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Sid Roth - Freedom from the Pain of Your Past


Sid Roth - Freedom from the Pain of Your Past
TOPICS: Pain, Trauma, Freedom

Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher. They have an organization that is not going after symptoms. What are symptoms? Symptoms may be your physical illness, symptoms may be cancer, symptoms may be pain. It may be anger, anxiety, and rather or addictions of any kind. Rather than going after symptoms Dawna, what do you go after?

Dawna DeSilva: We actually look for the wounds and lies in peoples lives that keep them bound. A lot of ministries in the world try to get us to live okay, and we want to go beyond okay. We want to go into the supernatural and find out why am I living below what I know I am destined to live.

Sid Roth: And Teresa, the name of your organization is called sozo, under Bethel Church in Redding California, what does sozo mean?

Teresa Liebscher: Sozo is a Greek word that is used a hundred and ten times in the New Testament and it has the package of being saved, healed and delivered. There is much more the Lord wants for us than just salvation. He wants us to have a whole package to where we can find our identity: we can find our destiny, to where he has called us. And it is a fascinating word study for people who want to do a word study.

Sid Roth: You know Teresa, I'm wondering about the giftings, every time I interview people, I know that the two of you have giftings that compliment each other, I understand you walk in the gifting of discernment, how does that operate?

Teresa Liebscher: Well, I can pick up things, and see things and feel things, and in using that I am able to minister to people so that a lot of times if they are having a hard time actually discerning how they are feeling, or discerning what they are seeing and understanding what's going on, I can kind of come in and say, well you know what about this or I'm kind of feeling this, is this something that you've got going, and so then she can go in and say you know like she sees these pictures and she sees this kind of stuff, and so we kind of work together as a team and kind of surround people, and attack them from all areas.

Sid Roth: Dawna, you told me a secret about yourself. You told me that God said when you lay your hands on people and pray for them, what happens?

Dawna DeSilva: He told me about eight years ago that whomever I touched would be made well. And he told me before we studied sozo, he said spiritually physically and mentally.

Sid Roth: And why are you two doing this? I mean you've got a family I know and you've got more than on your plate, why? I mean you're away from your family, you're running all over the country nonstop. I happened to be at one of your meetings and it goes on to late hours. Why are you doing this?

Dawna DeSilva: The Lord really gave me a charge in the same amount of time when he was telling me about the destiny, he was telling me that in scripture where the twelve tribes were going to go into the Promise Land, there were two that got to have their land before they crossed over. And I felt like the Lord told me you have entered your Promised Land, you've been healed, now you go and fight for your brothers and sisters to enter their Promised Land. And there was a real charge on that. They were not allowed to rest until their brothers and sisters possessed their land. And I am so into walking into that land, harassing the enemy, and replacing him with people that walk in their destinies.

Sid Roth: It's very important for people to walk in their destiny. If you had not been set free, would you be walking in your destiny?

Dawna DeSilva: No, definitely not.

Sid Roth: Teresa, how about you?

Teresa Liebscher: Oh no.

Sid Roth: You'd be a believer, you'd love God, but you'd miss...

Teresa Liebscher: But it would be very bland and boring. Because it is so much fun to watch him work and watch him do what he does.

Sid Roth: How do you feel when people get free? I mean it's a lot of work, but how do you feel when you see that freedom?

Teresa Liebscher: We get jazzed, we get wired. You know like I say our evening, sometimes our evening meetings go really late and we're not ready for bed because we are just so jazzed and so excited and it is so much fun.

Sid Roth: Tell me about one person, and I'll use your words, you sozoed.

Teresa Liebscher: One out of many. We have so many people who come into the sessions with us and are so scared that we are going to find all of this sin and they are so scared that we are going to point out all things that's wrong with them. And when we walk in there and we say, this is the roots, and they come out and they find that fear doesn't bind them anymore, or that they are not controlled by everybody else, that they can walk in this destiny of being who they are, we have so many people like I say that walk in and just are afraid of everything and then when they get free of all the roots they get connected to Father God and they find out that he is going to take care of them, he's going to protect them, they walk out there and it's just like this burden is lifted off of them. We hear all the time that people are lighter, so it's just really interesting to watch people walk in, and then walk out.

Sid Roth: Now one of the things that I think is fascinating are the tools that you have, and you call them tools, and they are obviously very effective. And I have not heard this completely before, I've heard portions of this before, but there is something that you call the father ladder. Explain that?

Teresa Liebscher: The father ladder is a tool that can be used in a couple of different way but it is basically a tool that goes in and helps us find the roots of problems, because the grid we have is children growing up in a family, that's how the grid that we get connected to the Godhead. Because they all have those little separate roles in our lives, and when we have these wounds and lies that come about because of our family life structure, then we have a harder time connecting to the Godhead.

