Sid Roth - Are You Bored With Church?
Sid Roth: Cal, you were one bored church goer. You were even a board member. You might say you were a bored board member of the church.[/b]
Cal Pierce: That's exactly right.
Sid Roth: Why were you so bored?
Cal Pierce: Well I was in a form of religion. I was a real estate developer. I was attending church for 25 years.
Sid Roth: Is that why they made you a board member, not because you were so spiritual?
Cal Pierce: Maybe that was why. But I was in a dry and thirsty land and was not seeing the power of the Holy Spirit poured out on the church, going to church and nothing would happen.
Sid Roth: Tell me about your son. He intrigues me, David.
Cal Pierce: David. Yes, David was an intercessor, you know, and when David, he had Duchenne muscular dystrophy and when he was 16, he began to get a heart after God's own heart and he began to just press into the Holy Spirit. And of course, my wife and I at that time, we were kind of stuck in this religious mode and my wife's job was to get David up every morning, because at this time in his life he could only move his hands and his head. And she got him up every morning and it was my job to put him to bed. And I built a table in his room that he could pull his wheelchair under, and he would call me in every evening. We always left his door open in case he needed something. But then he would call us in and have me put his hands up on the table and get his Bible out so he could start studying the Bible. And he would read the Bible for about two hours and then he would begin to intercede and pray, and pray for the family, and pray for a move of the Holy Spirit on the church.
Sid Roth: You know what impressed me about him, he was so sensitive, evidently so close to God that he didn't want to hurt God or offend him in any way.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: And one time, tell me about the time you caught him weeping.
Cal Pierce: Well he had his wheelchair up against the wall in the hallway and he was crying, and we rushed up to find out what was wrong. And he said he was crying because he had a bad thought, and that crushed me because I had thought about all the bad thoughts that I had that had never bothered me. But this young man was so pursuing God's heart that just a bad thought crushed him, and that was David's heart.
Sid Roth: How old was he was he was promoted to heaven?
Cal Pierce: He was 20 when we went to be with the Lord.
Sid Roth: Age 20, went to be with the Lord and I believe he literally, David, planted a seed that is still growing today, and the seed is Cal Pierce is angry, if you will, with sickness, with pain, with hurting people and he, I believe that everything you're doing today is from a seed called David.
Cal Pierce: Yes. Yes.
Sid Roth: And so in 1996, you had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and you stopped being a bored board member.
Cal Pierce: That's right.
Sid Roth: Briefly, what happened?
Cal Pierce: Well you know, we had a pastor who came to our church in redding, California who had been seeking a move of the Holy Spirit. And I was only going to church when I had to be there. And he said that we were going to have a meeting that was a requirement if you were in leadership or on the board that you had to go. My wife brought the letter to me. It had 'requirement' underlined. She knew I wouldn't go if it wasn't for that. And we were standing about a hundred people in the upper room behind the sanctuary and we sung four or five praise and worship songs, and that didn't bother me much. But then bill stepped forward. He raised his hands to heaven and he said, 'come Holy Spirit'. And that was the last thing I remember. It was as if...
Sid Roth: But that wasn't like you. You're a hard-nosed businessman.
Cal Pierce: Oh yeah. Yeah. Well see, I had a life.
Sid Roth: But you needed to get a life.
Cal Pierce: And the fire of God fell and began to course through my body. I wanted to run, jump, shout, scream.
Sid Roth: When you say fire of God, is that just an expression or was it really?
Cal Pierce: Well you know, God says he'll make his minister a flame of fire. He'll put a fire, a compassion in your heart to where no longer will you pursue your life, but you'll pursue his. And after that encounter.
Sid Roth: I'm curious, what did you really feel when that happened?
Cal Pierce: Well you know, what it felt like is I wanted to run, jump, shout and scream, but all I could do was stand there and take it until finally my wife pulled on my sleeve and said, 'honey, the meeting is over'. And I have no clue what their meeting was about, but I know what mine was because I have never been the same. From that time, before that, I didn't want to go to church. After that encounter I couldn't stay away. I had to pursue God with everything within me.
Sid Roth: And your pursuing ended up with a 40-day fast.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: And as a result of that 40-day fast you were directed to do what?
Cal Pierce: Well to, the Holy Spirit directed me to re-dig the wells of healing that John g. Lake had had in the city of Spokane from 1915 to 1920.
Sid Roth: Now most people don't know about John g. Lake. Briefly, tell me.
