Sid Roth - An Angel Came to Me and Spoke 7 Powerful Words
My guest says when he speaks in supernatural languages, he has visitations from God, and money is miraculously supplied. Next on this edition of "It's Supernatural"!
Sid Roth: Hello. My name is Sid Roth your investigative reporter, and I'm here with Gary and Sue Carpenter. What would happen if you were a truck driver? Previous to that Gary was an engineer. But if you were a truck driver and you're getting started, it's real foggy out, and you pull your truck out, and because the fog is so bad, you pulled to the side of the road, Gary, and what happened?
Gary Carpenter: Well I had left on a run; I was in Arkansas. I was feeling fine; I had been doing this for years. And I pulled off into a rest area because the fog was so bad it just wasn't safe. And I felt fine at that time, but once I got parked, I started having trouble catching my breath. I just had a little difficulty breathing, and that's normal for me. So I opened the door of the truck, and I just kind of turned sideways in my seat just to get some air, and apparently, I found out later, I must have blacked-out at that moment. Those trucks are pretty high off the ground, and I just tumbled out of my seat, unconscious, headlong onto the asphalt pavement.
Sid Roth: How long were you there before someone noticed?
Gary Carpenter: Six hours.
Sid Roth: Six hours?
Gary Carpenter: This was in December. It was very cold. Hypothermia was starting to set in. I didn't know any of that, of course. I was still unconscious, and the next morning when it started getting light, the other truck drivers started, were starting to leave the area, and the first one that came around saw me there. And they called an ambulance, and I woke up in the hospital.
Sid Roth: Did you mess your head up when you fell on the concrete?
Gary Carpenter: Oh just a big gash, yes, and I just laid in a big pool of blood. Thank God I didn't bleed to death. But when you're unconscious and falling, I didn't break my fall with my arms or anything; so just right on my head.
Sid Roth: What was wrong?
Gary Carpenter: Well come to find out that it took a while from the diagnosis, but it was called supra-ventricular dycardia.
Sid Roth: I'm glad that you had to remember that and not me.
Gary Carpenter: Well it's kind of the opposite of arrhythmia, where your heart misses a beat. This one, every so often your heart does a super-beat, and that by itself is not so dangerous; but if it starts doing several in a row, then it vacates the heart of blood, and you black-out, which is not real good for a truck driver.
Sid Roth: No, I'm sure. So what was the prognosis?
Gary Carpenter: Well they said that I'd have it the rest of my life. They said the second thing about this is that's always genetic; that it's passed down. Trouble is, nobody on either side of my family - and I come from a big family - has ever had supra-ventricular dycardia; nobody.
Sid Roth: You told me that you believe this whole thing happened to you, and it's pretty interesting. He believes this whole thing happened to him because he was disobedient to a voice from God. But I want to go back kind of to the beginning. You were trained as an engineer. You became a Christian; you started going to churches. They said if you would do this, because the Bible says it, it would result in money, it would result in health, it would result in peace. You did this because you're a logical thinker; and what did it result with as far as you were concerned?
Gary Carpenter: I'm not saying that we didn't ever get any results by that method, but pretty much what they were teaching me were principles, and that's what they said. "Let me teach you a principle of faith". "Let me teach the principle of this"; principle of sowing and reaping, all of these different things. And it's not that they were totally wrong. The trouble is, I was just like, as an engineer would learn mathematical formulas, I was learning all of these principles about God, but I wasn't getting to know Him very well. And God is real. He's alive, like I'm getting to know you now, and we're having an interaction.
Sid Roth: Yes.
Gary Carpenter: I know my wife. We've been married 26 years. But I wasn't getting to know God; I just knew these principles.
Sid Roth: Most people think if they just say a little prayer, they have something called a life insurance policy, but they spend their whole life not having intimacy with God. Is that where you were at?
Gary Carpenter: Exactly, exactly. And Jesus never said that "knowing about" God was eternal life. In John 17, when He was praying to the Father and He says, "Father … this is eternal life, that they … know You", "… that they know You, … and Jesus Christ whom You have sent".
Sid Roth: So he was just feeling sorry for himself; a big pity party because nothing was working, so they just stopped going to church for five years. And so one day they decided they'd try a church in the neighborhood; and they went into that church, and there was a word that was said by the pastor; he came forward. Sue, what did he say?
Sue Carpenter: He said, "I see the hand of God on you two. Come out in the aisle". He said, "Change; and the blessings of God - you need the blessings of God, don't you"? And we both said "Yes".
Sid Roth: Now did he know you?
Sue Carpenter: No, he'd never seen us before.
Sid Roth: Were you in the front row?
Sue Carpenter: No, we were hiding back there so nobody would see us between these people, you know, getting down.
