Sid Roth - Holocaust Survivor Who Died and Came Back to Life
Sid Roth: This Jewish woman as a child was supernaturally protected during the holocaust to the point that even Hitler patted her on the head, not realizing she was a Jew, on this edition of It's Supernatural.
Sid Roth: Hello. I'm Sid Roth your investigative reporter. My guest Ilsa Bujold should not be here. You see, she was a Jew in Hitler's holocaust. And Ilsa, you were at a, was it a parade that Hitler was going by and how did he happen to even stop and single you out?
Ilsa Bujold: Because I started screaming from the top of my lungs.
Sid Roth: Why?
Ilsa Bujold: When I heard he was coming up, not knowing, I was getting very, very frustrated. We had been standing there for hours. And you know, a little girl, they don't like to be still that long.
Sid Roth: How old were you?
Ilsa Bujold: About five years old. And so when I heard he was coming, I started screaming. My mother held me, my father held me. Nothing stopped me. So he comes up in this big blue limousine, stops right in front of me, gets out, comes over, pets me over the head and said, "What a nice Aryan girl," not knowing I was Jewish.
Sid Roth: If he only knew. Just out of curiosity, that happened a lot of years ago.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: But do you remember what he looked like?
Ilsa Bujold: Yes. I never will forget it. He made a deep impression on me.
Sid Roth: Now but at that time you didn't know about the persecution or anything else.
Ilsa Bujold: No, no, no.
Sid Roth: Because he was probably just coming into power.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes, yes.
Sid Roth: Well how as a Jew did you survive?
Ilsa Bujold: Through a miracle, through just miracles. People told us, don't go to your house today. Go here or do this, or do that. Through a miracle I'm alive today.
Sid Roth: Now your mother also an interesting miracle of healing. Tell me about that.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: Tell me what happened to your mother.
Ilsa Bujold: My mother was very sick. She had kind of like a heart problem, and the doctor sent her home and told her, "Enjoy your three children. In three months you will be dead". And a missionary came to our door and talked to her about converting, and she figured, "Well I'm going to die in three months anyways, so I might as well receive Jesus as my personal Savior". And this missionary sent the doctor to our home who gave her some medicine. It was a white powder. Every day he came and my mother got totally well.
Sid Roth: Did you think the doctor healed her or God healed her, or what?
Ilsa Bujold: I thought the doctor healed her because I didn't believe in anything.
Sid Roth: Why? You're a Jew.
Ilsa Bujold: Well because of all the things that were going on around us. So I didn't think there was a God that loved us if all these things took place.
Sid Roth: What about your mother? Did your mother believe God healed her?
Ilsa Bujold: My mother believed, yes, yes. And we hated her. We made life miserable for her.
Sid Roth: So you survived the holocaust. You came to the United States. And why in the world does a Jewish woman that is an atheist end up in a Christian church?
Ilsa Bujold: Well it wasn't really a Christian church. My girlfriend, a catholic girl that I had known from Germany took me to this "Theater in the round", which was melody-land.
Sid Roth: That was a church and you didn't know.
Ilsa Bujold: I didn't know it was a church.
Sid Roth: Oh, I see.
Ilsa Bujold: I did not know.
Sid Roth: So you went to a theater in the round and what happened?
Ilsa Bujold: And they would talk about Jesus, and I said...
Sid Roth: What did you feel when you heard the name Jesus?
Ilsa Bujold: I didn't feel too comfortable.
Sid Roth: Why? You didn't believe in God. What difference does it make?
Ilsa Bujold: Well I didn't know. I was wasting, I felt I wasted my time going there, a guy that talks about himself and hides behind this Jesus. He had a Jesus crutch. And I said, I don't have to have a crutch. I'm a self-made businesswoman. And I wanted to leave, and my girlfriend wouldn't let me leave. And so the next week she called me again, and I had so many things to do. I had to collect the rent from our apartment house and do the books. And she said, "Well if you go with me one more time God will collect the rent for you". And I said, "Yeah, he's going to come down personally and collect all the rent". Well she talked me into it. I went with her one more time and she evidently had told some of the people there that I was Jewish, and they showed me so much love I couldn't help but fall in love with, not only them, but with Jesus, too, that they represented.
