Sid Roth - God Spoke 4 Powerful Words Over Us That You Must Hear
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Tom and Ginny Hauser. Tom, give me a break, you're making a quarter of a million dollars a year, you're a nuclear engineer, you have it made, Ginny I guess you're kind of happy with his career...
Ginny Hauser: Oh yes.
Sid Roth: And then one day he gets this thing in his head Ginny that he wants to leave his job and go into ministry. How did you get that in your head?
Tom Hauser: Well it was a journey: it really has been a journey. We got saved back in about 1974, my wife got saved first, and the Lord brought me into the kingdom, I call it be the two by four method. Our daughter had been sick, I thought I was saved, I had been raised in a Methodist denomination, when our daughter got sick, all of my scientist background, I had really made science an idol, rationalization...
Sid Roth: Now I find engineers are very difficult to believe in the invisible world as a people group. When someone is next to me on an airplane and they say they're n engineer I say, oh brother!
Tom Hauser: That's what happened to me, my wife came home and she said I got saved, and I argued with her and I said you've been a good Catholic girl, you've been saved, you know what are you talking about. Well, our daughter got sick, and at nine months they put her in the hospital. And we had a Jewish doctor, doctor Nichman, and they had tried everything to find out what was wrong with her intestinal disorder, and they essentially gave up, they had tried all the testing, they had her on intravenous feeding. My wife got home and said we're going to a healing service and we are going to trust that Jesus will heal her.
Sid Roth: Did you believe it's possible?
Tom Hauser: No.
Sid Roth: I know you didn't Tom. Give me a break, a nuclear engineer.
Tom Hauser: And I walked into the hospital room after doctor Nichman had told us basically they had given up, my wife walked in with me and my daughter was essentially tied down because they had been i-v feeding her and she wanted to pull it out of her head, and I had the closest thing to a nervous breakdown. I said I've got to leave, I drove home in tears, we lived in the woods in upstate New York, I was working on a nuclear site for the fast attack submarine service at that point. And I said to God in anguish of my soul, I said, I've heard all my life from my mother that you are a God who does all these good things, if you even exist, heal my daughter. And if you will, then I'll talk to you. Well...
Sid Roth: Big of you to be so gracious with the Creator of the universe.
Tom Hauser: Yeah, it was pretty arrogant, now I, oh my Lord. Well about a week later my wife came home and said we're going to a healing service. There was a Baptist pastor named reverend Floyd Baker. He had been hells angel, got converted, he looked like a hells angel in a suit, right. We go to this open-air park at upstate New York in Schenectady, and he's giving words of knowledge. And I'm thinking man, this is a scam, this just can't be true you know, I don't even know what these are, and all of a sudden he points, he stops in the middle of his sermon and he points to the bleachers where I'm sitting in the back with my wife and said there's a couple praying for a young child, and that child is being healed of an intestinal disorder right now. And I said, man, I think I said to my wife, did you tell him.
Ginny Hauser: He did, he did. But I didn't.
Tom Hauser: And she gets on her knees worshipping Christ, and I'm like, my left-brain is going tilt.
Sid Roth: I understand.
Tom Hauser: And so at that point we went to doctor Nichman, I think he thought we were very stressed. My wife explained to the Jewish doctor that Jesus had just healed our baby. And so we took the baby, my wife a great woman of faith, the doctor had given me all these prescription things, you know that I was supposed to buy, and I bought a hundred dollars worth of banana flakes, Pedialyte, mineral substitutes, be careful he's warning. She gets home and says, don't worry about that stuff, Jesus has healed the baby, puts the baby in a high chair, puts the finger food, and little Sarah ate I don't know how many meals in that one sitting. About a week later, she's still well, and she is gaining weight. And at that point I took a walk in the woods after the doctor said, well whatever is going on here, I don't know how to explain it, keep doing what you're doing. And I took a walk...
Sid Roth: But wait a second. How in the world did you know to believe like that? You're a baby believer in God yourself.
Ginny Hauser: I had, I had no other choice. I just was a desperate mom and I wanted for my child, and I said, you know I had just gotten save, started to believe that the Lord was real, he wasn't just someone you prayed to and you are doing a good deed or something, so I said we are going to believe this and see if that is really real.
Sid Roth: I know, but you have a Tom, a doubting Tom over here.
Ginny Hauser: Well we believe in complete opposites you see. And I said lets just trust God for it.
Sid Roth: Okay.
Ginny Hauser: And we did.
Sid Roth: So Tom, you go out in the woods...
Tom Hauser: I go out in the woods and say, okay, so you are real, I don't like your methods, I don't like it at all. So that's what I tell people now. I'm one of those guys, a two by four, there is a pastor I tell this joke once in a while. There is a pastor, an old pastor who had a horse and he loved this horse, and he's given this horse away to another one, and he says I just have one criteria, you need to love this horse and treat him well. So the young man says I can do that, so he gets up on the horse and says gitty-up and the horse doesn't go anywhere. So the old pastor picks up a two-by-four, whacks the horse on the side of the head and says now go. And the young man says I thought you said be nice to him, and he says, I am, I'm just getting his attention.
