Sid Roth - A Voice from Heaven Told Me This Secret to Unlock Miracles
A voice from heaven told him how to get 80 to 100 percent of his audience healed. You heard me right, 80 to 100 percent. Next on this edition of It's Supernatural.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Roger Sapp. Now Roger, you would see one or two miracles and that would be it, if that even, over how many years?
Roger Sapp: It was about 20 years I had that experience of seeing maybe one or two people healed on an average in a year.
Sid Roth: And now it's 80 to a hundred percent. What transpired?
Roger Sapp: Well basically what happened to me is I had a change in the way that I looked at healing based on what Jesus has revealed to the father's will.
Sid Roth: No, but you heard something.
Roger Sapp: Yeah. The Lord asked me a question that began to have me reexamine everything. He said to me one day, 'why don't you receive me as your healer in the same way that you receive me as your Savior'. And that question led to me reexamining my beliefs, and that in turn, allowed me to start seeing a lot more healing.
Sid Roth: Okay. What does that really mean, see me as your healer the way you see me as your Savior? Explain to me.
Roger Sapp: Well what happened, Sid, is that I realized that I had received Jesus as my Savior. I had believed that he had died for my sins at the cross and that I needed to receive that fact by faith. In other words, knowing that had been accomplished. When I heard the good news about what Jesus had done I had believed that and I had experienced salvation. My life had completely changed. But I didn't approach healing that way at all, Sid. In fact, what I saw in those days is that if I didn't really feel healed I didn't believe I was healed. And so...
Sid Roth: So you had to feel before you would see.
Roger Sapp: Yes, exactly right.
Sid Roth: And so if never felt you never saw.
Roger Sapp: Exactly. Exactly. And so what I did in that particular day when I finally began to realize that my theology of healing, what I understood about healing was different and I was being inconsistent, I said, Jesus, I do believe that you healed me at the cross. The scripture declares, 'he bore our pain and carried our sorrows and by his stripes we are healed'. I believe that this work had already been done and yet I had never really received Jesus as my healer. And so one day I said, Lord, I think I understand the question now. Today I receive you as my healer in the same way that I received you as my Savior.
Sid Roth: Which was what? Spell it out for me.
Roger Sapp: Which was simply by believing that Jesus had already done the work for me at the cross, that not only was my sins taken care of for there, but also my sicknesses, my injuries. Everything that I needed was Christ had paid the price forth me. The work really was finished, that there was nothing for me to add.
Sid Roth: Okay. But you had had a horrible sickness. What was that?
Roger Sapp: Well I had ongoing problems with sinus infections that would get on one side and get on the other, and they would trigger off migraine headaches and this happened to me.
Sid Roth: Migraines are horrible.
Roger Sapp: Oh they're just terrible and, I mean, burning sensations through my head, and I had them three times a year on average and sometimes they would last for months. Even though I was taking medication for them it seemed very difficult to get rid of them. And I had one of these headaches. I had one of these sinus infections right after I received Jesus as my healer and there was a process I went through. For ten days I struggled.
Sid Roth: I don't think that was an accident, by the way.
Roger Sapp: No, I don't think so either.
Sid Roth: I think that was quite a test.
Roger Sapp: Yeah. And for ten days I struggled with believing that Jesus was my healer, but i...
Sid Roth: Did you almost throw the towel in during those ten days...
Roger Sapp: I did. Everything in my, you know, sensations, my body, everything was telling me this wasn't working. But I continued to confess out loud what the scriptures had said about it. I did everything I knew to do as a Christian just to focus my attention on what Jesus had done and I had this amazing breakthrough of being very, very ill after on the tenth day and being, and then in the next moments being completely healed. And it was such an amazing change that it really got my attention.
Sid Roth: How did you know that you were healed because you said it only happened a few times a year. Maybe it just wasn't happening.
Roger Sapp: Well my experience of healing, I didn't, you know, I was very sporadic. But when I would pray for others occasionally I would have someone healed. But what i, I was very ill. I had fever. I was, my stomach was upset. I had this raging headache and I went from that moment of having all these symptoms to the next moment of being completely well.
Sid Roth: So what exactly did you do?
Roger Sapp: Well I just looked to Jesus as my healer and I believed that.
Sid Roth: Sounds too simple.
Roger Sapp: Well I know. It's very simple.
Sid Roth: So how come we don't see that many churches that have this type of power?
Roger Sapp: Well simply because I think that we have way too much complexity. We've been taught many things that are not true about healing. In fact, what happened to me then, Sid, is I began to pray for other people in the same way that I received my own healing by focusing my attention on the fact that Jesus had paid the price for them as well, that he had born their sicknesses as well.
Sid Roth: Your wife was sick.
Roger Sapp: Yes.
Sid Roth: What happened to her?
