Sid Roth - A Power Gave Him This Supernatural Ability
This professional counselor had a power supernaturally come upon him that allows him to help people in minutes instead of years. That's my kind of counselor. Next on this edition of it's supernatural.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Vince Callahan and he's my kind of counselor. Let me read, I mean, this is really outrageous. You know, someone goes to a counselor to get help. I never hear reports like this one I'm going to read. "I was seeing Vince for some counseling issues. On my next appointment we began to talk and then Vince asked if he could pray for me. I told him it was okay. He lifted his hand towards me and I could feel fire to the point that I actually began to sweat, even though the air conditioning was on in the office. I found myself unable to move from my chair for an hour. God worked on my heart. The pain of childhood seemed to go away and for the first time I felt clean on the inside". I mean, it sounds too good to be true. Vince, it sounds too good to be true.
Vince Callahan: It's not. It's not.
Sid Roth: I mean, but you went, you studied to be a counselor.
Vince Callahan: I have a degree in counseling from regent university. I spent two years doing a clinical study there. I've been doing professional counseling for 17 years. I learned all the right questions to ask and all the techniques to do. And I stopped counting at 6000 hours of sitting in front of people, several years ago, so I've documented that much clinical time in front of people.
Sid Roth: truthfully, truthfully, how much good did you do under the old method, really and truly? I wonder sometimes.
Vince Callahan: There was good. Two kinds of people come to counseling: those that are in crisis and just want to feel better for a moment and actually want to work on their lives. The ones who want to feel better they did, but they stopped counseling and they probably didn't get any better. The ones who really wanted to do the work, yes, but typically people would come to see me from six weeks to a year every week, and yes, you can teach them how to live life and get to some of the roots of stuff, but it wasn't a fast supernatural encounter.
Sid Roth: Help me out. Was it sort of, I think of counseling many times as teaching people how to cope with their life, in life rather than freedom.
Vince Callahan: In the secular world, yes. In secular psychology it is identify what is the issue in your life and then here's how you're going to live with this issue the rest of your life. Even as a Christian counselor I don't believe we're supposed to do that. I believe we can exchange what's on the inside of us and give it to God and he'll give us peace in return. I'm not a traditional counselor even before revival because I would have worship music in my office, have a little waterfall so it's kind of very soothing and people are very comfortable doing it. But since revival changed my life, the counseling has taken on a whole new level.
Sid Roth: I know and I'm fascinated by it. But let's kind of go back to the beginning. As a young boy you heard the audible voice of God.
Vince Callahan: Yes.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that.
Vince Callahan: Age seven, went to a church youth camp, first time ever being away from home. The guy who preached talked about you need to be a Christian and I had never done that, so I walked down front, accepted Jesus as my Savior, and I heard a voice behind me say, "Preach". And I turned around and no one was there.
Sid Roth: Was it audible?
Vince Callahan: Yes, audible like you and I are talking. I heard a voice and it said "Preach". This happened three times and every time I would turn around there was nobody behind me. There was no kid playing a joke. There was no counselor behind me. There was nobody there. And I went home and told my mom, and I said, "Mom, I think I'm going to be a preacher". And she looked at me and smiled, and she said, "I know". I didn't know then, but she told me later in life when she was pregnant with me she had gone to a revival meeting. The evangelist had said, "Can I pray for you", and when he did he said, "You are going to have a son and he'll be in the ministry. He'll be a preacher". So this was prophesied even before I came on the scene.
Sid Roth: Then you had quite an experience with supernatural languages or the Bible calls it tongues. Tell me about that.
Vince Callahan: Age 13, in church, the speaker talked about getting filled with the Holy Spirit and what that would do for your life and was a place of intimacy with the Lord. And I said, well I want that. So I walked down. He actually used me as an example. He said, "Let me ask you if you want this five dollar bill". I said, "Yes I do". He says, "What do you have to do to take it"? I said, "Take it out of your hand". So I did and he said, "That's how easy it is to get the Holy Spirit". I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and I was one of those strange ones, I couldn't speak English for three days. If you asked me...
Sid Roth: What do you mean one of those strange ones? I've only heard about this once or twice in my life. You could not speak. Did you go to school?
Vince Callahan: No. My mom kept me home.
Sid Roth: I'm glad she did. You have a smart mom.
Vince Callahan: Right. But if you asked me a question I would answer you in tongues. I could not speak English.
Sid Roth: Did you know what you were saying?
Vince Callahan: No I didn't. I had no interpretation of it. I just couldn't do it. I could not speak English for three days. So I stayed home and I talked in tongues for three days. And finally I guess it went away or whatever, got control of it, and then I went back to school.