Sid Roth: Okay.
Tom Hauser: So God got my attention.
Sid Roth: And?
Tom Hauser: At that point I really surrendered. I said all right I give up, I don't understand it, I'm willing to check my rationalism, all my science stuff, I've made an idol out of science, you've obviously done something here I don't understand. I want more. And at that point, a week later, I think my wife invited a young man, one of the men from our church who had been in this guitar mass who had led my wife to the Lord, he came over and says, why don't you just give up and why don't you surrender, you'll go free. How do I do that? There's got to be a plan, there's got to be a model, I'm a man of models and all that. He led me to Christ and within one minute I got the gift of tongues. And I didn't really understand al of what that was, there's been a lot of controversy with it...
Sid Roth: Well you know what happened you had what was known as a, you've heard of heart bypass, he had a mind bypass. He started speaking a language that he had never been trained. This can't happen to an engineer, but it did. Don't go away, we'll be right back.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Tom and Ginny Hauser. Now Tom is making a quarter of a million dollars a year as a nuclear engineer, his wife gets radically saved and experience with Jesus, then they see their daughter healed, and his engineering mind goes tilt, and he also becomes radical for Jesus, even to the point of speaking a language his brain had never been taught, the Bible called it unknown tongues, or unknown languages, and Tom, you were growing dissatisfied being a nuclear engineer but then you get this radical idea of going into ministry. Tell me about that?
Tom Hauser: I had gotten transferred from the nuclear site in North Carolina, and ended up in Georgia, and we were in a vineyard church in Georgia. And at that point I'm really dissatisfied, I'm really getting to the top of my game, I'd been promised a very large promotion, and at that point I said this isn't it, this is not you've answered my prayers, but this is not it. So I tell my wife I believe the Lord's calling me into full time ministry...
Sid Roth: And Ginny, what did you think about that?
Ginny Hauser: Are you nuts?
Sid Roth: What do you mean, are you nuts? First you want him to become a believer in Jesus and now he's going a little too far. You liked the quarter of a million?
Ginny Hauser: But I was, you know, the hair done, the nails and all that stuff. And we loved Jesus the whole time. I mean in the corporate world...
Sid Roth: So why won't you let him become...
Ginny Hauser: Because I had this idea in my mind, oh Lord I would never want to be a pastor's wife.
Tom Hauser: You'll send us to Africa or something.
Ginny Hauser: Yeah. I just thought you know they were some weird breed.
Sid Roth: So how did you change your mind?
Ginny Hauser: Well I went to bed asking the Lord and praying and saying oh my Lord could this be you? Where are you giving my husband this idea? And all night he played this song, like this spoke to me all night, and said, won't you trust me? Won't you trust me? So sweet the Holy Spirit spoke to me. And I got up, woke up in the morning and the Lord reminded me of a sort of impression in 1989. We had just moved into a brand new house, and we had the whirlpool tub and all that, and I felt like there was this spirit saying, well enjoy it now, because within ten years your whole life is going to change and be different. And I said boy I must be just dreaming I'm enjoying and the Lord brought that to my remembrance and here it was the year 1990...
Tom Hauser: It was within six months of that one.
Ginny Hauser: Eight. So it's almost like ten years and so I said, could is this the, is this the,
Tom Hauser: Fulfillment of...
Ginny Hauser: Fulfillment of what I felt the spirit was speaking to us and he said yes. And so I said... and he kept saying won't you trust me, and I said yes, I will trust you Lord. And I told Tom and he goes what?
Tom Hauser: Now she's scared me!
Sid Roth: Now you're the one that's scared.
Ginny Hauser: Now he's scared again.
Tom Hauser: I had three fleeces before the Lord, I don't know about, but I had asked three things of the Lord, I said Lord you've got to give my wife the same heart, because I won't go into ministry without it. And then send me two people that don't know anything and let them speak to me about this. So that night a woman from our church came up and said you need to come be a pastor in our church and I argued with her. We drove back to Georgia, and a man called us up, his wife called us up and said we need to come over tonight. And I said not tonight, we're tired. And she was kind of forceful which was not like her, they came over and we were speaking and in the middle all of a sudden the man said I see a big cymbal with a general electric sign on it with a red line through, you're not working for general electric anymore, you're going to be a pastor in a large church, and I said oh.
Ginny Hauser: Well we looked at each other and said that must be...
Tom Hauser: That's it.
Ginny Hauser: Conformation of the Lord.
Sid Roth: Yeah, but Ginny you are a nice executive's wife, living the good, the nails and everything
Ginny Hauser: But I was still going to be the executive's wife, see.