Sid Roth: Now you had a vision of Jesus. Tell me about that.
Ilsa Bujold: Well we people, Jewish people, we're very stubborn. We have to see a sign. And I didn't believe that he was the Jewish Messiah.
Sid Roth: But you just told me they loved you so much, you did believe.
Ilsa Bujold: I believed in their Messiah. I didn't believe in my Messiah.
Sid Roth: Oh you said, I see.
Ilsa Bujold: I believed he was still going to come. And so I said, "If you are really who you said you are, you reveal yourself to me". And he appeared to me.
Sid Roth: Really?
Ilsa Bujold: Yes, really.
Sid Roth: Now Ilsa.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes, really.
Sid Roth: Were you drinking?
Ilsa Bujold: No, I don't drink and I don't smoke.
Sid Roth: Drugs? Ilsa, no, don't do drugs either, never.
Sid Roth: He appeared to you.
Ilsa Bujold: Yeah.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that.
Ilsa Bujold: Well he all of sudden stood there, and he says, "I am the Messiah that you people are waiting for".
Sid Roth: What did he look like?
Ilsa Bujold: If I tell you how he looked like, he was absolutely very, very, very handsome. He had a face that nobody can put on paper, nobody can draw of him. He is so beautiful. That's why I think he says, in the Ten Commandments, "Thou shall make no graven images," because nobody would do him any justice. He was, out of his eyes streamed love. He was so beautiful and so soft-spoken. And you could tell that I don't know how to explain it, except that you fell in love with him without saying a word.
Sid Roth: And when he came to you, you then, you realized Jesus was the Jewish Messiah?
Ilsa Bujold: Then I knew. I knew that I had me the God of Israel.
Sid Roth: But most Jewish people feel Jesus isn't the Jewish Messiah.
Ilsa Bujold: Well they don't see it. But if he ever appears to them, they will know. They really will know.
Sid Roth: You're 99 percent sure or a hundred percent? Yes, because I saw, a 120 percent and more, because I saw him again.
Sid Roth: Well let's go to another part. One day you were in a retirement village where you were living, and you went swimming.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: And something horrible happened to you. What happened?
Ilsa Bujold: I went in a coma. My left side got darker and darker. I was drawn down more and more. And this man appeared to me.
Sid Roth: Wait. What caused that, physically?
Ilsa Bujold: A stroke, a very, very bad stroke.
Sid Roth: So you're swimming and you had a stroke.
Ilsa Bujold: I was swimming, yes. And then all of a sudden...
Sid Roth: Was anyone around?
Ilsa Bujold: Well nobody was around. I couldn't figure out why I swam and the other side didn't come any closer to me. And so I said, something must be wrong. So I stopped and I walked over, and I walked all the way up to the front, and I held on to the railing. And this lady came in and she said, "Hi Ilsa," and I said, hi. No, I didn't' say anything to her. And she said, "Are you okay"? And she took my glasses off, and at that time I went down, I would have drowned if she hadn't helped me up.
Sid Roth: And when you went down, what did she do?
Ilsa Bujold: She was holding up. And they called 911, and they took me to the emergency hospital.
Sid Roth: So you had this brain aneurism.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: And but you weren't really there. Something was going on with you. As a matter of fact, I want you to come back right after these words because you're going to find out about her visitation to heaven.
Sid Roth: Sid Roth back. I'm speaking to Ilsa Bujold, a miracle, because Adolf Hitler touched, just patted this little Jewish girl, not realizing she was a Jew. And through miraculous fashion, she survived the holocaust, came to America. But then she had a stroke in the water, a brain, was it, ilsa, a brain aneurism?
Ilsa Bujold: It was a brain aneurism and it was as big as a large lemon in the middle of my head.
