Sid Roth - Next Level of Intimacy
Sid Roth: Hello. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven. Well my guest heard from God. He heard about the last next outpouring of miracles that could very well be not just the next, but the greatest, and not just the next and the greatest, but the last outpouring of miracles before Jesus comes. And he heard, well I just heard something. I just heard that someone's neck has been healed and someone's back has just been healed. And pain in the hip area around here, you've just been healed. And he from God that many, if they don't do what God is going to explain to you, will miss this great outpouring of miracles. You know, when my guest, Robert Gay, was age 11, you provoke me to such jealousy. I mean, when I was 11, I didn't know my left hand from my right hand. He was raised in a Pentecostal home. And at age 11, he was filled with the Holy Spirit, but way beyond filled with the Holy Spirit. He could not speak English for how long?
Robert Gay: About a day, I couldn't actually speak in English.
Sid Roth: That's wonderful. What do you think about that? Were your parents concerned? Were you concerned?
Robert Gay: Well actually, what happened is I went to a youth meeting and just went with the intention of just being there at the youth meeting. And during the youth meeting they began to pray for people to actually receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit. And of course, I didn't know really what the infilling of the Holy Spirit was.
Sid Roth: Even coming from a Pentecostal home.
Robert Gay: Even coming from a Pentecostal home. I really didn't have an understanding because it wasn't regularly taught within our church. We were taught, adults were taught, you know, you need the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But as an 11-year-old boy, I really didn't have an understanding of that. So I went to this youth meeting and they began to pray for people to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And I remember just because they were laying hands on people, I thought that was what you were supposed to do. So I went up and laid my hands on people. And I remember this one lady in front of me, as she was praying for people to be filled with the Holy Spirit, she was shaking. And so I thought, well that's what you're supposed to do. So as a little 11-year-old boy, I just started shaking as I was praying for people. And then the next thing I know, she turned around and she explained this to everybody that was there, "I believe this little boy right here can get baptized in the Holy Spirit". And so she began to pray for me and they all began to pray for me, and I got baptized in the Holy Spirit. I went home that night. I could not speak in English. The only way I could really respond to my mother and father was just with a grunt. I went to bed speaking in tongues that night. Any time I would open my mouth to say anything, tongues would come out. The next morning, it continued even after I woke up, and I didn't really know exactly what all was going on. But I knew that I had had a genuine experience, a supernatural experience with God.
Sid Roth: It's so wonderful because that's a super, tongues is a supernatural language that you speak from your spirit, not from your mind, and you say things and pray things that God wants you to be praying. You might have been praying for your child that doctors said were dead inside your wife when she was pregnant, your little girl.
Robert Gay: Well that's correct. Of course, we don't know exactly what we're praying for whenever we pray in the Holy Spirit. But that's an interesting story and an interesting thing that took place. It was a supernatural experience, once again. My wife and I had actually received some prophetic words about having a daughter who would be a dancer in the house of the Lord. And this, back in February of 1988, is when we received those words. And then what began to take place is we received some other confirming words the next month in March. And then we found out my wife was pregnant. Not long after that, she began to bleed very heavily. She went to the doctor very concerned. Of course, we had already confirmed that she was pregnant and the doctor said, "You have a blighted ovum". And basically, what had taken place is pregnancy had happened and literally, the embryo had died within the sac and there was no life, there was no heartbeat. There was absolutely no sign of life whatsoever. And she called me from the doctor and said, "The doctor said that I have a blighted ovum and they want to do a D & C procedure. What should we do"? And I told her, I said, "We're not going to do anything other than we're going to believe the word of the Lord, and we're going to stand in warfare with the prophecy that we have concerning our child".
Sid Roth: The prophecy was that she was going to be a dancer today. She got healed. She was delivered normal. Is she a dancer today? Tell me about the dancing.
Robert Gay: Yes. When she grew up, first of all, she was born and then as she grew up she became a dancer. She became a competitive dancer. Today she actually heads up our arts and dance ministry at our church, and God is using her in a tremendous way. She stands up and prophesies the Word of the Lord.