Cal Pierce: Well he's a man that God called there to begin to train and equip men and women to pray for the sick. He called them healing technicians, and from 1915 to 1920, there were 100,000 documented healings in the city of Spokane, Washington, Sid, was the healthiest city in the nation. And you know, the Holy Spirit was saying God hasn't changed. He's still in the business of saving the lost and healing the sick. And at the end of that 40-day fast he said, 'i want you to re-dig these wells just like Isaac did of the wells of his father Abraham that the Philistines had backfilled,' and to name it the same name as Isaac did, and to name them healing rooms. And so july 22, 1999, we opened healing room again after 80 years.
Sid Roth: Tell me one unusual thing that happened the first day you opened the healing room.
Cal Pierce: The first day, well we had a visitation of an angel and that was really profound. We had a day of intercessor prayer. We had people holding hands in the chain because I intercessor prayer had to be part of this movement. I was anointing the people. Went down a hallway into a room with silver colored carpet and all the chain was broken. I prayed for the people on the floor, picked the chain back up. But the interesting thing was two days later I get a letter from the first lady who entered that room, and she said the power of God was so powerful that everyone who came into that room with the silver colored carpet fell on the floor weeping.
Sid Roth: Everyone that came into the room fell on the floor weeping. Don't go away we'll be right back after this.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Cal Pierce, and Cal was a bored board member of a church. The power of God came on him. He went on a 40-day fast, changed his life and he started a healing room based on original vision from a man by the name of John g. Lake. And the first day they opened an angel showed up and everyone that walked in the room on the carpet fell over and probably had an experience similar to what you had when the power of God hit you.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: Tell me about Rene who had lupus.
Cal Pierce: Lupus, yes. She was a young lady and she was battling this immune deficiency disorder, and she came to the healing rooms and had hands laid on her, and the power of God hit her, healed her body. She went to battle against what the enemy was doing against her, wouldn't take it, and she said, 'in Jesus' name I'm healed'. We put the word in her and the word began to work. She went from knowing God was able to heal her to knowing that he is willing to heal her because he sent his son to make that provision.
Sid Roth: You know, that's a big difference. Did you catch that? She went from knowing God is able. I mean, any dummy would know that God is able to heal. But the question is, is God willing and even the greater question is, what about me? The person that's asking that right now, what about me.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: Will you talk to that person for a moment.
Cal Pierce: Well God is no respecter of persons, sid. He says, "What I do for one I will do for another". The provision of the atonement that Jesus provided for our salvation and healing is for every person. Every person can receive that and needs to receive it. So you know, we look at healing as just salvation impacting the natural man. God never separated those two issues. They've always been through the atonement on the cross, but the church has separated them. And God is saying, "I want you to not only get saved, but to be healed".
Sid Roth: Yes, but what you're telling me is absolutely outrageous. Someone with a steel plate in their head does not have a steel plate disappear. You know that, Cal. I mean, you're a businessman. You know that, don't you?
Cal Pierce: In the natural. But in the supernatural, see, this work of healing is only difficult when we think we have something to do with it. If God created the world and everything in it, he can fix anything he created.
Sid Roth: Tell me about that person with the steel plate. That intrigues me.
Cal Pierce: Well crystal came to us. She was in an auto accident, had her skull crushed. They had to put a steel plate inside, screw the bone to it for healing. She had a ct scan. Every time she went to the airport she set the alarm off. She had to carry a notice to tell them what it was. After prayer, we have a copy of the ct scan. It says, "Normal brain scan, no evidence of infraction recent or old. The appearance of the calvarium is normal". And it says, "There is no metal plate present".
Sid Roth: Metal does not shrink. Metal doesn't evaporate. Where did it go?
Cal Pierce: I really don't care. All I know is that this lady was healed and she went into the airport scanner and it didn't set off after this prayer.
Sid Roth: Now when you see something like this then there's no limitation. Limitations are off. Is there any disease too difficult when God can get rid of a metal plate?
Cal Pierce: We have a wall of healing. Every kind of sickness you can imagine being healed. I brought some testimonies, diabetes gone here. Here's a lady with a, had a partial hysterectomy documented by the doctors. After she received prayer she says the doctor gave her report, her organs were perfect. We have a God who is a Creator and his word is living and active, and it accomplishes what he sends it to do. If he's a Creator, what he does is perform creation.
Sid Roth: Okay. I've got, I mean, this is getting Wilder and Wilder. I've got a note here that says a lady came to you that had something wrong with her hip socket. What was wrong?