Sid Roth: Gary, what did that word mean to you?
Gary Carpenter: The night before, we were so miserable. Five years, we loved the Lord still; we hadn't really back-slidden into sin, but we just had no fellowship with the Lord at all. And so the night before we kept saying, "What are we going to do to change"?, and that was the operative word. We knew that that word we spoke to each other, but we didn't speak it to anybody else. So when the pastor called us out...
Sid Roth: If he had used any other word, it wouldn't have such an impact.
Gary Carpenter: It wouldn't have. The first word out of his mouth, "Change", and I knew that the only way he could have known was if the Holy Ghost had told him, because I knew the Holy Ghost was in our room the night before.
Sid Roth: Okay. You're standing there. He's giving you this, as you put it, operative word that causes everything to explode within you. But you have something wrong physically with your body. What happened when he was praying for you?
Sue Carpenter: As he prayed, he was pointing and he said, "I see the Spirit of God, the healing power of God, go up your spine". And I felt - I would feel this warmth ahead of the place his finger was pointing. And then he touched Gary on the neck, and this crackle like electricity.
Sid Roth: Could you hear it?
Sue Carpenter: Yes!
Sid Roth: Could you feel it?
Gary Carpenter: Oh yes, it knocked me backwards.
Sid Roth: It knocked you backwards?
Gary Carpenter: I had no idea.
Sid Roth: Did someone catch you?
Gary Carpenter: Yes. I didn't know there was anybody behind me, and apparently they had seen this before because someone - all I knew is I went flying back and someone caught me, and I laid there for quite a while. And I don't know what anything that the pastor said after that.
Sid Roth: What happened to you physically?
Sue Carpenter: My back was healed. It had been out of place some way. It had been giving me a lot of trouble; shoulders hurting, and just everything hurting, and I just didn't have any problem after that. It just straightened it up.
Sid Roth: But then this pastor started teaching you about supernatural languages. Now remember, Gary's got an engineering background, and so he's, and he's already been burned out on this. But he decides, "I’m going to try these supernatural languages". We're going to be right back and find out miracles started happening. I mean, miracles. Don't go away.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter. I'm here with Sue and Gary Carpenter, and they were in a position where they were just turned off to religion. They thought religion was a bunch of rules and formulas. And - but they tried one more time. They went to a church, and Sue got actually physically healed. Gary, the power of God came on him so strong he fell over backwards. And they began to study the Bible, and they found out that there is a language you can speak; not from your mind, not a language you've ever been instructed, but it comes from deep within your spirit. And once you speak this out, what actually happens to you when you speak this supernatural language?
Gary Carpenter: Well the Bible says that when we don't know how to pray, and a lot of you, do you ever feel like that? You've prayed everything you know to pray, and you don't know what to pray anymore. It says when, "We do not know what … to pray", or how to pray "… as we ought", God the Holy Spirit will come. And if you'll let Him speak those supernatural languages through you, it says, "He will pray for you according to the perfect will of God". That's in the Bible. It was in - it's been in there the whole time, but I didn't know it was in there.
Sid Roth: So you had a job as a truck driver.
Gary Carpenter: That's right.
Sid Roth: And you decided it's time to see if this is really true, because you tried things before, and for you it didn't work.
Gary Carpenter: Right.
Sid Roth: And so you're in the truck ten hours, and what did you do?
Gary Carpenter: Well I just made - I just began to pray in other tongues. I just made the cab of that truck basically my prayer closet; I'm stuck in there for a 10-hour shift anyway. And I thought, well, I'm going to turn off the radio, turn off the CD. I'm just going to begin letting the Holy Spirit pray these supernatural languages through me, because my way sure not - had not been working.
Sid Roth: Now for some of you that think it's pretty easy to do this for ten hours, what happened after a few minutes?
Gary Carpenter: Well of course, you know, being human we normally start with great gusto, and I was using my loud voice with authority. After about two hours of that, the only thing I was developing was a very sore tongue and a very dry throat. So I started just speaking more naturally. Trouble is my - in the beginning my mind would drift. I intended to pray for the whole ten hours, but every now and then I'd find out my mind had gone somewhere, and I had quit praying. After a little while I'd kind of come to myself and I'd go, "Oh, oh", well there's nothing to do, but start again. So I don't know how many times that happened, but I don't believe the lapses were more than five minutes or ten minutes at a time, but I basically prayed the whole ten hours.
Sid Roth: Okay. And near the end something supernatural happened. What happened?
Gary Carpenter: Well I had what I call a teaching vision. Now I'm driving the truck. I know where I was. I was driving through downtown Memphis. And thank God it wasn't the kind of vision where everything goes away, you know.
Sid Roth: You got a big truck there.
