going to take a break right now. We'll be right back, and how would you like to meet Donna? We'll have her with us when we come back in a few seconds.
Sid Roth: Hello, I'm Sid Roth, your investigative reporter and I know you're on the edge of your seat because you want to meet Donna Davies. Well, this is Donna.
Donna Davies: Hello.
Sid Roth: Donna, the two of you are obviously married now. You have, how many children?
Donna Davies: Two children.
Sid Roth: How old?
Donna Davies: One is 16 and one is 4.
Sid Roth: And the 4-year-old is from this marriage here?
Donna Davies: Yes.
Sid Roth: And I guess you just lived happily every after?
Donna Davies: No.
Sid Roth: I was wondering which one was going to answer that question. No?
Donna Davies: No, we didn't.
Ken Davies: We got married and immediately we started clashing. We had a lot of problems we needed to work through and the first two years of our marriage were literal hell.
Sid Roth: Here you finally the first time in your life you've fallen in love with a woman, now it becomes literal hell! Well, how did it change?
Ken Davies: Well, we had a lot of work to do.
Sid Roth: Everyone's got a lot of work to do.
Ken Davies: We had some very broken areas in our background that we really weren't aware were there, and one was that I really didn't trust women at all, and Donna, on the other hand, didn't trust men at all.
Sid Roth: That sounds like an interesting combination.
Ken Davies: And so, you know, due to my background, my homosexual background, there were a lot of places where I was just kind of a boundary-less individual with other women. You know, just talking to them there weren't any boundaries there in that I didn't have then and still don't have a general attraction for the opposite sex. It's all centered right here. And so, I didn't see these needs for boundaries. I didn't understand that there needed to be tension between a man and a woman and that just scared Donna to no end.
Sid Roth: So, Donna, did you what'd you think about that?
Donna Davies: He reminded me of the men of my past. I had not good experiences with men and so I was really fearful and not trusting.
Sid Roth: What did God show you to do?
Ken Davies: He showed me, first of all, that I needed to have boundaries between myself and women, that there are natural boundaries between men and women, that there's a tension there that should be there, and believe me, I learned about that tension real quick. Then the Lord told me, "Ken, you cover her and you protect her".
Sid Roth: What do you mean? What do you mean by 'cover' and what do you mean by protect?
Ken Davies: Okay. Well, Donna's greatest fear was that I was like the other men in her past, which I wasn't, and so I did not understand her fears, her emotions, and instead of responding there with, "Oh, I see what you're feeling! I understand that. Let me protect you here, this place where you're vulnerable", I lashed out at her. I saw her as someone attacking me, calling me bad, and I lashed out.
Sid Roth: It was almost a setup.
Ken Davies: Yes!
Sid Roth: I mean, the devil said, 'i lost him to the homosexual spirit. Now I'm going to get him in a divorce.'
Ken Davies: Yes, exactly, and it was that bad. It was tough. We fought like cats and dogs for two years.
Sid Roth: What are you doing different now?
Ken Davies: I'm covering my wife. I am being the man that she needs me to be. I understand that she has a heart and vulnerabilities and emotions that I need to protect, and first and foremost that's my heart, is to cover her and protect her vulnerabilities as a woman.
Sid Roth: Give me an example. How do you protect and if it's not going to be too personal.
Ken Davies: No, it's not. There are areas where we have guys, a lot of times women will come in and we'll think they're all emotional and what they have to say has, you know, it's not all that important, it's all that feely woman stuff, and actually it's a very important part of who she is and to cover her and protect her is to mean that I hear her there, I don't ridicule her there, but I love her there and I give credence to what she has to say.
Sid Roth: How did you learn how to do this? Because it had to be learned.
Ken Davies: It had to be learned and it was actually a God thing there. Much of what I've learned coming out of homosexuality is, I had to go back to God's original intent for a man and woman, and in that I learned that there's a natural complementarity that God intended for man and woman and that in most men and women that has been broken and there's a hostility between the sexes. So it was out of that foundation that I had there, that the Lord had given me, things that I learned, that I knew I had to learn, how to cover this woman and love her right.
Sid Roth: I want you to make one suggestion to a husband that has marital problems right now, that's viewing us one suggestion.
Ken Davies: One suggestion?
Sid Roth: Yes.
Ken Davies: Obey God. Do what he says. One thing I have learned is that when there are marital problems, there were a lot of things that donna struggled with that weren't right, on a lot of the things she was feeling that weren't true, but it was my job to not lash out at her, but to cover her and protect her there, and it was my job as the man to initiate that first. She didn't have to change anything until I had changed and loved her.
Sid Roth: You got much more than one point there. That's pretty good. Donna, one point to a woman that's struggling right now in her marriage.
Donna Davies: to keep your eyes on the Lord Jesus, that for us we knew that the Lord had put us together and we were committed, and in staying committed and putting our eyes on Jesus, knowing that he'd seen us through everything else, he'd see us through this.
Sid Roth: Now the two of you excuse me but now the two of you are how's your marriage now?
Donna Davies: it's wonderful.
Sid Roth: I'm putting you on the spot.
Ken Davies: It's excellent. We've been married for seven years.
Sid Roth: Okay. Now, you minister together to people that are homosexuals, to help them be set free. Tell me about one person that comes to mind.
Ken Davies: Well, there's a young man that we ministered to last year, and he came to our office and Donna and I had met with him several times. One day he came over and prayed and we prayed with him, and the Lord just really began to reveal some things in his life that needed to be taken care of. And we ministered there, we prayed for him. It didn't look like anything had changed or anything was different. He comes back the next week and tells us, "You know, I haven't had a homosexual thought or struggle since the day we prayed". And that is still true to this day and it's been a year now.
Sid Roth: Is there anyone that is a lesbian or a homosexual that God will not forgive and God will not make normal?
Ken Davies: Absolutely not. Anyone who wants it, anyone who wants redemption, anyone who wants to be the man or the woman that God made them to be, they can be that.
Donna Davies: yes.
Ken Davies: And it's the father's pleasure. It's Jesus' pleasure to be that vessel.
Sid Roth: Would you pray for a homosexual or lesbian that is watching right now? Will this help, a short prayer?
Ken Davies: Sure!
Sid Roth: Look at the camera and pray.
Ken Davies: Father, I thank you that you are a father who cares. God, you know every, every sorrow in our heart. You know every pain. You know the shame, God. God, you know those things that we struggle with right now, deep in our hearts, those places where we feel like we've failed you, we feel like we've failed others. You know that. You're very aware of that, and you're a father who does hold us responsible there to fix that without someone showing us the way. You're a father who wants to come alongside of us. You're a father who wants to take us by the hand and say, 'i know you didn't get what you needed, and I want to give that to you. I want to show you how to grow up and be who I made you to be and walk out of this.' so, father, whoever that is out t here today who needs that word from you, that you're a God who loves us and that you sent your son to die for us and pay that price, God, I just pray that you reach in there and touch their heart right now, in Jesus' name, amen.
Sid Roth: That was a man that was hopeless. Today he is married, happily married, children, wonderful family, ministering to others with similar problems. Hopeless does not have to be in your vocabulary. You see, the opposite of hopeless is Jesus. Not just religious: Jesus. But intimacy with God through repentance of your sins, asking God to forgive you because of the blood of Jesus, and that blood, that precious blood, is more than enough. You can be free. Let no man lie to you. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. His name is Jesus. Reality. truth. No more hoplessness you're free.