Sid Roth - The Wild Love of God
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest experienced the wild love, you heard me right, the wild love of God. He says that everyone is meant to experience this. Trust me. This show is going to be wild. Sid Roth here with Chris Dupre. And let me tell you something, no one should go through what Chris went through. His dad was a bombardier in World War II, POW in Germany. He was tortured in the worst most, the worst fashion a human could have. He came back a war hero, but he also had a condition that no one understood back then. It was called PTSD. And Chris, for some reason, he chose you to take his anger out on.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: What happened?
Chris Dupre: My dad came back. No one knew that there was another side to him. I don't even think he knew. And shortly thereafter, he married my mother and had three children, first a daughter and then a son, and then myself. I was a healthy, strong, energetic, full of vigor kid, and I ended up being the brunt of this internal anger that no one, even family and friends weren't aware of. It was just kind of contained in my house.
Sid Roth: And there was one day your mother came in unexpected and what did she observe with her eyes?
Chris Dupre: Yes. She never saw it. It was always done behind her back and then suddenly she came in unexpectedly through the back door when I was in the kitchen, and I was flying across the kitchen. I don't know, I was eight years old. I can't remember whether I was kicked, I was thrown. I hit a wall and that's when she walked in and sees the situation, and takes us away, and my life became very different.
Sid Roth: You said that was the first time you ever felt safe.
Chris Dupre: Oh yeah. I remember it so well because I was in school. We changed houses and the first day I came home from school I walked in, there was a house with a loving mother, chocolate chip cookies baking just for me, and I remember feeling, I wasn't crying, but I felt like it because I knew I was safe and I knew that every day I could come home and I didn't have to run and hide.
Sid Roth: Now he became quite an athlete. He figured he'd get a scholarship. He had his whole life, you know, lined up. But he had an injury. And so he did go to college, but in college, he was depressed. He had to have drugs all the time. And so he didn't make it in college and h went home, but he went home to a surprise. His mother, his brother, his sister, they all were not just believers, they were radical believers, and they had an agenda: Chris. They wanted to make him a radical believer. And one day your sister took you for a short car ride. What happened?
Chris Dupre: Oh my goodness. Well that's how I found out they were all believers. I picked her up to take her to her college graduation and in the car in a five-minute drive, she tells me, "Oh by the way, I got married". I said, "What? You got married? Why didn't you tell me"? She goes, "Well he's an unusual man". "Well what's he like"? "He's a prince". "You married a prince and I don't know about it"? She goes, "Yes". Then she got completely quiet and she goes, "He's the Prince of Peace and his name is Jesus". Well I was as high as a kite at that moment and I just started laughing, and then I realized I don't want to disrespect her. I said, "So what else"? And then she goes, "Well I speak in tongues now". I said, "Really. Well let me hear some". And she goes, "No, no, it doesn't work that way. I can't do it like this". I said, "What else"? "Well I also prophesy". I said, "You prophesy? You tell End Time things"? "No, not like that. It's like God's heart and intents come through me and other people and encourage them". And I just said, "What's God sound like"? And she said, "Well he sounds like me". And I said, "Well then I don't want him". I had enough of my sister over the years. I didn't want God to sound like my sister.
Sid Roth: So then you hear a voice.
Chris Dupre: Oh I'll never forget it. Actually, my buddy Mike was driving the car. We pulled in, we dropped my sister off and then we went around to the parking lot, and we're laughing hysterically about this conversation. And I'm in the back seat. He was in the front because there was another person there. And he gets out of the car and I start to get out from the back seat, and there's nobody in the car. It's just the two of us at this point. And I hear a voice say to me from the back seat, "Everything your sister just told you is true".
Sid Roth: Who was that in the back seat?
Chris Dupre: A voice. There was no one there.
Sid Roth: There was no one there.
Chris Dupre: I turned around and looked, and Mike was 15 feet away from the car.
Sid Roth: Was it like an inner thought or was it an audible voice?
Chris Dupre: It sounded just like this: "Everything your sister said is true". And it came, it sounded as clear as what I just said to you. I turned around and looked, and there's nobody there. And I closed the door, and the second the door closed, I was completely sober.
Sid Roth: I'll tell you what, you think this is wild? It's just starting.
Sid Roth: Sid Roth here with Chris Dupre. And Chris, it's still hard for me to comprehend. You hear the audible voice of God. You still resist.
Chris Dupre: Oh yeah.
Sid Roth: But your family is persistent.
Chris Dupre: Oh yeah.
Sid Roth: And you want to get your sister off your back. So she says, "Chris, I want to say a prayer with you". And you say?
Chris Dupre: Okay. And so she said, she started this prayer and I'm holding her hands because she wanted me to hold her hands, and "Repeat after me, and if you don't believe it, don't say it". So I prayed a prayer and I kind of believed every word, and so she went out. And I sat there, and I knew that I was changed. But I was fearful and I didn't want to admit it at that moment. But I woke up the next morning, no desire to drink, no desire for drugs, no desire to smoke.
Sid Roth: You were doing drugs every day.