Sid Roth: Wow. Tell me about your understanding of the New Covenant.
Robert Gay: Well you know, of course, I think there's some misunderstanding of the New Covenant and what actually that is. Of course, we know the New Covenant was ratified with the very blood of Jesus. Some have taken that to mean that because Jesus came, therefore the Ten Commandments are no longer relevant for us. But what I find and what I've taught people is that the Ten Commandments are still relevant for us today as New Covenant believers. Jeremiah talks about this and he says that there's a new covenant that would come. And this of course was before the New Covenant actually had come, before Jesus had come. And he actually says that the covenant is going to be different in this way, that the Law of God is going to be written upon our hearts. So one of the things that we have to understand is that in the New Covenant it didn't separate us from the Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact, it actually tied them to us, even to a greater level, because now the Law is no longer just written on a table of stone and imposed. Now the Law is written upon my heart and it now motivates me to live righteously. It motivates me to live a lifestyle of holiness before God.
Sid Roth: What did Jesus tell the rich young groomer?
Robert Gay: Well the rich young groomer came to Jesus and asked him a question concerning, what do I need to do to inherit eternal life? And it's very interesting, Jesus' response. And his response was this: "Keep the commandments. Keep the commandments". The commandments, of course, that he was referring to was actually the Ten Commandments. So Jesus actually said this: "The way that you experience abundant life, the way that you experience Zohar is by keeping the commandments". And so Jesus in no way ever disavowed any of the Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact, Jesus rearticulated them. And not only that, but Jesus took them to the next level.
Sid Roth: All right. I want you to go to the next level. I want you to have abundance in every area of your life. You are going to when you capture this revelation.
Sid Roth: I want you to find out the rabbinic understand behind the way Jesus, when he said, "If you'll do these two commandments you'll fulfill the Law". There was a rabbinic understanding. Explain that.
Robert Gay: Well actually, there was the Pharisees that came to Jesus, the lawyers came to Jesus, and they asked him, "What is the greatest commandment"? Of course, he said, "The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength". And he said, "The second one is to love your neighbor as yourself". And what was understood by Jewish theologians is that the Ten Commandments, they were originally written on two tablets. And the first tablet actually had to do with loving God and our relationship with the Father. And the second one had to do with loving our neighbor as our self. So whenever Jesus actually said these two commandments, he was actually reemphasizing and reinforcing all of the Ten Commandments. Because whenever you love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, you keep the first tablet, and whenever you love your neighbor as yourself, you keep the second tablet.
Sid Roth: You know, I'm Jewish and I never understood that revelation. So he was actually affirming the Ten Commandments, rather than just say, love, love, love and forget them. Well tell me the revelation God gave you on the first commandment.
Robert Gay: Well the very first commandment, of course, is to have no other gods before Him. And I think a lot of times people have looked at the Ten Commandments solely from an aspect of don't do this, don't do that. But actually, for every commandment it can be stated in an affirmative way. For instance, "Have no other gods before me," is actually also stated by, make me the priority of your life. It means the exact same thing. Well Jesus actually said that, "Seek the first the Kingdom of God in His righteous and all these things will be added unto you". So the whole purpose for the very first commandment is this: God desires to bless us. So he wasn't giving us commands in order to cramp our style or make our lives difficult. He was giving us these commands in order to keep us from difficulty and to create an avenue whereby He could release blessing within our lives.
Sid Roth: Tell me about the second commandment.
Robert Gay: Well the second commandment, of course, is that you're not to have any idols. And of course...
Sid Roth: I've wondered about that because most people don't have idols today.