Sid Roth: Then a youth pastor prayed for you and you were out for how many hours?
Vince Callahan: At age 15, I decided to go against my parents' church background. I wanted to be a little rebellious, so I tried a little marijuana and did a little drinking, and did some of that rebellious stuff. And went to youth camp again, and my youth pastor, a friend of mine said, "You need to change your life" and took me down front. The youth pastor just laid hands on me, prayed for me. I found myself overwhelmed with the power of God. I was on the floor, couldn't move, and that's when I really saw me preaching and ministering, and believe that's when God called me into the ministry. I was out for about four and a half hours.
Sid Roth: When someone is out, I've heard that. In other words, the Spirit of God comes on someone, as we read about in the Jewish scriptures, and they couldn't even stand in the temple. But could you have got, when you said out, where you out, out, or were you just in a euphoric state?
Vince Callahan: I was out and in my mind I saw scenes of me standing in an auditorium preaching and ministering.
Sid Roth: Why did you stay down there for so many hours though?
Vince Callahan: I couldn't get up.
Sid Roth: Why couldn't you get up?
Vince Callahan: I was talking to the Lord. I couldn't move. I didn't consciously know that I was in that youth camp hall. You go to a different place. I know John said in revelation, "I was in the spirit". In other words, he crossed into another place. A lot of people in the secular world call that going into a trance. I liken that where we get out of physical mind and we're into the supernatural world. And that night my body was in that youth camp hall. I know I was still there, but I was with the Lord and he was showing me scenes of the future.
Sid Roth: That's got to be so exciting, but was it a little terrifying for you?
Vince Callahan: At 15, when you realize that there is that kind of call of God on your life, yes, it is scary.
Sid Roth: Okay. But in tampa, you went with your, all your psychology and your analytical mind, and you saw a move of God's spirit. Even though you had had those experiences you were kind of skeptical.
Vince Callahan: Yes. I had heard about revivals breaking out where people laughed or they laid on the floor, acted drunk. And even though I was raised in Pentecostal circles, I didn't really care about that stuff. And i, at this time, was a professional counselor. I had a nice office. I worked in a very large church and had status. I was on a national referral list. I had a waiting list of people to come to see me. I go to this revival meeting, sit in the back row, crossed my arms, kind of like God impressed me, if you can, which don't ever do that because God will impress you, and that night the guy preached and I only remember him talking about decisions you've made in your life. I went home that night, driving by myself. I prayed a very simple prayer: God, there's things that you've called me to do in my life. I'm not doing them. I'm a professional. I wish I could do those things, because there was a longing deep inside. And I went back the second night and halfway through the service this man stopped everything he was doing. He walked over and said, "Who are you"? I went, "Nobody". He said, "No, tell me your name". And usually when someone does that your eyes get real big because you're afraid he's going to tell you all the sin you've done in your life.
Sid Roth: He's going to read your mail.
Vince Callahan: Yes he is and I didn't want that. But he said, "Can I tell you something"? And I said yes. And he quoted my prayer word for word. There was nobody in the car. I told no one. There was no way he would know that except God told him. And he quoted that prayer, and he said, "And now God is going to release into the ministry that he called you to even when you were in your mother's womb".
Sid Roth: My goodness.
Vince Callahan: So when he did that he put his hand up. I couldn't stand. I fell, overwhelmed by the power of God. I was there several hours, heard the most beautiful music I had ever heard in my life.
Sid Roth: Was it the worship group?
Vince Callahan: I thought so because when I got up later, I asked them, "What CD were you playing"? And they said, "Vince, we stopped the music over an hour ago".
Sid Roth: So what was this, where did this worship come from?
Vince Callahan: I can only say it was heavenly worship. I can only say that I was...
Sid Roth: Had you heard anything on a CD since that's as good?
Vince Callahan: No, never, never. I have a lot of worship cds and I've never heard anything.
Sid Roth: Listen, if you can record it sometime I really want to hear it.
Vince Callahan: Yes, me too, I would love to record it.
Sid Roth: But things after that started really changing in your life. Some manifestations occurred, even oil coming out of your hands.
Vince Callahan: Yes. The first thing that happened was that my practice, my side of my practice dried up. My clients started getting better.
Sid Roth: That doesn't sound good.
Vince Callahan: I know. It scared me a little bit.
Sid Roth: You mean it dried up because they were getting better.
Vince Callahan: They were getting better. They were getting supernaturally healed.