Sid Roth: Okay. And you went down and it happened in the swimming pool. I mean, what an awful place for it to happen. If a neighbor hadn't just shown up that would have...
Ilsa Bujold: That's right,
Sid Roth: Been curtains for you.
Ilsa Bujold: I would have drowned.
Sid Roth: But so you went down. She pulled you out, called 911, ambulance came. But what was going on with you?
Ilsa Bujold: With me, I was going down more into darkness on my left side. And as I went down in my darkness in my side, I saw this man. He wore a suit, a white shirt, he had a cigar in his mouth and he had a hat on, and he said, "Ilsa, you belong to me". And I knew that wasn't Jesus.
Sid Roth: How did you know?
Ilsa Bujold: Because he had visited me a long time ago and talked to me. And so I said, "No, I don't. I belong to Jesus". So I thought, well I'm going to cover all my parts, and I'm going to talk to him. I'm calling him in Hebrew and in English. So I called him, "Abba, father, Jesus, Yeshua, Holy Spirit, ruach hakodesh," and I called again, "Yeshua, Yeshua, Jesus, Jesus"! And at that moment, I don't know how, but I wound up on the Sea of Galilee. And here he came with his beautiful royal robe on and he had his arms stretched out wide, and I just ran into them. And from that moment on, he had his hand on my shoulder all the time while we were walking. And we walked on the Sea of Galilee, and he told me all the things that were going to happen to this country if our country did not repent.
Sid Roth: What did he tell you?
Ilsa Bujold: He says, we have to repent from the highest top from our government and then told me, whenever there was problems with the Israelites when they lost the wars, it was sin in the camp, and that's what's wrong with our country. From the highest on up we have sinned and we have not taken the commandments serious, and we have murdered many innocent babies, and we have homosexuality and all kind, and most of all, we have a foreign God. We worship other gods. And it made him very unhappy, and he said that repentance starts in the church. And he wanted me to go to the church and tell them that, without repentance there is no revival. And then he showed me the terrible things again. There were firestorms, earthquakes, tidal waves, famine, I mean, what do you call it, famine.
Sid Roth: Yes, famine.
Ilsa Bujold: Famine, yes. And then it seemed to me like it was a nuclear holocaust because the people, all the skin came off their, from their flesh and the eyeballs kept coming out. And it was so horrible.
Sid Roth: You know, that reminds me, the Jewish prophet Zachariah has a description of just what you're saying, in the last days. And then what happened?
Ilsa Bujold: And then we went up to heaven. And Jesus has such a sense of humor. He is so funny, you know. And so we get up there and he said, "By the way, Ilsa, what tribe are you from"? And I said, "I'm from the tribe of Judah. You know that. I told you that a long time ago". And he told me, and so he said, "I'm the lion of Judah. I roar". And we laughed together. And then he said, "There's king David". He was dancing for him. And he says, "Go over and shake his hand. That's your brother". And so I did. And then I met the 24 elders sitting around the throne room, and I could not personally go in the throne room because there was too many flashing lights. And then we walked again, and we walked, and we walked, and then we saw the earth like a ball of, like this, and from the earth came shafts of light going up to the throne room, small one and little bigger, and a little bigger, and a real big.
Sid Roth: What were they?
Ilsa Bujold: And I said, "Lord, what are they"? And he said, "They are prayers for you". I said, "Prayers for me? Why are they prayers for me? I don't know that many people". And he said, "Yes you do". And then we walked again, and then we came the other way, and it was the music. I want to tell you something, if anybody really wants to go to heaven they must like Jewish things, because everybody in heaven is Jewish. Everything was Jewish.
Sid Roth: Well not everyone in heaven is Jewish.
Ilsa Bujold: No.
Sid Roth: Everything is Jewish, right.
Ilsa Bujold: Everything is Jewish. And the music of Zion, it was so beautiful and so peaceful. So I asked the Lord, "Do I have to go back down there"? And he said, "I cannot make up your mind for you. You have to do it. But let me show you something". And he says, "But your husband and your family, your children and your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren, they're crying for you". And then he showed me this screen, and he showed me everything that happened after I received him as my personal Savior.