Roger Sapp: Well it took about a year for us to press through, but she had chronic problems with asthma, took asthma medication every day, steroids and she went through kind of this process itself of going kind of three steps forward, two back. But she continued that process and today she doesn't have asthma at all. In fact, she's been completely healed of that. And but it took her a little bit longer to receive than it did me, but we still were able to receive. Today ann receives healing very, very easily. Recently as a nurse, she hurt her back very badly and she came home fairly crippled after going to the emergency room. And we prayed for her, and she received healing immediately on the spot.
Sid Roth: Okay. You had this word from God. He heard your, all you have to do is approach healing the same way you approach having your sins forgiven because the truth of the matter is that Jesus, 2000 years ago, paid the price for all of our diseases as well as all of our sins. I mean, intellectually, everyone that's read the Bible knows this and believes this, but there's something between intellectual and this receiving business. Well you went on a search.
Roger Sapp: Yeah. This really did get my attention. I began to see about 20 percent of the people I was praying for get healed simply by looking to Jesus as their healer. And that changed my experience. I began to see about 20 people a month being healed, Sid. And so before I was seeing one or two people a year. Now I'm seeing 20 people a month. That's, you know, more than a hundred times as much healing. And so I said to myself, what else don't you understand about healing? If this one minor change in the way that you're praying for people has had this much result, there's got to be other things you don't understand as well.
Sid Roth: So what about the 80 percent that's not being healed? Twenty is wonderful, but what about the 80?
Roger Sapp: Exactly. And Jesus obviously had a difference experience because the scripture says he healed everyone who came. So I went back to the New Testament and began to reexamine it in detail. I actually spent two years doing it and didn't know when I began it was going to be two years. But as I did that, I began to find that many of the things that I had been taught by the church in America were absolutely incorrect about healing.
Sid Roth: Maybe that's your problem. Maybe you have picked up tradition rather than truth and you believed a lie. You know what? I believe that God is going to heal you. I believe you're going to have a breakthrough in your understanding and almost that stiff neck of yours isn't going to be stiff any more in Jesus' name. Be back right after this word. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Roger Sapp and he used to have a couple of people healed that he'd pray for over a course of a year. I mean, but that was even unusual. However, something happened that totally transformed his life. He heard a voice from God in which God said, 'trust me the same way you trust me that I died on the cross for your sins on that tree. I want you to trust me for healing because I did it at the same time. It takes no more faith than your faith for salvation as it is for your healing'. That transformed his life. He went on a search and then as he searched the scriptures, he found 20 percent of the people were getting healed, and that's good. But I said to him, what about the 80 percent that were not? What about the 80 percent?
Roger Sapp: As I continued to search the scriptures, particularly the New Testament, the ministry of Christ, the Gospels, I saw many things that I believe were misconceptions. They were creating doubt in me about healing. For instance, I saw that Jesus consistently healed people. He never turned anybody away, that he had this reliable predictable kind of ministry and I recognize that that's not where I was at. I saw many of the details in Jesus' ministry begin to be glaring kinds of things at me that contradicted the beliefs that I had, Sid. For instance, I saw that Jesus didn't have to have prior knowledge about each person who came. I thought that you had to have a revelation about every person that you ministered healing for. Jesus often was surprised. The Bible says he marveled. Sometimes it looks like he was disappointed in things. He didn't have prior knowledge of every event that was going to happen, and when I began to see that, that captured my doubt. In other words, I began to know that when I laid hands on someone the father wanted them well because Jesus had revealed his perfect will by showing me that if that person had been in the multitude then Jesus would have healed them, and that he is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Sid Roth: How long did it take for you to get from 20 percent to 80 or a hundred percent?
Roger Sapp: Well about two years. We began to see a transformation. My inner nature began to be trained not to doubt any more. I was beginning to capture my doubts based on what Jesus revealed of the father's will. I began to see amazing difference in the amount of people getting healed.
Sid Roth: Now you grab the attention of people by starting out with a miracle. For instance, let's have a shot right now of an actual service where a miracle is taking place.
Sid Roth: Well what happened to Luther you could see how real that was. But what was that heat he was talking about?
Roger Sapp: Well normally I'd say that 75, 80 percent of the time when we pray for people they do experience something. They feel something. Like the woman with the issue of blood felt something happening to her body. And heat is a very normal manifestation when God is healing someone.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that woman with ms in the wheelchair.
