Sid Roth - Look Where Jesus and 2 Angels Took Me
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Renny and Marina McLean. I tell you I just started reading their book, I grabbed hold of it, I could not put it down. It's Renny's latest book, "Eternity Invading Time". Eternity is the realm God is in, so it's like God invading time. Time is the realm that we're in: it's a very temporary realm. As I like to say, blink your eye one time and that's your life compared to the realm of eternity that has no ending. No beginning, no ending, but if we can grasp the difference of these two realms. Now you see, Renny has been to heaven and he is explaining the insights he obtained there and the gifting in his life is to teach these things. If you can master this, and you are going to be getting insight in a supernatural fashion, not so much a logical fashion, in a supernatural spirit to spirit fashion. There's a very unusual show. But I want you to get to know Renny. But if you can master this, you can move in the promises of the Bible involving faith. If you can't, you will just be plain religious. There is no more time to be plain religious. You must walk in the currency of heaven which is called faith. Renny, you were a young child, what? Nine years old?
Renny McLean: Seven.
Sid Roth: Seven years old, that's even younger.
Renny McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: Did Jesus come into your bedroom?
Renny McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: Tell me what happened.
Renny McLean: When I was seven years of age, the first time the Lord came to me I was seven years of age. I was praying like most kids would pray now, "Thank you Lord for today, thank you for life, bless mommy, bless daddy, hallelujah jubilee, amen" and go to bed.
Sid Roth: Religious.
Renny McLean: Yeah you better believe it.
Sid Roth: But you were a kid too, so I'll give you a little grace.
Renny McLean: That's right. And I'll never forget, I went to bed, I pulled the covers over my face, and then all of a sudden a light came in my room. A supernatural light. And it was the presence of the glory of God. And I was really afraid. And I took the sheets off of my face and there at the end of my bed was Jesus. And there were two angelic beings by his side. And he stood there and he looked at me and he smiled at me and he said, "Now I'm going to show you who you are and what you're to be". And when he said that, before...
Sid Roth: Wait a second. How afraid were you? You were just a kid.
Renny McLean: I was afraid: I'm going to say I'm going to back up. I was afraid but yet not afraid.
Sid Roth: I understand.
Renny McLean: In that when the Lord introduces himself no matter what you see, as awesome as it is, that he resonates peace. And you know when something is not of God you are not at peace.
Sid Roth: Now all of us are chosen.
Renny McLean: Yes, yes.
Sid Roth: But some of us have very specific destinies. That's what that's telling me about you. There is a very specific call on your life. What did he say to you?
Renny McLean: The Lord said to me that you will bring the knowledge of my... Sorry, he said to me, "You will bring the knowledge of my glory to your generation and you will raise up people in the power of the spirit to shake this nation". And that was when I was in England, but I realize it's global, you know. And I will never forget when the Lord said that to me. He said to me, "Let me show you the world". And when he said that, the four corners of the room fell out and I was not in my room. Just as you see me sitting here before you, I was not in my room. I was standing before the throne of God. And he said to me, "Now let me show you the world". And when he said, "Let me show you the world, a globe came out of his mouth and stood suspended in midair. And he said to me, "This is where you'll go". And I saw like it were, the stars of heaven literally just go woosh-woosh-whoosh and they would stand over the places that I would go on the earth to minister. And I realize that I've been to now over sixty countries in thirty years, and I've never been any place by accident. It's always been by an assignment. And we've always been there: you know the Lord uses us a lot you know, to bring miracles, signs and wonders, but our emphasis now is to raise up people with the knowledge of the spirit. Because one of the things I say to people, "See if you don't have the knowledge of the spirit you will never understand that in the spirit there is no time". So the problem today that we have is, is that we are educated to a time dimension. And to us all fact and all reality consist of what we see in this time dimension.
Sid Roth: So are you saying to me that we have to do what Jesus said? We have to become like a little child and start over?
Renny McLean: Yeah. Oh, sure, sure. I think that part of the reason why the Lord did that with me was I think if I was older, it would have had to have been more drastic. I think the reason why the Lord did that with me was I was a child, and a child is open. And a child in most cases to some extent doesn't question it. And I didn't question it.
Sid Roth: When did you start walking in miracles, real miracles?
Renny McLean: First of all, let me give you a quick synopsis. I was raised pretty much seeing miracles. I grew up under the influence of Morris cerullo, t.L. Osborn, and a.A. Allen, bless his heart. So I pretty much knew the God of the Bible with miracles. So the supernatural you know you are the product of your environment so for me miracles were not an issue. I believed in them.
Sid Roth: The supernatural was natural.
Renny McLean: The supernatural was natural to me, it wasn't strange. It wasn't an event. It was natural to me. The Lord first started using me in miracles from the time I was around ten.
Sid Roth: Ten?
Renny McLean: From when I was ten.
Sid Roth: Tell me the first you can remember.