Sid Roth: You saw your whole life.
Ilsa Bujold: My whole life rolled in front of me. And we got to a point where I said, "What am I doing up here"? I said, I haven't brought the homes, the prefabricated homes that I was going to bring for the Jewish people that are coming out of Russia and from all over the world. And when he heard that, he winked his eye and he snapped his finger, and he said, "Go back down to Zion and sound the trumpet".
Sid Roth: Ilsa, I have a question for you. This entire interview, there have been tears. Your eyes are all teary. How come?
Ilsa Bujold: Whenever I talk about Yeshua, my Savior, I get homesick for him. It's something that comes up in my innermost being, that I want to see him again, and I cannot help but cry.
Sid Roth: I have another question for you, Ilsa. The doctors gave you a 20 percent chance of survival and if you survived you'd be a vegetable the rest of your life from this aneurism. Why in the world would you come back to a body like that?
Ilsa Bujold: I don't know. I don't know. I guess when he said, "Blow the trumpet in Zion, I just knew in my heart that was his wish and I wanted to fulfill his command.
Sid Roth: I have a question for you, and the question that I have for you is, would you want to come back to earth when you had heaven, and go back to a body such as she had, where she would be a vegetable? Don't go away. We'll catch up on this story when I come back.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth back again with Ilsa Bujold. Ilsa had a brain aneurism and she was swimming. I mean, what a place to have a brain aneurism. She's fished out. They call 911. They bring her to the hospital. They say 20 percent chance of survival and if you survive you'll be a vegetable the rest of your life. Her family says, no, I'm going to hold on. And she slips out of her body, goes up to heaven and literally Jesus gave you a choice of staying there or coming back. But you knew in your heart you should come back. And you saw, you literally could see the prayers of loved ones coming.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes I did.
Sid Roth: What did the prayers look like?
Ilsa Bujold: It looked like rays of light, like shafts of light, small ones and big ones, and now bigger ones. And now everybody that hears me, listen, when you pray God hears your prayers.
Sid Roth: A lot of people feel that it's a waste.
Ilsa Bujold: No.
Sid Roth: But you're saying he sees them.
Ilsa Bujold: I saw them up there. They go straight in the throne room.
Sid Roth: So Jesus you want to go back to earth or not.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: And everyone I have talked to has not wanted to go back to earth. But you felt in your heart there was unfinished business. So you said yes, and then what happened?
Ilsa Bujold: And then we walked again. I knew in my heart he wanted me to do this work for him. And then we walked some more, and then he said, "Ilsa, you stay here. I have something to do". And I saw some man come, very good looking, very, dressed very rich, and he walked, they let me know that I couldn't see his face. And so Jesus walked over to him and the guy was very arrogant.
Sid Roth: Now this was like an evangelist?
Ilsa Bujold: I think so. I was made known that he was a televangelist, a pastor, and he says, "Well Jesus, I'm here". And so Jesus said to him, "What have you done for my people, the Jewish people"? And he said, "Oh, I opened eyes and I opened ears, and I did this, and I did that". And then there was a little pause, and the Lord said to him again, "What did you do for my people, the Jewish people"? And he says, "I did this and I did that, and I did this". There was a longer pause and all of a sudden all of heaven vibrated and he spoke with a very harsh voice, and he said, "Isaiah 40, 'comfort ye, comfort ye my people. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem. Say he's your God.'" he said, "I know you're not going in and out of darkness". And that kind of scared me. I couldn't figure out, Jesus was so nice to me, you know, we'd kid and we'd laugh, and to him, he was so harsh. And the Lord must have known what was in my mind, what I thought, and he said, "It's okay, don't worry about it". He says, "Now I want you to build the wall out of golden bricks". I didn't know for the longest time what he meant by that. But I do know now.
Sid Roth: What did it mean?