Gary Carpenter: Thank God. And it hit pretty heavy traffic. But it's more like a memory that plays in your mind. Like if you've ever seen a movie and you can remember the scene from that movie, even while we're talking, that's the way this was. But this vision that I - just like a little movie I was seeing on the inside, it came in such a way that it explained faith to me, what faith really means in a way that I had never heard anybody explain it before. And it was like the Holy Spirit had become my personal teacher. And once that little vision had played out, you know, "a picture speaks louder than words". Once that little vision had finished playing, I understood how to receive from God in a way I never had before. And this was not just a principle.
Sid Roth: What was it if it wasn't a principle?
Gary Carpenter: Oh it was God Himself coming now to be own personal teacher. He was teaching Himself, and that's the big difference.
Sid Roth: But then one day this personal teacher says to Gary that he must quit his job as a truck driver. Did you have a lot of savings when God told you that?
Gary Carpenter: No. We were just like everybody else, just living paycheck to paycheck.
Sid Roth: All right. So living paycheck-to-paycheck, no savings. A little debt?
Gary Carpenter: About $25,000, as I remember, in debt.
Sid Roth: Okay. So what would you do? Tell me, what would you do if God spoke to you and said, "I want you to quit your job". Did you give a month's notice? What did He say?
Gary Carpenter: He told me - I remember it like it was yesterday, and His voice was as real to me as yours is now - He said, "This will be your last trip as a truck driver. When you get back, give your dispatcher two weeks' notice. He won't require it of you, and you'll be free to serve me full-time".
Sid Roth: So did you give two weeks' notice?
Gary Carpenter: Absolutely not.
Sid Roth: Why?
Gary Carpenter: I'm a husband. I have a wife. I have...
Sid Roth: Did you at least tell her what God had told you?
Gary Carpenter: No, because if I had told her, she would have encouraged me to obey God.
Sid Roth: No! You would have? Owing all that money, no cash coming in.
Sue Carpenter: When God tells you to do something, I was smart enough to know you'd better do it.
Gary Carpenter: I wasn't that smart.
Sid Roth: So you didn't do that, and now we come back to the scene of the fog. You're driving the truck, and you fall out, and you find out you have a disease there's no cure from. And now did God put this disease on you?
Gary Carpenter: No, absolutely not. The Bible gives us a - the analogy of the shepherd and the sheep. We're to be "the sheep", and we're supposed to follow the leading of the shepherd. Well He told me what to do. He told me very plainly, like I said a while ago, exactly what He wanted me to do. And for ten months I didn't obey Him, and He kept loving on me and teaching me. But He was going this way, and he told me to follow Him. But like a little sheep that's going astray, I was choosing to disobey Him, and I was going another direction.
Sid Roth: Listen, you weren't just disobeying Him. What He was doing is He was, rather than following the shepherd, this "sheep" was going his own way, and he bumped into someone that was evil, that was coming "…to kill" and "… steal, and destroy" him. He almost lost his life; but he came to his senses. And we'll find out. Don't go away. Be right back.
Sid Roth: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Gary and Sue Carpenter, and I'll tell you something, it pays to follow what God tells you. Let's go to the control room and talk to Janie Duvall. Janie, do you understand when Gary and Sue said they were just burned out. They had, they were following a God of formulas and not a God of relationship.
Janie DuVall: I tried exactly what they're saying. I would learn certain things, these principles, and I would do it over and over, but just kind of like a bird, like you're just repeating something that someone else told you to do. But it's totally different when you hear God for yourself.
Sid Roth: Speaking about hearing God, who's our guest next week?
Janie DuVall: You'll be interviewing Bree Keyton. She was a nightclub singer and she used to be a warm-up, she did a warm-up act for major rock bands like Chicago and Herman's Hermits, and other people. But she saw the demonic in that realm. She would see at rock concerts where people would go totally insane. But then now on the other side of the supernatural, she takes a sword and when she waves that sword to supernatural music, instantly insanity leaves people, schizophrenia leaves people, cancer leaves people.
Sid Roth: What do you mean she waves the sword?
Janie DuVall: Well it's kind of like, it's, she, God has given her supernatural music and the sword is representing the power of God, the Word of God. And when she does that with the music, people are instantly set free.
Sid Roth: I'm looking forward to that. Thank you, Janie. Back here with Gary and Sue Carpenter. And so now you decide you are going to be obedient, but you still got this disease that there's no cure of. What happened to the disease?
Gary Carpenter: Well for a while I just took the medicine like the doctors told me, because every time that I would quit taking it, sure enough, I'd have another episode where I'd black-out. So I just would take the medicine, and about a year went by. And then one day Pastor Dave said that the Lord was telling him - that's our pastor - to pray for the healing of my heart. He did; God knocked me down again. The power of God - what I mean, it came on me so strong, I fell back again. But even then, by this time I had learned, through those supernatural languages, to hear the voice of God much better for myself.