Sid Roth: So what you're saying is, we relate to God the Father, Yeshua or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit based on our mother, father, and...

Teresa Liebscher: Siblings and friends.

Sid Roth: And when did you realize this connection? It's an amazing: it's a phenomenal connection.

Teresa Liebscher: Well one of the things that we kind of noticed is we starting doing things in the sessions and then we would go hear a speaker, hear a pastor and he would be explaining the same kind of thing. And that's what happened with the father ladder, one of the pastor's on our church staff started teaching a Sunday school, and in the midst of the Sunday school he would wink, he would look over and wink at us and he would go, you girls are doing this. And all of a sudden we realized it gave us structure to what we had already started doing.

Sid Roth: Okay now, hold that thought. We are going to talk about this and the thing that is so amazing about these tools, is as they explain it, you are going to be getting freer and freer. Don't go away, be right back after this.

Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher and these two women have an organization called sozo that people are being set free of lifetime chronic problems. Why should someone want to be set free that's already a child of God and going to go to heaven? Because you want to take a lot more people with you and there's a destiny, and it says if the devil knew that destiny ahead of time and just spun a little web so that you can't reach it, you need a little bit of help to get set free, and that's why the Messiah came. Now what you explained is that your perception of your earthly father, your earthly mother, your siblings and friends, all have a connection with your perception of the Godhead, of Father God, of the Holy Spirit, of Jesus. Explain.

Dawna DeSilva: Well, one way we like to look at is we tell people to read your Bible and why is it that we can all read the same scripture but it means different things to us. And we tell them find out in scripture what you don't believe and you are going to find the wounds that you got in childhood change your perception. For example, God is a provider, but if you lived in a home where dad didn't provide

Sid Roth: So your perception of God is based on your father.

Dawna DeSilva: It is based on your father.

Sid Roth: Okay.

Dawna DeSilva: And as you go through the ladder, Jesus is based on your siblings and friends and the Holy Spirit is based on your mom.

Sid Roth: So, give me an example of someone that perhaps had a problem with their earthly father which reflected on a problem with God.

Dawna DeSilva: Yes. We had this huge biker guy and he came in and we were done with the seminar and he had been through it all. He hadn't actually been sozoed, but he had been listening to the tools and he came up and he was actually what we call our catcher. He was standing behind the woman in case she fell. I'm praying for her and he starts to cry, so when I'm done with her I pull him aside and I say what's going on? And he said I got the Jesus thing, I got the Holy Spirit issue, but this Father God stuff I just don't get. I said well, was Jesus safe? And he said yes. And I said okay Jesus, I said close you eyes, and I said Jesus, and he said Jesus, I said would you bring Father God. And he went like this and jerked. And I said to him Father God is not going to hit you. And he fell to the floor and just this anguish coming out of him. And I said what's going on, and he said, he's holding me.

Sid Roth: This is a biker?

Dawna DeSilva: A big biker, tattooed, the whole thing, and he had not known a safe Father God.

Sid Roth: It's okay, what about the Holy Spirit?

Dawna DeSilva: Well in my life when I started this whole Bethel church experience, it was very interesting because I didn't understand that the block I was having to the Holy Spirit's moving in my life was the fact that I didn't have a good relationship with my mom, that there was a block with my mom. And so I actually started with thank you Father God for creating the heavens and the earth. And I thank you Jesus for saving my sins and thank you Holy Spirit for whatever it is you do. I mean there was no relationship and it really came from the wounds of not connecting to my mom.

Sid Roth: You know a lot of people have an intellectual relationship, but not an experiential relationship and they just think well that's the way I'm built. What would you say to them?

Dawna DeSilva: I would say hang in there and just push through. Because it took a couple of years of me standing on a line while everyone around us is falling on the prayer lines and just pressing in and breaking through and just saying there's got to be more. There has to be more than mediocre Christianity.

Sid Roth: And Teresa, what about Jesus?

Teresa Liebscher: I was ministering to a young man once, and it's really kind of strange because we normally think well since he's my Savior I can have this instant connection with him. But a lot of times we have a hard time having him be our companion and, because like in childhood either we are an older sibling or younger sibling, and one of those other, you know I got put in a place where I was having to control younger siblings or I was being controlled by a sibling, and so it's hard to connect with Jesus in that fact because why do I want Jesus to come because he's just going to send me to Africa. You know and that's just the last place I want to go, so why would I want to have this connection with him? But I was ministering to this young man and he was kind of in this same spot, he was really having a hard time, and so we went in and found out the lie you know that he was so afraid because he was an older sibling that Jesus was going to walk in and say I want you to do this like parents do, you're going to do this no matter what I want for you and no matter what you want for yourself, this is what you're going to do and he really had a hard time with that and we broke that lie off, renounced the fact that Jesus was going to treat him that same way, and then he got a picture of Jesus sitting in front of the television watching football with him, eating popcorn and coke. And he got that connection with Jesus and he was comfortable with him after that point.