Ilsa Bujold: It means bring the Christians and the Jewish people together. Show the Christians that they have the Jewish root, that they have, if they are called Christians then they have to be Christ-like and they have to read the Bible and keep all the festivals and everything that it is in the Bible.
Sid Roth: All the festivals.
Ilsa Bujold: Festivals. And do not keep the pagan festivals.
Sid Roth: But what I want to know is when you came back into your body, what happened?
Ilsa Bujold: Then I was, well when I came back into my body I spoke perfect Hebrew. The people that were in my room...
Sid Roth: Did you know Hebrew?
Ilsa Bujold: No, only what I got from the temple, you know.
Sid Roth: Just a few words. But you were speaking perfect Hebrew.
Ilsa Bujold: Perfect Hebrew.
Sid Roth: How did you know perfect Hebrew?
Ilsa Bujold: I don't know.
Sid Roth: It was just a supernatural thing.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes, supernatural thing.
Sid Roth: Who was in the room when you came back?
Ilsa Bujold: A pastor and his wife from Bakersfield and Tammy, my writer that wrote the book for me now, and my husband. That was all that were there.
Sid Roth: And what did they think when you came back and started speaking?
Ilsa Bujold: They said, "Talk to us in English. We don't understand". And then I talked for a long time in Hebrew. And then finally I went back to the English.
Sid Roth: What did the doctors and nurses think?
Ilsa Bujold: It was a miracle.
Sid Roth: What did they say?
Ilsa Bujold: My doctor said to my husband, "I have a confession to make. I told you that your wife had a 15 percent chance. She didn't have any chance at all". He says, "I was lying to you about that". So I was the miracle of the whole hospital.
Sid Roth: Yes, but what was your physical condition? I mean, you look pretty good now.
Ilsa Bujold: I looked fine then.
Sid Roth: You looked fine.
Ilsa Bujold: Yeah, because...
Sid Roth: You had a brain aneurism.
Ilsa Bujold: I know.
Sid Roth: You're under the water. They said 15, 20 percent chance of survival. They lied to your family, you had no chance of survival, and you were normal?
Ilsa Bujold: Yeah. The Lord said to me just before I went down, he said to me, "And I want you to go to my Jewish people and tell them I love them, I really, really love them, three times. And he said, "Go back down and tell my Jewish people, I love them, I really, really love them". And then he said, "And I breathe some more love into you," and he went, and he blew some love into me. And then he says, "Now go back down", he says, "And ilsa, I will heal you completely". So I didn't ask when, how and why. And he said, "Before you go I want you to know I will be your cloud in the daytime and I will be your fiery pillar at night". And then I felt a suction that went whoosh, and was back in my body.
Sid Roth: Tell me, I mean, everything you're telling me is intriguing me, Ilsa. But tell me about when he blew love at you.
Ilsa Bujold: It came out of his eyes and out of his mouth, and it was so heavy that regardless, who would say anything about a Jewish person, I would take them, I would love them because he gave me such a supernatural love that I can't help giving it to them.
Sid Roth: Ilsa, you're crying again.
Ilsa Bujold: Yeah.
Sid Roth: Why are you crying?
Ilsa Bujold: Because I just saw, I remember how he blew that love into me, and it's a love that I cannot explain. It's a supernatural love.
Sid Roth: You know, the talk about peace treaties and the Middle East and peace treaties, and all around the world, I think all the world needs is love of God.
Ilsa Bujold: Love.
Sid Roth: Not the human love. Big difference between human love and the love that Jesus blew on you.
Ilsa Bujold: Yes.
Sid Roth: What about you? You know, it's wonderful that that happened to Ilsa. But what about you? I tell you, the Bible says God is no respecter of persons. Do you know what that means? That means he loves you as much as he loves Ilsa, as much as he loves anyone who has ever lived. And if you repent of your sins, that means turn from your sins, ask Jesus to forgive you and make him your Messiah and Lord, to live in you, and then begin to worship God. Tell him how much you love him. Say, God, blow on me like you did on Ilsa, with your love.