Roger Sapp: Well I was in a service in the Toronto airport Christian fellowship back a year, year and a half, two years ago and there was a woman who had ms. Now she had seen a number of people healed on the stage. I had preached the Gospel. We had demonstrated that healing is available to people by getting people who were injured up on the stage and praying for them. I do like bad backs because it shows people can see something happening. And there had been some fairly dramatic miracles that had happened in that group of people. There was a man who had a very bad back who was wearing a brace and he was, after we prayed for him, he was just like rubber up on the stage. Well that what that does is when people hear the Gospel and they see it demonstrated, it causes their faith to rise. Well I was in the back of the stage and so two of these ladies came up to the edge of the stage and they said, 'would you pray for the lady who's in the wheelchair down there'. Well I'm not afraid of wheelchairs, sid, simply because I know I am not doing this. It's Jesus is healing the people. So a wheelchair is no different than anything else for me. I mean, it's no harder than a common cold because I can't get a cold healed on my own power.
Sid Roth: Of course.
Roger Sapp: But Jesus is able to do this. So I went down and began to pray with her. Now nothing is happening with the lady in the wheelchair that I can tell. In fact, because I know that I'm the same guy who was up on the stage a few minutes ago. I know God hasn't changed. I know the problem was with her and that's not to condemn her, that's to help her. And so I began to talk with Elaine and say, and find out, first of all, that she has ms and she can't move anything but her head to one side and she can move one arm. She has the other arm is in a sling and it's just dead weight pulling on her shoulder. She tells me that she was in such pain that she her two friends forced her to come to this service. And now I know the devil doesn't play fair with sick people.
Sid Roth: You know, some of you are in pain right now, right now, and I tell you that if you will only believe that God has done for you what he's doing for this woman, you'll find out about in a moment, Elaine. If loves you as much, he does love you as much. He did pay that price for you. And you know what? He loves you as much now as he'll ever love you. And let me tell you something. It's a lot. We'll be right back after this word and find out what happened to Elaine and find out what's going to happen to you.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Roger Sapp who is getting 80 to a hundred percent of the people that he speaks to end up being healed. That's what Jesus would have done. Although with unbelief, there were some times that...
Roger Sapp: That's exactly right.
Sid Roth: The people's unbelief, that everyone wasn't healed. But tell me about Elaine. People want to know about this woman with ms that's confined to the wheelchair.
Roger Sapp: Right. Right. Well Elaine, we know that God wants to heal Elaine because Jesus has paid the price. But Elaine is not receiving anything when we pray for her. So I, knowing out of my experience, out of the past that often times guilt is a problem, I asked Elaine if she's committed some sin that she thinks about, something that makes her feel guilty, some event out of her past with her sickness, and she responds to me, yes, that she is connecting that. Well I say, 'Elaine, I don't really need to know that, but I want you to know that God forgave you the first time you confessed that. But you know, we don't often feel, sometimes we don't feel forgiven, but the Bible does teach us that God will forgive us if we'll repent and forget, and confess our sins. So I said, 'Elaine just for a moment would you just close your eyes and I want you to receive yourself standing before the throne of God dressed in white linen'. Now what I'm doing is helping Elaine visualize her forgiveness.
Sid Roth: You do that yourself right now. You visualize yourself standing at the throne of God just in white, meaning pure. Why? Because you're pure? No, because Jesus is pure and according to the Bible you are the righteousness of God in Messiah Jesus. You can't get any more righteous than that.
Roger Sapp: That's exactly right and what I was having her do is visualize her righteousness in Christ and so as Elaine did that, I said 'can you see yourself standing before the throne of God that way, Elaine'? She said, yes. Well healing began to flow. I had my hand on her back and she immediately looked up at me and said 'my pain is disappearing'. I said, 'wonderful, Elaine. Would you like for us to pray for the arm in the sling'? And she said, 'yes'. So I put my hands on the arm on the sling and pretty soon Elaine says, 'i have feeling in the arm. It feels warm'. I said, 'well Elaine, would you like your two friends to take off the sling'? And she said, 'yes'. And so in a few minutes she's doing this with the arm. She hasn't moved in two years. And so at that point we gathered, there was a crowd gathering around us, and so I had to explain to the crowd what we were doing. Elaine was receiving healing, partial healings, but they were still healings happening here. And so we began to pray for Elaine's back some more, and pretty soon Elaine attempted standing up, and she was very, very weak. And but she could feel for the first time something happening in her legs. And she began to feel warmth go down her legs and into her feet even though they were numb before. In fact, we had to push the pedals apart and put her feet physically on the floor because she couldn't feel them. She rocked forward, she stood.
Sid Roth: Now did you pull her up?
Roger Sapp: Oh no. No, in fact, I've seen a lot of people out of wheelchairs, but I've never pulled anybody out of a wheelchair. They receive as they receive. In other words, if they can, if they have strength in their legs then they get up on their own, is what I've done. And I'm sure that other people minister differently than I do, but this is the way that I do it. And so anyway, a few minutes later, Elaine attempts taking a step and she can start to feel things happening in her legs, and she takes her probably five minutes to push one foot forward and the other, and then five minutes more to pull the other foot up. So this whole process is probably taking 30 to 40 minutes up to this point, but 15 minutes after that, Sid, she's walking in front of the church back and forth moving everything as if she never had ms. She walked out of the church on her own power. In fact, I got swamped by people wanting prayer after that because all of a sudden the faith level of everyone went up and in the mix, in the praying for six solid hours for people after that I thought the service was basically over with before that. And in the midst of that there were several people who had blindness healed. There was a lady with cataracts who were completely healed. Nothing changed except the faith level of the people who were hearing and seeing the Gospel.