Sid Roth: Okay. Did you every in your wildest imagination could see yourselves casting demons out of people in foreign countries like Brazil? Ever, Ginny?
Ginny Hauser: Never in a million years, but you know its God doing it.
Sid Roth: How do you like the word that Ginny had, can you trust me? Watch what happens when two people say yes God, I can trust you. We'll be right back and find out about the most amazing people being set free of demons. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Tom and Ginny Hauser. What happens when corporate America decides to through in the towel and go into ministry? Now Ginny, if someone had told you that you would be going to Brazil casting demons out of people, being a nice corporate wife, living the good life, husband making a quarter of a million dollars a year, never would you, would you?
Ginny Hauser: Oh my goodness no. No, I'm just a typical person.
Sid Roth: Tom, did you believe that there were really demons? The truth.
Tom Hauser: Honestly no. I knew that men were capable of evil, because you can see that, very rational. Someone had told me that the Lord was going to pull my shirttail out, mess up my hair, and mismatch my socks, and I got that word and said but he's done all of that and some. I used to think that the demons, the devil, the horns, all that was Hollywood stuff to sell movies...
Sid Roth: Okay. I'm going to take you two to Brazil the first time you had an encounter with demons. Tell me about it.
Tom Hauser: That was really amazing. We were with a ministry, global awakening, Randy Clarke, and there was only thirteen, fourteen, of us on that trip, eleven of them are from out church and I'm supposed to be the pastor who knows everything.
Sid Roth: Of course.
Tom Hauser: Protect them, and we're in a ministry meeting, the church is filled, we're in a very poor section of Brazil, and there was a word given for those who were terminally ill. And Randy said I'm going to preach, the team needs to take the terminally ill to the back and pray for them. So we go back, and I'm telling you Sid, it was a sight: it was just a sad sight. There were many dying of aids, there were those in wheelchairs, it was a sad sight. My wife started I was praying for a woman with aids, and my wife started to pray for a woman, her name was Priscilla.
Ginny Hauser: It was Priscilla. I had interviewed her as we're told to do and find out the details, and of course you are working through an interrupter.
Sid Roth: Right.
Ginny Hauser: So it takes a little time. But I was finding that I was getting nowhere as far as praying for her, and it wasn't happening, and the more questions I asked through the interrupter I found out that she had been involved in, had a family history of curses put on her, witchcraft, and this is prevalent in Brazil, it's you know. So I said stay right here with the interrupter, I'll go get my husband, he's good at that stuff. So I went and got Tom, he had finished praying for the other woman.
Sid Roth: He's the expert in demons: he doesn't even believe they exist.
Ginny Hauser: Yes, he's the expert. Well anyway, we together ministered to this woman named Priscilla, and she was, I'll let Tom share, it was just really precious how - she had a deformed leg from a curse put on her, believe it.
Sid Roth: How deformed was it?
Ginny Hauser: She could not walk.
Sid Roth: That's deformed.
Ginny Hauser: She could not walk without a huge limp, and you could see it was curved.
Tom Hauser: The foot was ninety degrees out, at one year old, her father had made fun of a neighbor child who was crippled and in Brazil there is a group called the mucumba witchcraft people, and he had a curse put on his family from what happened. At one years old this Priscilla's foot turned out, she had nine surgeries. She came crippled, her back out of alignment, and when she started to tell us about this I said, okay. Well, I read the book, and the Bible talks about demonization. At that point my wife and I we went through our first deliverance with this woman, taking authority, not knowing well, we'd read a lot of key books at that time.
Sid Roth: Now had you read this book at that time.
Tom Hauser: Yes, yes. Derek prince.
Sid Roth: I knew him personally and he said that when he was writing this book that he and his wife had had the toughest time. This is so valuable, it tells it all. But go ahead.
Tom Hauser: So it was a pretty graphic deliverance for us. I won't give you any details of it but you can imagine some of the Hollywood stuff, and I'm thinking wow. Every time I used the name of Jesus the demonic realm would respond, and they would have to listen and behave and go and leave. So at that point after about two hours of this graphic deliverance Priscilla turned to us through the translator and said, I believe I can walk. And with my wife on one side of her elbow, and me on the other, as she walked across the room, her ninety degree foot turned straight.
Sid Roth: Really.
Ginny Hauser: Straightened out.
Tom Hauser: Her back came into alignment...
Sid Roth: Could you actually see this?
Ginny Hauser: You could see it. It wasn't complete at that time, but she definitely started walking with more strength, less of a limp, and she was filled with joy.
Tom Hauser: I wondered why God and here the engineer kicks in why is there only five percent of this not complete God? The next night she shows up, and I'm like excited I got I just saw this thing, you know the rational mind, so at that point I had her come and we prayed that the Holy Spirit would finish the work. And sid she, during the midst of worship, it was as if she had grabbed an electrical line, started shaking, she hit the ground, I pushed through the crowd, and her husband looked at me, he was very happy, because he had a crippled wife the night before...