Chris Dupre: Every day, every day.
Sid Roth: Instantly.
Chris Dupre: Instantly gone. And the funny thing was, most people go about the drink and drugs is that being in sports for years and years, I had a mouth on me.
Sid Roth: We understand.
Chris Dupre: Okay. There we go. I woke up the next morning and my vocabulary, my speech pattern was different and the words that would normally come in didn't come in. A matter of fact, I shunned them, in which I just know, God, everything together just tells me, you are here, you changed my life. It's almost like I can't wait to see what else is coming.
Sid Roth: Well something else did come.
Chris Dupre: Yeah.
Sid Roth: He, you know, Paul said, I don't know whether I was in my body or out of my body. Remember reading that? He had such an experience. What happened?
Chris Dupre: Oh I had an hour off for lunch. I worked across the street, always come home. I would make the same thing every day, a baloney sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise. And so I'd make a baloney sandwich.
Sid Roth: You obviously weren't Jewish.
Chris Dupre: No. No. In my town we only had one Jewish family and they didn't eat baloney. And so I'm standing there with my baloney sandwich and I feel a breeze, and I'm thinking, okay, who left the window open. This is Rochester, New York in the middle of winter. And I open my eyes to the breeze, and I'm standing on a hillside, and the next thing I do, I look up and Jesus is coming down, and I'm going, this is not a dream, or is it a dream? And so I picked up a clump of grass and I put it in my mouth, because I thought if this is a dream, I won't taste it. And it was grass. And I spit it out. It tasted terrible. I pinched myself and then he stands there, and then suddenly he comes and he looks at me face-to-face. And I'm filled with shame because all I know is what I'm not. I haven't yet been told who I am. And he looks at me and he goes, "I love you with a wild love". I thought, wild love? I've been brought up in a church where you do things decently and in order and wild doesn't fit. And he heard my thinking, and he looks at me, and he goes, "Yes it is wild because wild means it's untamed and it's uncontrolled by man. No man controls my love for you". And then I went, as wild as you want, God, as wild as you want.
Sid Roth: He actually said that to you.
Chris Dupre: Oh he said that to me, looking right at me. And there he is and I'm now looking, I'm looking directly in his face and seeing his brown eyes, the little red lines, the hair on his face. But it wasn't a true beard. He had little hairs up and down here, and a smile. I can't describe it. It was the largest smile I had ever seen on a human being and he's looking at me. And then I was filled with shame. I put my head down and he takes my head in his hands, and he says, "Look at me. Look at me". And now I'm face-to-face looking at him. I know this is not a dream. I don't know what it is. And I'm looking right into his face, and he goes, "Listen, I love you". And I went, "Okay". He goes, "You don't get it. I love you for what you're called to do and for what you're supposed to do with your life. You need to know this. You need to know how deeply I love you". I went, "Okay, that's good". And he took my head and put it on his chest and he just began to rock me, and I had never had a man's hands on me that didn't hurt me. And he's just holding me, and holding me. And suddenly a ball of fire shot out of his chest, hit my chest. I found myself back in my room. My baloney sandwich was over there. And I'm just, I'm weeping and weeping, and weeping. And I threw myself on my bed and I wept, and I wept, and suddenly I go, I've got to go to work. I got to get up. And I picked up my pillow and I thought, well I'll just take the pillowcase off because it's wet. And then when I picked it up. It was dripping from the bottom of the pillow. And I put my hand on my mattress and pushed my hand, and water sprouted out. And I realized 20 years of pain, I was delivered by a face-to-face encounter and through my weeping, 20 years of pain delivered my heart from the pain of my father and the abuse that I took.
Sid Roth: And shortly after that, someone brought up is dad to him. In the past when he would hear his dad's name, the fear, his stomach would churn, the hurt, the disappointment, and he noticed he didn't have those same feelings. And when we come back I want you to find out what God did as far as forgiveness, because this is off the charts. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Now this experience that Chris Dupre had was so wild that he took, if you remember, he took a piece of grass, a clump of grass and put it in his mouth. Is this real? What is going on? Well after he woke up and cried, what did you have in your mouth?
Chris Dupre: I woke up. I went back and wiped my tears off, went across off to work, and you know, somebody said, as soon as I said something, "What did you have to eat"? I said, "I had a baloney sandwich". And they go, "Well you got all sorts of green stuff in your teeth there". I said, "What"? I picked it up and there was a clump of grass that came out of my teeth. I don't have grass in my living room, so.
Sid Roth: Okay. Your recollection of your dad.
Chris Dupre: Yeah.
Sid Roth: Is beating after beating, welts all over your body, fear, hurt, everything, every emotion you can imagine.
Chris Dupre: Yeah.
Sid Roth: 1982.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: July 4th, as a matter of fact.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: Family gathering and you're out in the back yard with your dad. God tells you, you feel the presence of God and God tells you to do something that is against every fiber of his being. He tells you to hug your dad.