Renny McLean: One of the first miracles I clearly remember seeing was a woman in our church that was dying of cancer. And I remember laying hands, and in childlike faith I would say, "Cancer, die. Dissolve". I can still remember as if it were yesterday. I said, "Cancer, die. Dissolve. Dissipate". And you know needless to say, the woman was cured. And...
Sid Roth: What effect did it have on you when you saw that as a young child a miracle took place when you spoke?
Renny McLean: All miracles increase your expectation of God. My faith grew.
Sid Roth: So I'm going to tell you what. I believe we're going to see miracles on this show. Do you need a miracle? Don't go away I'll be right back after this word.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Renny and Marina McLean. Ah, Renny, you have an unusual background. Your father is Jewish?
Renny McLean: No, my father is Jamaican.
Sid Roth: Jamaican, and your mother is Jewish?
Renny McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: That, according to the rabbI's makes you Jewish. Did you know that?
Renny McLean: Yes, I do, I do.
Sid Roth: Okay, so you have this unusual background, you're just a young child, and Jesus comes into your room, and he says, "I've assigned the world to you". He showed you places that you will go throughout your lifetime.
Renny McLean: Yes he did.
Sid Roth: But he said other things to you. Tell me a few more things.
Renny McLean: Okay. One of the primary things the Lord said to me is this: he said to me, "Renny, this is my world". He said, "Your world is what comes out of your mouth". And he said, "I want you to now reach your world".
Sid Roth: That's powerful.
Renny McLean: It changed well I was only a boy so you know if it hit you as an adult, you can imagine how it hit me as a child.
Sid Roth: Now what effect did it have as a young child having a visitation from Jesus walking in miracles...
Renny McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: What was your life like?
Renny McLean: My life was-um it was odd, because I didn't fit... Id:. Uh, wait a second. Did you, were you sort of a prodigal or did you try to walk a holy life?
Renny McLean: No, I always walked a holy life. I was a I can say this as a great testimony. This dear lady who I'm married to, I met her when I was eighteen, and I'm not saying how long ago that was, but that's a long time ago. We met each other when we were seventeen and eighteen and she's the only woman I've been with. So I've lived pure, I've never gone with another woman or you know done anything like that, so...
Sid Roth: Ah, Marina, I have a question for you. I understand that your background was the opposite of his. Nothing real emotional, supernatural, anything. And his is real Pentecostal type of background.
Marina McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: How in the world did the two of you get together?
Marina McLean: We got together through our church and doing a youth choir, getting all of the youth groups together. We were in a league of seven churches. And just seven different Pentecostal churches, my church, we spoke about the Holy Spirit, nobody spoke in tongues, we never saw miracles. He always teased, at our church we knew the presence of God we just didn't know what to do with it.
Sid Roth: So why did you hitch up with him?
Marina McLean: Well he talked...
Renny McLean: She wanted to get to heaven, I'm sorry!
Marina McLean: I had grown up in church a "P.K" don't hold that against me. But he spoke about a God that I knew but he spoke about God like he was his best friend. And somehow that just pulled on my heart. A teenager, I have always loved the word. And so when I met Renny, like many people do now, they want to ask him questions. I did that. We couldn't call it dating, because I walked with a notepad and pen. Because I had questions that suddenly a person could answer. And he did.
Sid Roth: That's the way I feel when I read his book.
Marina McLean: Yes.
Sid Roth: Same way.
Marina McLean: A lot of other people. They call, they have read the press and they call, they have questions and I totally understand that. Because there are things that you have in you, you don't have a way to express it, and suddenly you meet somebody who, oh my goodness that's the way I should say it, that's the words I've been looking for. And so that's how we met and when we the supernatural he says the supernatural part of the environment, I've always been hungry for God. I mean, both of our mothers took us to Morris cerullo meetings, when we started to looking, we went to different places very similar and just had a love for miracles. The first miracle I saw was at a Morris cerullo meeting. I left my mother's side and went and stood in the front row so I could see it for myself. Went back and gave a testimony at church and church was quiet, because they forgot to tell me that they believed in miracles they just didn't believe it could happen here, plus it was a wind of doctrine
Sid Roth: So tell me, why doesn't it happen here, meaning most churches, Renny? You've been on the other side. You have seen miracles on this side, why?
Renny McLean: That's in my book. That's why people got to get it. You know there's...
Sid Roth: That's not fair. I want you briefly now come on, ha ha.
Renny McLean: Okay. I am going to give four capsulized I am going to capsulize four thoughts that are going to answer everything. Number one why do we not see miracles? Number one, the church has not learned how to court the Lord. They've not learned to court the Lord. When we do praise at every church when we do praise and worship, through praise and worship you court the Lord. At times in the church we don't run that's one issue we don't court the Lord in other words we don't go far enough into our worship where things just manifest. For example...
Sid Roth: Actually it's going the other way and that is because they want to get out by a certain time so they have to cut something and the worship is the easiest thing to cut.