Sid Roth: Right.
Tom Hauser: He doesn't, they have a one-year-old child and they are worried...
Ginny Hauser: That she's going to be cursed as well.
Tom Hauser: And in the midst of that, I said to him, and I felt the spirit in me, and I didn't know how to portuguese, but I said this, be healed in the name of Jesus. And right before my eyes her leg went completely straight. And he looked at me like, did you see that? That night the husband, Priscilla, and their one-year-old, finish the story honey, walked up to us. She gave us that...
Ginny Hauser: Oh she gave us a letter, which I thought you would bring. But anyway she signed it I love you, thank you so much, Priscilla. And he has it in one of his Bibles. We should have brought it, but it was such a precious testimony of the love of Jesus.
Sid Roth: The two of you have ministered to a lot of people in deliverance, but you mention something called curses. What could some of the symptoms be, if people are viewing us right now have curses, what would some of the symptoms be?
Tom Hauser: Torment, such that at night you are unbelievably tormented and lack of peace. Strongholds, where you are doing things you know you do not want to do but there just seems to be compulsion that I cannot stop. It can be drugs, it can be alcohol, it can be pornography, there is a place where you opened that door that it's almost a place where you invite in a presence. No one wakes up and says I'm going to be a drug addict or an alcoholic, or I'm going to be someone who overeats, or I'm going to be in some bondage to pornography. But we have done ministry now in all of those cases and that stronghold gets a hold and invites that darkness in.
Sid Roth: Tom could you pray for people and break the curses because I understand curses can go back four generations, break up to four generations of curses right now over people.
Tom Hauser: I believe there is someone here tonight, you've tuned in, and I believe this is a divine appointment, it's a point where you've come. I want to pray now this bondage that you're in. In the name of Jesus we come and we take authority over all the curses, generational curses that have been placed upon you, that which has visited not by your choice. And then those who are stuck in bondages who have opened the door to sin, and you are now in a place where you cannot seem to get free, in the name of Jesus Christ, we break that authority off your life, we ask that you would come, and you'd run to the foot of Christ and you'd throw yourself at his feet and he will set you free. In Jesus name.
Ginny Hauser: It's done in Jesus name.
Sid Roth: Now you sound like you're sure of that.
Ginny Hauser: I'm sure of it because I've seen it, and God's word will not return and not do its work.
Sid Roth: Tom, you prayed for one more deliverance, tell me about it?
Tom Hauser: Probably the one that was very dramatic, we had a doctor degreed, she's in my church, she's been in my church, doctor degreed uncw professor, I'm going to call her name Sally, 20 years as a Christian, had gone to psychologists, many, many psychologists, she'd spent thousands of dollars to psychologists trying to get trying to get free of torment and anger towards her husband who was a non-believer. She came to me and she said there's something really wrong, when I start to pray, I begin to curse my God. And she said...
Sid Roth: Hum. I'd say something's wrong.
Tom Hauser: I know this is not good. So she set up and she came in, one of my associates was with me, my secretary from church. And we began to pray, she went through a list of prayer that we do, and in the midst of this, dramatically, again this is the left brainer, I used to think, man this is dramatic, I'm just telling you as it happened. In the midst of praying she renounced witchcraft, she'd been involved in the occult, she had been to mediums, to psychics, her mother was a sHaman, a psychic, and she realized that she'd ask to be forgiven of that, but never renounced the generational curse of that. When she spoke the words I renounce the generational curse of witchcraft, she got up in a violent state, and in a male voice, this is a young, short woman, spoke in a male voice and said, you can't have her, she's mine and I'm high level. Something rose up in me, I hate the enemy, I just do, the enemy of your soul that is out to destroy people, and I said I know someone higher level than you and his name is Jesus Christ. You do not have authorization to her, and it says, the spirit started to cry, and it said well where will I go? And I said go to the place of the dryness that Jesus created, and it said all right. And instantly she came, and the personality of the woman came forward and she said, it's gone, I sense it's gone. Now that was two and a half years ago, she has come before our church giving testimony. She even brought a large sum of money to bless the church because she said: I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars with secular counselors. You cannot counsel a demon. Jesus made it clear in the Bible, he didn't counsel them, he cast them out.
Sid Roth: Well you know Derek prince personally said to me, God does not set you free of your friends, he sets you free of your enemies. And these demons are enemies. But I want you to capture this vision, the devil is say, the size of a human, God is the size of the Washington monument. I mean give me a break, when you say the name of Jesus all the forces of God come against those demons. The demons are actually more afraid of you than you are of them. Perfect love cast out al fear, and love has a name, his name is Jesus and boy does he love you. You just reach out to him.