Sid Roth: Now what happens if you're helping people and you and they don't have visions? What do you do?

Dawna DeSilva: We, you don't have to see to have this ministry work, and we ask people how do you sense God, do you sense him, do you hear him, do you see him? We use all of the perceptions. For us we see, and so a lot of times we say what do you see? But most people will, even when they say - we went to Germany and they say, oh no, no, we don't see. Well let's just go in there. Oh my gosh I see Jesus.

Sid Roth: And one of the things that intrigue me is the exact nature of the questions you ask to realize for instance, you know if someone has a father issue by a question, what's the question?

Dawna DeSilva: Picture Father God and tell me what you see.

Teresa Liebscher: Or what you sense.

Dawna DeSilva: Or what you sense, and by what they tell me

Sid Roth: Tell me something someone might say.

Dawna DeSilva: Well a lot of people believe it or not say well, it's kind of like abe Lincoln, the memorial...

Sid Roth: The statue?

Dawna DeSilva: The statue and I just see him there and he's big I'm down here, and that tells us right away we just start with, repeat after me I forgive my dad for being cold and distant.

Sid Roth: Hold that thought, we'll be right back after this word.

Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher. Dawna, there are some people who in just a short period of time you have literally - God has used you to change their destiny. There are certain tools that you operate with, and I'm intrigued by all of these tools, tell me one and give me an example.

Dawna DeSilva: One of my favorite tools is presenting Jesus and basically it's where's Jesus in the situation? One of the most healing aspects of memories is finding that God was there, that he was available, that he was helping, that he's just not sitting on the throne like we have done earlier. In that aspect we find out what is the wound that happened, what's the lie and what's the truth of the situation.

Sid Roth: Give me an example of someone.

Dawna DeSilva: One of my favorite examples was a young man from Mexico, we went to an orphanage and he pulled us aside and he said you know - and he was eighteen years old he'd been at the orphanage since he was very young, and he was in leadership now. And he said you know there is one rule at this orphanage, if you are caught molesting another child you're gone, you're out on the street. That's really the only unpardonable rule. And he said you know I haven't done that but I have always feared that I would.

Sid Roth: How did he have the confidence to even or the boldness to even tell you this?

Dawna DeSilva: Well, when you get to know us, we really are gentle, we're very kind, and he, I guess he just decided it's worth trusting.

Sid Roth: Now this is as you phrase it a gentle form of deliverance. Do people scream and manifest all sorts of demons?

Dawna DeSilva: Hopefully not. We hope not. If it does happen you know we've had situations where we've had to calm people down, but it's not, we've come into that situation.

Sid Roth: What's the norm?

Dawna DeSilva: The norm is you come in for a session with us. And so you're normal and you're fine and we're just like we are here.

Teresa Liebscher: But when you go looking for wounds and lies, you don't necessarily - you don't have to confront the demonic. But you go for the roots and you go for the wounds and the lies and that's what a lot of people have said has been that much more kind of more gentle way of doing it. Because it is honoring somebody and loving on them where they exactly where they're at.

Sid Roth: Okay, so this eighteen year old, you have his confidence, he's opening up, he's having these thoughts, he just doesn't know what to do about it.

Dawna DeSilva: He doesn't know...

Sid Roth: Did he consider not helping in the orphanage?

Dawna DeSilva: He was like I don't know what to do, I'm afraid to touch the children. I'm just afraid. And we talked earlier about destiny, and we said okay would you mind coming through this with us? We sat him in a chair, and we had him start working through the memories. And we said, okay Jesus where did this fear come in and he says well I got to tell you, he said, the demon that was on me left four years ago when this man came from alcoholics anonymous and prayed the demon off of me. And so the drive to molest the children is gone. He said but I just have the fear left. I said okay we could do that. So we go back and where did this come in and the Lord took him to a memory where he was bout four, and he had begun to molest his sisters and the neighborhood children. And we said, where is Jesus? And Jesus showed up right in the midst of this. I mean that's mind boggling that that's true, but God was there and he said what's the lie that I'm believing, and he said that I'm evil. Well Jesus what's the truth? And this guy was, he was just crying, what's the truth? That I'm not evil. And bum, he's set free from this fear.