Robert Gay: Exactly. Of course, we have to understand that the purpose of the second command was not in order to prohibit somebody from creating a sculptured item. The purpose of the second commandment had to do with worship. Because it went on to say, "You'll not bow down to them". And the words that are translated, "bow down", it's one Hebrew word that throughout the Book of Psalms is repeatedly translated "worship". So the second commandment has to do with worship. It's all about worship. It's about the mandate of worshiping God. So the second commandment isn't just, don't bow down to an idol. It is a commandment that we are to worship Him and to worship Him only. It's very interesting. Whenever you see Jesus and he is led into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil, and of course, the devil comes and says, "Jesus, bow down before me and I'm going to give you all the kingdoms of this world". And Jesus, what he does is he then quotes and rearticulates the second commandment by saying, "You will worship the Lord your God only and Him will you serve". And so he is quoting, once again, the second commandment. Think about this. He's actually using the second commandment to overcome the temptation of the devil. And this is what's so powerful about it. The Bible says that as soon as he said it, and of course, I believe that Jesus did more than just say that. I believe that Jesus actually practiced what he said. I believe Jesus took an opportunity at that moment of time just to lift his hand and say, "Father, I worship you. I worship you only. I give you glory. I give you praise". And the Bible says that from that point, the devil left him. See, because there's power.
Sid Roth: Wait a second. Did you get that? Do you want the demonic things that are affecting your life? Do you want them gone? What do you do? Worship. That's what you do.
Robert Gay: Yeah, exactly. And again, one of the greatest ways that I believe we can worship God is through a lifestyle of obedience.
Sid Roth: Ah. You thought it was just this. No. I want obedience and not sacrifice. Are you ready for the revelation that God gave Robert on how you can participate in the next, in the greatest and perhaps the last miracle revival in history?
Sid Roth: Now a normal pastor doesn't teach because they're not normal, according to the Bible, in my opinion, about the Ten Commandments. Did you teach much series and things on the Ten Commandments before God spoke to you?
Robert Gay: Sid, I really didn't as a matter of fact. Occasionally, I would mention the Ten Commandments and never had actually did an entire series on the Ten Commandments, nor the importance of the Ten Commandments, because I really just didn't have a revelation, and to be honest with you, it seemed a little religious. And I think that's probably the sentiments maybe of a lot of pastors today. They just seem outdated. We don't need to teach, do this.
Sid Roth: I hear a lot of people, when Jesus said, "We're no longer under the Law," of course, he was talking about the laws of animal sacrifice, the laws in the Temple, etc. But what do you say about "no longer under the law"?
Robert Gay: Well first of all, I say, as far as the moral law that we see contained in the Ten Commandments, every single one of the Ten Commandments are rearticulated throughout the New Testament. They're rearticulated by Jesus. They're rearticulated by Paul. They're rearticulated by James. And so all of these, the apostles definitely wouldn't be rearticulating these commandments if they were not relevant to us today. And of course, we read how that love fulfills the Law. And of course, the question I have is, how can the love fulfill a law that doesn't exist or that is not relevant? And so we have to come to the understanding that the Ten Commandments are relevant for us. They need to be preached. They need to be taught today because they are a key to experiencing the life of God, and not only the life of God, but I believe the obedience to those commandments actually align us for the manifestation of the supernatural power of God in ways like we never have seen before.
Sid Roth: Speaking of that, God has shown that you in the United States and in Israel, there will be a mighty miracle revival but something could abort it on individuals. What did He show you?
Robert Gay: Well I believe there's a tidal wave of revival, a tidal wave of anointing, a tidal wave of the power of God that is being...
Sid Roth: I'm ready. Are you ready?
Robert Gay: I believe we're all ready. We are ready. But you know, one of the things that we have to do, let me back up. The question is not as to whether or not it's the will of God. The question is this. Are we willing to align ourselves properly so that God can do this and release it within our lives? And you know, you can see throughout the Bible how that the supernatural was always released in the lives of those who obeyed what they were told to do, what God commanded them. You know, you think about Naamen, for instance. Well he would not have been healed had he not obeyed. And so it's very important that we understand the importance of obedience, the importance of adherence to God's commands. And as we do that, that brings forth an alignment within our lives that releases the hand of God in a supernatural manner for us.
Sid Roth: Actually, Jesus, as you teach, rose the bar on the Ten Commandments rather than just cutting him out of the Bible.