Sid Roth: It must be wonderful to hear God's voice.
Gary Carpenter: It's wonderful and scary at the same time.
Sid Roth: What's the scary part?
Gary Carpenter: Well He tells you things that don't seem natural to the natural mind. And being trained as an engineer, I've had to overcome that. But He - God believes He's God, Sid, and He says things like, "… all things are possible". And He talks to me like He expects me to believe His Bible.
Sid Roth: So what happened to your disease?
Gary Carpenter: Over a two-year period He weaned me off of that heart medicine. He would tell me how often to take it. The last dose I took...
Sid Roth: That specific?
Gary Carpenter: Yes. And He would wean me off of it a little at a time over a two-year period. I took the last dose of that in May of '98. This is 2001; I’ve never had another episode. Never had any problems whatsoever with my heart. I'm totally healed.
Sid Roth: Now what about that call to quit your job? Did you do it?
Gary Carpenter: Well after nearly dying, even I have enough sense. When I come to in the hospital I told Sue, I said, "You know, I have a feeling it's just going to be better for me to obey God". And after that, then I told her what the Lord had said.
Sid Roth: Okay. But wait a second, He wants you to leave your job, be a hundred percent reliant on Him. Did He tell you to send out letters to ask for money?
Gary Carpenter: No. In fact, He told me not to do that.
Sid Roth: Well how are you going to live? You're not working, and you're not asking.
Gary Carpenter: That's why I didn't obey Him for ten months. Because I didn't know how I was going to pay the rent or how I was going to make the car payment. We're like everybody else; we had a lot of debt.
Sid Roth: Forget the rent and the car payment. You owed thousands of dollars.
Gary Carpenter: Yes. Yes.
Sid Roth: This didn't bother you?
Sue Carpenter: After Gary told me what God had told him about not getting another job, he repeated word-for-word what God had spoken to him, and this was months later after that happened with his heart. And so we - we're going to obey God; we don't have any other life.
Sid Roth: What happened with your debt?
Gary Carpenter: Supernaturally, we used to have - years before, we had seven rent houses; and years before, we had decided to get rid of them. And so we sold - we tried to sell them all except one. Six of the houses we sold. The other rent house, these renters, nice young married couple with two little young children, and they just loved that house and they didn't want to leave, and they didn't want to buy the house. They just wanted to rent. Make a long story short, we wanted to sell that house for 13 years, and they just wouldn't leave. Nice couple. But right at this time, - right at this time, we now obey God, and we have nothing. Suddenly they decide it's time to move, and this house becomes available for us to sell if we want to. And to make a - again, we sold the house, and the proceeds from the house plus an $80 check that came in the mail that day was enough to completely sit down, pay off every debt we had. We were debt-free in a day.
Sid Roth: Well because of this intimacy with God, you're hearing things, and you're teaching other people to hear God.
Gary Carpenter: That's right.
Sid Roth: There was a man that made a lot of money from gold. Tell me about him.
Gary Carpenter: The man lives in Houston. He's been listening to the tapes. You know, we send a lot of tapes out now, things that the Lord has taught me about finances. He's listening to them, and he began doing the same things. He operates in the commodities market. And this particular incident, the Lord just told him that December gold prices were going to go to 325. This was two years ago. So with that information the man began buying gold options ahead of time. And just exactly like the Lord said, the end result was $3,000 worth of gold options because over $80,000 in profit for this man.
Sid Roth: You yourself, after you started following what God instructed you; not principles, but intimacy.
Gary Carpenter: Right.
Sid Roth: Out of intimacy, you told me how much money you gave away in a year.
Gary Carpenter: The way I tell it is this. The reason I didn't obey Him in the beginning was I could not understand how we could pay our bills. The devil is such a liar, Sid. Once the Lord taught me these certain principles, these - I hate to say "principles", but once he taught me himself, the first full year after I understood those things, we gave away more money than I used to earn in a year, total.
Sid Roth: Why did you give it away?
Gary Carpenter: Well because that's why He was showing me how to acquire it.
Sid Roth: Out of intimacy with God came - with intimacy you hear him. Out of hearing God, money came; not money to just consume on his lust, take care of his needs, but money to fund things that are changing lives. How about you? Do you need a change? Turn to God. Turn to Him. Tell God you've made mistakes. Tell Him you're sorry. Ask Him to forgive you, because of the blood of Jesus - the Jewish Messiah - will wash away your sins, and make Jesus your Messiah and Lord. And then begin to worship Him. I mean, if there's anyone that should be worshipped, it's God. And say, "I want intimacy with You, God. I want to know You; not just know about You; I want to know You".