Chris Dupre: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't hug my dad. I didn't grow up hugging him. Our physical connection was not hugs. And the Lord had said, "I want you to forgive your father today". And I said, on the way there, it was July 4th, is favorite day of the year, July 4th celebration. And I said, "Well Lord, I already forgive him". He said, "No, no, face-to-face". I was like, I don't want to go face-to-face with him. So I'm standing there by the garden and he's alone, and I go, "Dad, I have to tell you something". He goes, "What"? "It's about when I was little and you lived with us". And he goes, "Yeah, what"? And all I could say was, instead of running through a list of things that I wanted to forgive him for, I said, "I just want to say that I love you and I forgive you for everything that happened". And he didn't say a word. I was waiting for him to say, "Forgive me for what" or yell, or try to hit me, and nothing. And he didn't move. And the Lord said, "He needs your touch. Put your arm around him". I said, I don't do that. And I heard, "Now".
Sid Roth: It must have been very uncomfortable for you.
Chris Dupre: Oh it was. And so I remember putting my arm around him thinking, I've just exposed my side if he wants to go for it. And so I put, the second my hand touched his shoulder, he began to bend over and weep and weep, and weep. And he was crying uncontrollably with everybody around him at a July 4th picnic. It didn't matter. He was crying and he's crying, and he starts to almost fall to the ground, and I'm holding him up. And he realizes he's not going to make it. So he puts his hand over around and he grabs my belt. The second he touched my waist, I bent over and I began to weep and weep, and the two of us are standing out by the garden with kids playing, dogs running, hotdogs burning, and we are just bending over weeping uncontrollably for about three to five minutes. And some supernatural connection or reconnect took place during that time. And suddenly it stopped. It was over. We cleaned ourselves up. And he didn't want to talk about, so I just.
Sid Roth: Chris.
Chris Dupre: Yeah.
Sid Roth: The next nine years.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: I have to tell you, you had the most wonderful relationship with your dad.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: But his father goes in for exploratory surgery and someone's neck was just healed in Jesus' name. His father goes in for exploratory surgery, but just before he's wheeled in, Chris is there.
Chris Dupre: Yes.
Sid Roth: Just briefly, tell me what happened.
Chris Dupre: He's lying on the stretcher and they say, "Okay, say goodbye to your father". So we've now been hugging and kissing for years. That's what we do. I shake his hand like this. All the doctors are there and I shake his hand, "Love you, dad". And he's holding my arm and he goes, "We don't do this". And I go, uh-oh, I know what to do. And he pulls me into the stretcher on top of him with one toe on the ground, and he begins to kiss my cheeks, kiss them back and forth, turns my head and goes, "This is my son. I love him. He's great". And then they begin to wheel away, and he goes, "Stop, turn the stretcher around, I can't see my son". So they turn the stretcher around and he begins to, they're pulling him away, and he goes, "I love you", and I go, "I love you, dad". "No, I love you more". He pulls out his heart, and he goes, "uh-uh, uh-uh", and he throws it at me, and I pull out my heart and I throw it at him, and he pushes it in. And the last thing he goes, he starts kissing, his fingers over and over, and over again. And I'm thinking, what's he doing. And then he turns to me he goes. And I just stood there, and the nurse next to me is starting to cry, and I just pretend like he's killing me with love bullets. And she starts crying and says, "I've never seen this kind of affection between a father and a son. Has it always been like that"? I said, "Oh, have I got a story to tell you". And he, they pulled him into the elevator and the door began to close, and he began to move over on the stretcher while the door closed, kissed his thumb, put it in the air and said, "I love you".
Sid Roth: Now you can experience God's wild love. Now have you ever heard the song, it's one of my favorites, probably one of the most intimate love songs of all time, "Dance With Me". I just happen to have the author of that song here. Chris Dupre, would you go to the music set and sing that song.
Chris Dupre: I would be honored.
Sid Roth: Chris is going to impart the wild love of God upon you. Are you interested? Me, too.
Chris Dupre: Lord, I thank you out of all the kindest beings you could be, you are love. You reveal yourself as love. And so Lord, we walk through that open door right now. We just say that all of the lies that have been thrown our way of what you are and what you're not and let every lie now be silenced in the name of Jesus. And I pray for an impartation as Paul encouraged the Ephesians that they see and understand, and know the depth and the level, as he said, the depth, the width, the height to know the love of Christ which passes understanding. So Lord, I pray that spirit now, that spirit of wisdom, that spirit of revelation that it would go through, it would go through the airwaves, it would go into hearts and into the minds of each one that's here and that's listening right now in Jesus' name. Amen. I was singing the song, "We will dance on the streets that are gold" in my living room, years ago, while my daughter began to dance around the living room with a veil. And it was so beautiful, this beautiful little 12-year-old dancing unashamed before her father. I said "Lord, I love the multitude, but I just want to watch her dance". And I felt him say to me, "That's how I see it. I love that. I love the multitude, but when one person says yes to dance with me, my heart rejoices". Five minutes later this song was written.
Chris Dupre: "Come and dance with me, love of my soul to the song of all songs. Come and romance me, oh love of my soul to the song of all songs. Lord I'll go where you go and I will run where you run, and I will dance, I will dance with you".