Robert Gay: Exactly. Grace does not lower the standard. Grace raises the bar. It takes it to the next level. Because Jesus said, "You know, you've heard, don't commit adultery. But I'm telling you, don't even look that way". And he addresses the actual root issue within the heart of man. See, that's what grace comes to do. Because we're new creations in Christ Jesus, now the Law is written on our hearts and we're empowered. And grace does not excuse us. Grace empowers us to do what is right and what is holy before the Lord.
Sid Roth: Okay. Jesus said, the last days, many will say, "Lord, Lord, did I do these things"? What did he tell us?
Robert Gay: Well he actually said to those, he said, "Many of them are going to come to me and say, 'Lord, Lord, have we not done these things?'" He said, "But I'll say to them, 'Depart from me you who practice lawlessness.'" "Lawlessness" is the word that Jesus actually used. And lawlessness is to "live void of law", to live void of any parameters, any rule. And so we have to understand, law is not bad. Law is good. We need law. And of course, we need the Law of God, the law of the Spirit. Paul talked about the law of the Spirit and that is what we begin to live our lives by.
Sid Roth: Tell me, wait a second, you're a prophet. I charge you right now to look at the people at home and move in the gift God has given you.
Robert Gay: Well Sid, I see somebody right now who's had issues in their sinus cavity. I see like growths in the sinus cavity. And right now, the hand of the Lord is upon you and God is healing you. There's a supernatural manifestation that is taking place within your life right now. I sense there is somebody here that's been standing in believing for children. I hear a child's name, Danny, a son that you've been believing God for. And the Lord is saying to you that you could rest assured that He is working in Danny's life. I see a call of God on this young man's life and God is going to cause him to come in. You're about to receive a phone call from him, and God is going to restore the relationship that was broken. He is a restorer of the breached and God loves you, and He's going to begin to bring forth that supernatural manifestation within your life.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that car salesman in your church. I mean, what types of things have people moved to the next level in your congregation as you've taught on this?
Robert Gay: Yes. Well this gentleman that was in our church was a used car salesman, and may I say, he was the stereotypical used car salesman. And he was, you know, basically just wanted to make a buck, however. It didn't matter what type of things he had to do in order to make a buck. Anyway, he began to come to church. He began to receive this teaching. I was teaching on how that Jesus raised the bar, takes the commandments to the next level, how that you didn't need to live your life as one new stole. You could live your life as a giver rather than a taker. And he began to put these principles into practice. He began to tithe. He began to give offerings. He began to sow. And today now God has totally done a revolution within his life. Today he actually owns a million-dollar business and God is blessing him to such a great degree. As a matter of fact, they tithe on everything that comes into their business. God is blessing him in a tremendous way and it's all because he began to take this understanding of the Ten Commandments and even learning how to live as a giver. Of course, part of that means you bring the tithe. In order to not steal, you have to bring the tithe. You have to begin to bring the offering, exactly, give, to the Lord. And as he began to do this, God began to bless him. He released abundant life with him, just like he told, Jesus told the rich young ruler, "If you'll keep the commandments you're going to experience life. You'll experience Zohar". Well he began to do this and God has blessed him tremendously.
Sid Roth: I have a question for you. Are you involved in lawlessness? Do you steal like that used car salesman? Do you lie? Are you involved in sex outside of marriage? Are you involved in homosexuality? Are you involved in pornography? Are you involved in New Age? Are you lawless? Are you stealing the worship that God is entitled to? Well the Bible says, to believers in the Messiah, if you confess your sins, talking to believers, I tell you, he's just, oh, he's just, and faithful, oh, he's faithful to forgive you of all, A-L-L, all unrighteousness. And if you don't know the Messiah, what are you waiting on? Tell him you're sorry. Believe that he's forgiven your sins. Ask him to be your Lord and live inside of you. It's that simple. But where we are in history, if you're lawless, if you don't know God, you don't know, bad English, but it's the way that I feel, you don't know nothing. You don't know nothing. Make Jesus your Lord and, oh, sinuses, allergies. Has God showed you healing on allergies?
Robert Gay: I believe there's healing. There's anointing. There's oil that is flowing right now.
Sid Roth: For allergies of all kinds, breathing problems in Jesus' name. Take it. It's yours.