Sid Roth: Instead of taking a year, you were taking how long?
Vince Callahan: An hour.
Sid Roth: An hour.
Vince Callahan: Hour and a half.
Sid Roth: An hour, an hour and a half. Did you hear that? That's my kind of counseling. I mean, I'm in the McDonald's generation. How about you? It gets better. Trust me. He's going to tell you how to move in that realm. Come on back after these words. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Vince Callahan. He's my kind of counselor. I mean, when he counsels people things happen and his business dried up. You know why it dried up? Everyone he was counseling got better, but didn't get better in a year, a year and a half, three years, ten years, never. In a matter, sometimes, minutes. Tell me about that woman who had something biologically, physically happen to her eyes when you counseled her.
Vince Callahan: At one of our conferences, I had ministered on healing of the soul and the wounds that we have locked up inside of us and when I prayed for her, laid hands on her, I saw her eyes go from brown to blue. Her eyes literally changed color. I had only seen this one other time when I had done some work with some adopted children and I saw that process of release. But this night it was a supernatural thing, because when I laid hands on her and began to pray and the thing about her, she had been told she had a demon in her. It wasn't a demon. It was locked up emotional garbage and when that was freed, the eyes changed color. It was amazing to watch.
Sid Roth: And so you just prayed for her. What was her response? I mean, it's nice that her eyes changed color. What was going on with all her psychological problems?
Vince Callahan: All the stuff that she had bottled up inside for years released supernaturally to the point that I was with her that night at her home church. Her whole face, her whole countenance had changed. Everyone asked, "What happened to you this weekend? You're a new person. You look different. You're smiling different. Your eyes are different. What happened to you"? She said, "I've was prayed for and this released all of this stuff". And it was like Moses coming off the mountain. You could see the glory of God on this face. This lady, you could see something had changed in her.
Sid Roth: How do you know it wasn't just an emotional thing and in 24 hours she was back to the same old, same old?
Vince Callahan: Because I have talked to her since. I know what I felt when I prayed for her and I know what God did, and I know how he uses me.
Sid Roth: Okay. How about that pastor's wife that had something that many of you have got, addictions. A doctor had prescribed prescription medicine for you and now you're addicted. We hear about this happening all the time. So what happened?
Vince Callahan: The pastor's wife came to one of our conferences and Friday night is our session we do healing of the soul. The Lord had told me very specifically, "I want you to pray for her tonight". So when I ministered to people, she came down. I prayed for the first time and nothing happened. She stood there and she was kind of resistant, but nothing happened. I prayed for her a second time. Nothing happened again, but I knew God wanted to do something. And so the Lord said, "Go back one more time and tell her I have a gift for her if she will receive it". And so I talked to her, and I said, "The Lord has a gift for you". And what I found out later after the first and second time that I prayed for her she wanted to leave, but her feet were stuck to the floor and she couldn't move. Standing where she was, she said, "I physically tried to pick up my feet and move them and they would not move. So I just had to stand there and wait and see what God was going to do. So the third time I came back and I said, "The Lord has a gift for you if you'll receive it. He wants to give it to you". I laid hands on her and I prayed for her. She's one who has told me she never falls down when she's prayed for. She doesn't like the courtesy calls and she doesn't do all that. But this time God put her on the floor. She was there for an hour. And later she told me her story. She says, "I've been addicted to prescription medication for I believe some 12 to 14 years and still keeping everything in tact as a pastor's wife, you know, keep that secret that no one knows".
Sid Roth: That's a tough one.
Vince Callahan: Right. But on the floor, she saw herself in an operating room and on the one side she believes was Jesus and the other side, to the left her she heard a voice, but she couldn't see it. She believes that was the Father God. And on that operating table, Jesus had her heart in his hand, and her heart was mangled and scarred, and just horrible looking. And Jesus looked at her heart and he said, "I don't think we can fix this one. She's tried so many times to fix it on her own, to do all these things. I don't think we can fix this one". And the father said, "Give her a new one". And she said, "Vince, in an instant my heart went to a brand new heart and Jesus put that back in to me, and I'm different". Now when she got up off the floor she told me, she says, "I feel like I've been in surgery. My chest is actually hurting". But her countenance has changed. The addiction is gone. She is, her life was changing on the inside-out first.
Sid Roth: Now how long might it take if you were counseling the traditional way?
Vince Callahan: If she came to my office with what she had...
Sid Roth: She was motivated.
Vince Callahan: Right, and wanted help and had all the baggage that she had, it would take a year to 18 months, easily.