Cal Pierce: Yes. Well she had a cane and she had a short leg. She had degenerative bone disease. We prayed for her. She started jumping around, no more pain. The leg grew out nearly an inch and a half, and she put the cane on the stage, this was at a conference, and she walked normal from that time forth throughout the rest of the conference. She enjoyed the conference because there was no more problem with her hip. That's the power of our God.
Sid Roth: So in effect, God gave her a new hip socket.
Cal Pierce: Absolutely. He's a Creator.
Sid Roth: What about something that medical science doesn't have an answer for, all of these things, but such as aids? Have you had any experience with aids?
Cal Pierce: Yes. We have a dear lady, Linda Davies who was featured in the charisma article on our ministry last March. Linda came to us with HIV, 35,000 parts of it in her system. She was a lady that was very ill. She came for five months. Every month the measure went down, down, down until she came in with a doctor's report: "HIV non-detectable". What I love about this work of healing is now Linda has been through our training. She's equipped and released, and she's bringing others in.
Sid Roth: So it's not just you.
Cal Pierce: Oh, there's 115 healing rooms now around the world where God is equipping and activating men and women, ordinary folks to impart this extraordinary work.
Sid Roth: Anyone can move in the healing that's born again Christian.
Cal Pierce: Yes. God says, "These signs shall follow those that believe," not some, but those. They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover because we have things that block healing in the body of a person and those things are doubt and unbelief, they're depression, they're things that have been taught in the wrong manner to us that cause us to say, well I'm sick for God's glory. God gets no glory for sickness because his son came to destroy that sickness. God is glorified in what the son has done to bring healing to us when it takes place. He's not glorified for what the enemy has done. He's glorified for what his son has done. So the roadblocks are, those are things the enemy puts in front of us to keep us from receiving what God has.
Sid Roth: You talk a lot about fears, all different kinds of fears.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: Fear is a major enemy, isn't it?
Cal Pierce: Well if faith is the substance of things hoped for, fear is the substance of things not desired. Faith moves God, fear moves the enemy. That's why job says, 'what I have feared the most has come upon me'. Fear activates what the enemy wants to do to produce what fear produces and that's sickness in the body. And if we're the body of Christ I believe that there should be no work of the enemy existing in that body. We should not have pornography in it, we should not have sickness in it.
Sid Roth: How important is this specific teaching on roadblocks for a Christian?
Cal Pierce: Well it's tremendously important, Sid, because it gets out of the believer all of those things that have been taught through dispensationalism, wrong thinking that has come from doubt and unbelief that has caused us to justify what the devil has done rather than justifying what God has done. We have a tendency to bring the word down to the level of our experience rather than having the level of our experience raised up to the level of the word. And this takes...
Sid Roth: That was so profound. You almost have to say that again, please.
Cal Pierce: Yes. Well we have a tendency to bring the Word of God down to the level of what we're experiencing in the church. But our experience in the church needs to be raised up to the level of the word so that the body of Christ can be healed up in spirit, mind and body, as it says according to first Thessalonians 5:23, "That the spirit, mind and body might be preserved complete at the coming of the Lord".
Sid Roth: You know it's just a free gift, as Cal explains. It's not something you have to muster up, but you have to get rid of the roadblocks
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid roth your investigative reporter here with Cal Pierce. And I was talking to Cal about all the miracles that are going on in these healing homes. What do you call them, healing?
Cal Pierce: Healing rooms.
Sid Roth: Healing rooms. Why do you call it a healing room?
Cal Pierce: Well it's just a place where people pray for the sick and the sick get healed. Any room you pray for someone in they get healed that's a healing room.
Sid Roth: Tell me some other miracles that have occurred there.
Cal Pierce: We have a testimony here, Vicky, and she had lymphoma, and she came to the healing rooms for prayer, and she says here, she returned to the oncologist and more blood work done, and the results came back clear and normal.
Sid Roth: Now how are you doing with, well lymphoma, I believe is a type of cancer.
Cal Pierce: Yes it is.
Sid Roth: How are you doing with most types of cancers? Do you find that difficult?
Cal Pierce: No.
Sid Roth: Are many people being healed with cancer?
Cal Pierce: Oh absolutely. You know, see, the key is not seeking God's hand, but seeking his face, seeking the presence of the Holy Spirit to come and do the work because it's the anointing of his presence that breaks the yoke. So it's not about a form, a process. It's not by what we do, it's what he does, and it's inviting the power and presence of the Holy Spirit to come and begin to do the work.
Sid Roth: Cal, I feel the Holy Spirit here right now. But please be formal. Would you pray for our people and invite, and start out the same way your pastor started out way back when the power of God came on you. Would you start that same way.