Sid Roth: Okay. The last time you shared this particular story about Elaine getting out of the wheelchair.
Roger Sapp: Right.
Sid Roth: Someone else in a wheelchair got out.
Roger Sapp: Yes, two weeks later.
Sid Roth: I believe, and what I'm hearing is has anyone been healed, and I know this is true of arthritis. Give me one example.
Roger Sapp: Well we've seen people come out of wheelchairs with arthritis almost immediately sometimes when we prayed for them. A lady up in Colorado, completely bound with arthritis in a wheelchair for more than five years could not walk without severe pain. I mean, really couldn't move, couldn't walk at all, and we laid hands on her.
Sid Roth: The presence of God is for healing, it's here now.
Roger Sapp: Oh, yes.
Sid Roth: Pray for them. Pray for the people.
Roger Sapp: Well, father, I do thank you for grace for every, grace for everyone who is watching this program today. Father, I thank you for the power of your Holy Spirit making the things that Jesus purchased for us available to us. Lord, I thank you for healing every person in pain today, every person in a wheelchair, father, for every person who is struggling with pain in their bodies right at this moment. We declare that Jesus bore their pain, carried their sorrows and by his stripes they are healed that the work has been done. The father is not saying yes or no, but he's saying yes to them in this moment because of what Jesus has accomplished. Healing belongs to them because of what Jesus has done. In the same way that Luther received on the stage they can receive right now in their living rooms as they are watching the television, that they can just reach out to the Lord Jesus and he can become their healer. And I thank you for this, father, for all the good things and the wonderful things you're doing in the lives of people right now, not because we're good, Lord, because you are wonderful, great and mighty.
Sid Roth: Roger, there is someone watching with a demonic spirit that is causing their arthritis. Would you cast that out right now.
Roger Sapp: Yes. We just command the thing to go now in the name of Jesus of Nazareth the spirit of arthritis has to go because of what Jesus has done. Completely, he has completely set you free because of his work at the cross. We thank you for that, father, in Jesus' name.
Sid Roth: Hysterectomy, tell me about that lady, real quickly.
Roger Sapp: Well back a few years ago when I was an army chaplain when I was starting to break into this healing thing we had a lady come for counseling and had a complete hysterectomy. She was having problems with her husband at the time. Her husband had been involved in serious adultery and but she was a godly lady and wanted to work it out with her husband. One of the things that her husband kept saying to her is the reason he committed adultery is that he couldn't have a child with her, which was simply an excuse, but it probably did reveal something going on in his heart. And what we did in those days is that we worked through the process of forgiveness with her. I had a list people that she needed to forgive and we began to work through that, and with her husband at the top of the list. Well as I began to do that, Sid, I felt, began to feel electricity in my hands. Now I felt that once or twice before, but nothing quite like this. It was living electricity, moving from one hand to the other, sometimes going across my shoulder. And it was very distracting, and so I began to pray and say, 'Lord, what should I do here'? Because she was just quietly praying through this list of people that she needed to forgive and I was just agreeing with her. And I felt like the Holy Spirit said to be patient. And as I just was patient and letting her go through this list of people that she was forgiving, just this presence of the Holy Spirit, this presence of power, increased in my hands. And then after she got done with it I asked her permission if I can go over and pray for her. And she came from a denomination, a church that didn't practice the laying on of hands, but she gave me permission to do that. So I put my hands on her head and felt electricity go into her head for about five minutes.
Sid Roth: Bottom line, what happened?
Roger Sapp: Well bottom line is that she had these incredible manifestations on the floor. I mean, she cried out. We watched. We watched electricity go all over her. And we saw a line of light go up and down her body.
Sid Roth: Did she have a child?
Roger Sapp: She did have a child.
Sid Roth: That's the bottom line. Did you hear that? She had a child! How do you have a child if you've had a complete hysterectomy? truth is only God could do that. But guess what? I know of a virgin that had a child. Her name was Miriam from Israel and that child was the Son of God, Jesus. And if you believe that the Son of God came and died for your sins and you repent of your sins, not only will your diseases be taken care of, but your sins will be, and say, Jesus, you are my Lord, receive his healing in your spirit, soul and body. This is the moment that you've been waiting for. It's yours. It's all yours. There is a presence of God that is moving on the people right now. It's moving.