Sid Roth: No wonder your business dried up. Now God said something to you that I believe has changed your life. He said, "I want you to put worship first, work second". What did he mean and why did he tell you this?
Vince Callahan: I'm a busy person. It was not uncommon for me to work 60, 80 hundred hours a week. I like to stay busy and do things. My mother is a prayer warrior and she used to tell me of praying two and three, and four, and five hours at a time, and for me, I could never do that. If I start praying, within five minutes everything I need to do that day that was going through my mind, I just, I couldn't get there. Even though I had been in revival meetings and all that kind of stuff, I just couldn't, something was not right. And this one day in my office the Lord said, "Would you worship today first". I said, "Lord, I'm busy. I've got projects to do and I've got a schedule, and I've got clients coming later". He said, "Would you worship first". So I told my wife, who was my secretary, "Just hold my calls and don't come in and don't disturb me. I'm just going to worship". So I put on music, began to tell Jesus I love him, just laid down on the floor and began to worship. And I thought I had been there five minutes, and I looked at my watch and I had been there for five hours.
Sid Roth: That is amazing. Did this happen again?
Vince Callahan: And now it happens all the time because for me what that meant was if I lay down my ego and my drive, and my desire, and who that I am, and if I worship him first, and he told me, he said, "If you worship first you'll get more done in less time". So my lifestyle is worship.
Sid Roth: But you moved into a supernatural arena. You might have started in the natural, but you moved into it. Can I move into that arena?
Vince Callahan: Yes you can.
Sid Roth: I want to.
Vince Callahan: Yes you can.
Sid Roth: Can those that are viewing right now, can they move into that arena?
Vince Callahan: Yes. Anybody can.
Sid Roth: What do I do?
Vince Callahan: Find good worship music. Find a place to get alone. For me it's my office. I have a stereo in my office. I shut my door. I turn the phone off and I touch heaven. And if that takes five minutes or five hours, I don't care how long it's going to take me.
Sid Roth: In other words, if you're worshiping for say ten minutes and you feel nothing more than before you started, that won't discourage you.
Vince Callahan: Stay there. Keep doing it. Keep doing it because the first time that you really truly touch heaven and Jesus walks into the room or an angel walks into the room you will know it beyond a shadow of a doubt and you're hooked.
Sid Roth: Have you seen an angel walk into your room?
Vince Callahan: Yes I have.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that.
Vince Callahan: I've seen, here again, it's not necessarily with the eyes open, and alert and awake, but on the floor I know I've seen angels in the room. I've seen angels in worship, what they do in worship.
Sid Roth: What do they do?
Vince Callahan: I was in a service and angels came in. They were very tall and they had bowls in their hands. And as the worship leader was directing us, we were singing songs about who Jesus was and worshiping him, these bowls would fill up with smoke and then they would leave, and they would come back with an empty bowl. But then something happened that night. When we switched songs to a good performance song and it was a good upbeat praise song, there's nothing wrong with this, but when that happened, the angels stood in attention with their arms crossed and they waited for us to go back to worship. It's all about worship. Everything I do in my life centers out of my relationship with God. My counseling now, it's based on worship first and then technique second. Everything I do to prepare for speaking, everywhere I go it's about God, who are you and what do you want to do. People are so tired of plastic religion. They're so tired of going to a church service and singing three songs and hearing good 20-minute sermon, and then going home. They have real life issues and real needs, and they need to touch heaven. And when they do, God begins to change who we are. I didn't change because I went to school to learn how to be a counselor and knew all that kind of stuff. My nature changed because I spent time on the floor with Jesus.
Sid Roth: How about you? Are you content with where you are with God? I know you're not. Do you believe that there is something more? I know you do. Do you believe that God is not a respecter of persons? I know you believe that. So what Vince is saying is his life, his ministry's counseling was transformed. Whatever you do, take this as a challenge. I'm going to. Come along with me. Let's both walk into this realm together. Let's find a worship music cd that makes the angels happy and worship God. And it doesn't matter whether you do this for a week and nothing happens. You know why? It doesn't matter whether anything happens or not because you're worshiping God and he should be worshiped. But Vince has told me and I believe that a point will come when he sees that you're seeking him with all of your heart and this is what your heart is crying for. This is what you're believing God for. This is the purpose of your existence. And you know what? You could have missed it, but you're not going to. I have faith in you. I have faith that you are going to break through. And I want you to write us a letter and tell us about that breakthrough. I believe that you're about ready to experience love beyond anything you thought possible in this life, the love of God through Jesus the Messiah. Go for it. Go for the gold. It's your moment.