Renny McLean: Totally. But what's interesting you see, they are cutting out the most essential part of the service. Because we teach this principle, God inhales our worship, but he exhales the glory. And the issue today in most churches is we have not given God anything to inhale, so there's not much glory coming forth, that's number two. The third would be is this: the reason why in Africa and asia and those countries, the reason why you see so many miracles there is because they already believe in the realm of the spirit. In the west, we are highly intellectual and almost every preacher on Sunday morning, when he is preaching, he is basically preaching to educated unbelief. So you have to almost...
Sid Roth: That's a powerful combination, educated unbelief.
Renny McLean: Yes. So you almost have to unlearn what you've learned because unbelief is the product of the tree you are eating from. It exposes you are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So if that be the case, the church needs to change the tree.
Sid Roth: Marina, worship is very important. Why?
Marina McLean: Worship is the beginning of intimacy. And Renny talked about courting the Lord. That's how you court the Lord is in worship. And the most significant key is that worship is your expression. I love David, king David, and the Bible talks about rebuilding David's tabernacle. David was spontaneous. You know he watched a deer and compared himself to a deer, hungering and thirsting after God. There are things in our spirit man that until we express it, we talk about put your voiceprint. A lot of churches don't know how to respond to God right now. You respond to God in worship and through worship.
Sid Roth: Yes, very true. Renny, I have a quick question for you connected with this worship. I have been to Benny Hinn meetings or seen them on TV. Both, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, that the miracles transpire in his ministry because of that magnificent worship. Is that what you Renny: let me say to you on this, in answer to your question very simply, yes. Because worship brings the glory. So what you are seeing then in the manifestation of God's presence, it's not so much a gifting as it is more the presence of God.
Sid Roth: Which is what is going to happen.
Renny McLean: What is going to happen, see.
Sid Roth: This is going to happen when we come back. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Renny and Marina McLean. And Renny and Marina, there is such an awesome, I like to use that word, awesome, presence of God here and one of the things we've discussed is courting, that was your terminology, courting God. And you're a worshipper Marina. Would you worship God right now? Just, no music, just worship, you don't need music, you don't even need a good voice to worship God. God just wants a good heart.
Marina McLean: Yes, yes. One of the songs we've written for our ministry is whatever you ask, whatever you dream, in the glory it's already yours. "Whatever you ask, whatever you dream, in the glory it's already yours. Whatever you ask, whatever you dream, in the glory it's already yours. All you have to do is open your heart. All you have to do is give him your voice. All you have to do is lay it down. For in the glory, yes in the glory it's already yours. For in the glory, yes in the glory it's already yours".
Sid Roth: I want you to see some people that are in the glory as Renny is speaking, that received miracles. It's already yours. Let's go to that clip.
Sid Roth: Renny, what has God got for our viewers right now?
Renny McLean: God has a miracle for you right about now. Your faith is high, hear me. When reason is absent faith is present. God is here now. Put your hands on your sickness and as I speak to your sickness your sickness is going to begin to die and leave. We've seen thousands of miracles. We can't even go into them. Now we can tell you that same God is here now. And that power is coming to you today right now. In Jesus name I see a woman right now, I see a lump on your breast, excuse me, on your chest. I see the lump shrinking right about now. I see miracles taking place right about now. Let me speak the word to every one of you right now. In the name of Jesus I dis-fellowship the spirit of infirmity from your body now. In Jesus name come out of these people. Loose them and let them go in Jesus name. Now, faith is an act. In Jesus name begin to push your growth down. Begin to look where the lump was. Begin to look where the cancer was. Begin to look, in Jesus name right now. There are leg conditions right now being healed. I just saw somebody right now that had an operation on their hip and you are in a wheelchair and you have been unable to walk, and you felt something go down your, go down your spine. In Jesus name right now, tissues are being mended right now. In Jesus name be made whole. Now prove your faith, rise. If you couldn't hear, hear. If you couldn't see in fact several people right now you were diabetics, and you were unable to see. And as a sign that your diabetes is healed, your sight returns now. Thank you Jesus. Amen. Right where you are, just begin to give him praise, honor and glory. People's teeth are being healed right about now. I see an abscess right now being healed. In Jesus name.
Sid Roth: Renny, we're in the glory realm right now, we're in that realm. If people have not heard their condition, what should they do?
Renny McLean: Yes. Right. God if they haven't heard their condition?
Sid Roth: You haven't had a specific word?
Renny McLean: Okay, but God has it. And what they have to do right now is lift their hands up, and say, "Thank you, Jesus". Take it and then demonstrate their faith. Demonstrate your faith. Pain is not an evidence that you are always sick. When your tooth is pulled when you go to the dentist your gum is sore and in pain. But you are not in pain because the tooth is there. You are in pain because the tooth is out. Because the Bible says when an unclean spirit leaves the people at times, the Bible says the last thing the spirit does is it wrenches their body. So one of the signals of you being healed is that thing is being uprooted and that thing is I still feel it taking place as we are talking.
Sid Roth: You know what? There is such wisdom of the invisible realm right now. Take it, it's yours, it's yours. Just grab it by faith. It's not a feeling, it's by faith. It's already happened, you're healed. It's eternity invading time.