Cal Pierce: Yes. Yes. Come Holy Spirit. Father, we ask that you send your spirit right through this camera, right out to where every believer, every person is that needs a touch in their body. And you must know that God is no respecter of persons. What the Holy Spirit does in one place he can do in another. His hand is not short that it cannot reach from here to where you are and touch you, and heal your body.
Sid Roth: Will he heal a non-believer right now?
Cal Pierce: Absolutely. Healing needs to be a sign to the non-believer that our God is real. Jesus brought a sign and he wants us to have a sign so that we can know his power and know his presence to heal.
Sid Roth: Continue praying.
Cal Pierce: So father, in Jesus' name we ask that every person who is listening to this program would just reach out and touch you, and Lord, that your word will not go out void, but it will accomplish what you send them to do through Jesus because, Lord, Jesus is the healer and every person needs to be touched by what he has provided, father, that you might be glorified in your son. And right now in Jesus' name no matter where you're at, no matter who you are, God wants to touch you. It doesn't matter how desperate you are. What matters is if you just reach out and receive the healing that God has for you. So right now just, it says, 'these signs will follow those that believe. They will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover,' and that's you. You can lay hands on yourself no matter where you're at and these signs will follow you. You shall recover in Jesus' name. And father, we thank you that you are touching people everywhere that are hearing this program that they can receive it right in their house no matter where they're at watching this program in Jesus' name. Amen. And father, we give you the glory for what your son has done that is impacting the world in this day. Amen.
Sid Roth: Cal, there's such a presence of God. It's so sweet.
Cal Pierce: Oh bless you.
Sid Roth: But let me ask you this. What is God showing you that will be happening as far as healing in the future?
Cal Pierce: Well the Holy Spirit is brooding over the church around the world. He's raising an army that is not to March out of a tent into the battle on crutches, but is to March healed and delivered with the power of the Holy Spirit that we will not only March with a salvation message, but a kingdom message that will bring signs and wonders, and miracles behind it, and that's important to know. And I believe healing will be the undergarment that this army will wear that will support their armor.
Sid Roth: Is it just healing or really the miraculous even more than healing?
Cal Pierce: Well it's all of that. You know, God wants to heal the body so the body can turn and heal the city. You know, the church can't take something to the street that hasn't impacted it.
Sid Roth: Kathryn kuhlman said a day was coming, and of course she's gone on to be with Lord, in which believers would go into hospitals and the whole hospital would empty.
Cal Pierce: Amen.
Sid Roth: Do you see that day?
Cal Pierce: Oh I do. I do. I see there's an unlimited power that comes to the body of Christ when we walk in absolute unity. It's time that the church has more unity than the enemy's camp. The enemy has no problem with unity, only the churches have it. And God is restoring unity into the body to bring it to a place of fullness and maturity, and unity brings power. We want to put a thousand of flight to 10,000.
Sid Roth: Hine(y) ma tov u'ma-nayim shevet ach-im gam ya-chad how good and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.
Cal Pierce: Amen.
Sid Roth: It's like the precious oil flowing down Aaron's beard and his robe. And as we speak right now, Cal, agree with me.
Cal Pierce: Yes.
Sid Roth: That precious oil is the spirit of the living God. Someone's neck has just been healed and someone's hip has just been healed, but the greatest healing is about ready to hit you so strong. You are about to have an encounter with the living God. That is the greatest healing because that's forever. That is forever. You don't need healing in heaven. It's perfect health in heaven. You need your healing here. But it starts on the inside and works its way out. Some of you have a very hard heart, but God, he loves you in spite of that. He knows everything about you and he still loves you. He's the only one on the face of this earth that hasn't given up you on. He says, I have confidence in you. I made you. I have a purpose for your life. I see what you're supposed to become. I see what the enemy has done to you and if you will repent of your sins, tell him you're sorry and say, God, I need your help to overcome and believe the blood of Jesus washes away all of your sins and then just proclaim with your mouth, Jesus, you're my Lord, come live inside of me. Oh here it comes. There is a wave coming into you right now, a wave of God's spirit. His name is baruch hakodesh, the spirit of the living God. Someone's neck has just been healed. I tell you that there such a strong presence from every condition in your body. If you'll just get up, forget your ailing. Forget it. Just worship God. Tell him how much you love him. Tell him that you need him. Tell him that you're ready to lay down your agenda for his agenda now. Do it now. Don't wait. Do it right now. This is your moment. Don't miss-don't miss it!