Sid Roth: Now wait a second, he should know this.

Dawna DeSilva: We don't know this! That's why we're in ministry.

Sid Roth: People don't.

Dawna DeSilva: They don't know this. We know it here, but we don't know it in our where it counts. We don't know its truth. We don't know inside that I mean the enemy lies to us too and every time he would go to touch one of the boys the enemy would be saying, what do you want?

Sid Roth: So what happened after you prayed for him?

Dawna DeSilva: He was so set free. And we began to prophesy over him, his destiny, and he's really a pastor, I mean his heart is pastoral...

Sid Roth: So he would have never even entertained being a pastor if he hadn't been set free.

Dawna DeSilva: No, because he needed to draw them in and he couldn't draw them in because he couldn't touch them. What do I want from them?

Sid Roth: Speaking of pastors, there was a you told me about another pastor that I believe had been involved in: I believe it was pornography for how many years?

Dawna DeSilva: It was at least twenty-five years, and I'm thinking more thirty in this story, but we actually went to a ministry and he came and said you know you are my last hope. Either this works or I'm out of the ministry. And we're like okay, well we know God works so come on in and we sat him down and we actually took a little to find out where this came from. And again, we're not looking for sin, like Teresa said: we are looking for the wounds and the lies. So I didn't ask him...

Sid Roth: But the norm is what is your sin, pornography, so we just pray a spirit of pornography off the person, goodbye, you're fine, and they're not fine.

Dawna DeSilva: Exactly. It's not fine because there is a reason why you picked up that sin. So we've got to find out why you picked it up. So we found out, okay we took him where did this come in? And it was bizarre. The Lord took to when his father died. And he was hauling, he was ten or twelve at the time, he was hauling these fifty-pound sacks of feed and he's like shouldering it all alone. And we asked him Jesus where were you? And he saw Jesus shouldering it, and taking the wait off him. And the lie was, I'm alone. And the truth was Jesus is there with me. Now how did this lead to pornography? You and I would not mentally be able to figure that out.

Sid Roth: No, I'm thinking that while you talk.

Dawna DeSilva: What happened was every time someone came up to him and made him feel alone, he went to comfort through pornography.

Sid Roth: What did he say before you started about his condition?

Dawna DeSilva: Help.

Sid Roth: But I thought you'd said he said I've tried everything this is my last hope.

Dawna DeSilva: I've tried everything, this is my last hope. Yeah.

Sid Roth: That's sad.

Teresa Liebscher: And at the end of it he said what?

Dawna DeSilva: And at the end of it he goes, oh, he just sat back and said it's going to be a fair fight. He said the enemy is still going to talk to me: pornography is still going to be in front and out there. He says but i, it's a fair fight. When I get to the place where I feel alone, where I feel like I'm the only one holding on here, I don't have to pick that up, its not my friend. Jesus is right here with me shouldering the weight. And it will be a fair fight.

Sid Roth: Teresa, very quickly tell me what doors you have found that cause access by evil spirits.

Teresa Liebscher: We have the tool, four doors, and they are called hatred, fear, occult and sexual sin. And pretty much everything that we deal with, the wounds and the lies can come through those four doors.

Sid Roth: For instance, the two examples that Dawna was using were sexual sins and what I'm wondering is the way our internet is, the way our media is, I mean literally at my office they are just minding their own business and something with pornography will pop up, having nothing to do with the person on, doing their work. It is unsolicited...

Teresa Liebscher: You don't even have to solicit it anymore.

Sid Roth: And it just pops up, I mean what is going on with people that aren't free?

Teresa Liebscher: Yeah. And because it really is a very comforting thing to do because it really meets so many of the needs that we have and so having people understand that that's a door open and that the Lord can come in and close that door, can come and meet those needs that you have. And he's the one that can be the answer for it. It is a fair fight, you can close the doors, you can seal it with the blood of Jesus. And you can achieve your destiny. You can have that close relationship with each one of the Godhead.

Sid Roth: Did you hear that? It is a fair fight. How would you like to be able to say that? Some of the tools that we've just talked about in this interview, you can grab hold of. It doesn't take much. All it takes is a crumb. A crumb of God's word. And I say in Jesus name you will fulfill your destiny: I say in Jesus name it will be a fair fight. I say in Jesus name hopelessness go, new hope, new excitement, don't look back, look forward and when you look forward look at Jesus. One of my favorite scriptures lately has been about king David, this was before Jesus died and rose from the dead, and he said, I behold the Lord always at my right hand. How could he be afraid of anything? You can behold the Lord always at your right hand. Make him your Lord, repent of your sins. Believe the blood has set you free.
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