Kenneth Copeland - We Are On God's Timetable
— Hello, everybody, I'm Kenneth Copeland. And this is the Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast. Would you join me again today in welcoming Professor Greg Stephens to this broadcast?
— Thank you, sir. Thank you.
— Oh, man. How many weeks have we done on covenant, I don't know.
— A few, a few.
— Yeah, it's a number. When we talk about nations and so forth, of course, our primary concern, first of all, is Christians and, of course, our nation, but this will apply to any nation. Of course, we're seeing things right here, and I mentioned this last week a number of times, and already this week. At my age, 84, I've seen a lot happen, a lot come and go. And particularly political things during World War II, that was very interesting to me. And then after the war and years later, go back and study those things, because I really like and enjoy the military. And let's read our golden text here, Greg, from the 15th chapter of the book of Genesis, the 16th verse. "But in the fourth generation, they shall come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full". When sin is full, then judgment has to come.
— It has to.
— And God, because He is so patient and long suffering, He gives people a long... He gives nations a long time to repent.
— Yes, He does.
— And as a nation, He has given us a long, long, long, long time to stop killing unborn babies.
— One of the primary sins of the Amorites.
— Yes. Now we've seen this, it goes back a long, long ways with the Democratic Party, going back to the Civil War. Well, I won't go into all that, because all that back there is... We're talking about right now. And it struck me, Greg. It hurt me like somebody had really gut punched me, when the leadership, I'm not talking about the whole party, I'm talking about the leadership and I'm not talking bad about people. It's the yielding of people to the wrong stuff through a long...
— And obviously they don't know.
— No, it's a long period of deception.
— Oh, yeah.
— And the leadership of that party voted unanimously to no longer have anything to do with God in the platform. Now the platform not only includes the leadership, that is put together by party members all over the United States, and so is the Republican platform. And the platform shows the heart of the party. And they said, "We are no longer"... No, they hadn't put it just like that. "We are now the party of the atheist". And they named off agnostic...
— Yeah, all these different lists.
— ...and all of the perversion list and everything. For that is the largest religion in the United States, and they put God completely out. Now, what did the Apostle Paul say in the Book of Romans? They did not want God in their thinking, so God turned them over to a reprobate. I put it like, "He turned them over to a confused mind, that bad looks good". And we need to do this, we really need to do this. So now, in my opinion, and this is just what it is. I'm not speaking for the ministry and all of that. Of course, what I say does. But still, in my opinion, when it comes to the place where it doesn't matter anymore, well so what? "Oh, well, this is all part of women's health". No, it's money, big money.
— But the excuses are enormous. And here again, I'm talking about the leadership. And now, we know. I mean the absolute evidence is there again and again and again and again and again, in states all over the United States, that the so-called Dominion voting machine was created for the purpose, originally, of controlling foreign elections of dictators and stuff like that. And somehow it got over into being used in the Democratic Party, the leadership of the Democratic Party, in my opinion, a number of years ago, and like I said, when they announced that, it was almost like I was gut punched. It hurt. We need the Democratic Party. We need the Democratic Party. We need the Democratic Party of back in during the days when they were in opposition to the Republican Party, but they'd sit down and they worked with one another and you either liked it or you didn't, but there was no way they were going to abort children. That's just out of the question, you don't do things like that, until a Supreme Court judge decided we will. The legislature never did that.
— No.
— So I'm praying and I'm believing God, and I'm standing on the Word of God, but I know I heard this and I have to be very, very, very cautious. Don't pray this about people. Oh God, break it and remake it, cleanse it, get it back on its feet. Get its head straight again and get God back in the leadership of that party. We need them. But it's in deep trouble. And I am of the opinion, and it's just simply my opinion. But I mean, I do have the spirit of God. That I believe that the sin of the leadership of that party is full. Where judgment, it has to happen. Killing babies has got to stop. This has to stop. It's cursing this nation. And we don't want another 9/11.
— So what that is, is you're talking about iniquity. Iniquity twists God's order of things and calls it right. And it'll totally twist everything that's happened. It'll reward one group and punish the good. And that's what we see, and that's the frustration you see. So when God tells them this in Genesis 15, it's going to happen in the fourth generation, 400 years. It'll happen 430 years...
— We saw it in 2020. Governors of certain states, the way they handled church.
— The way they handled voting.
— A very close friend of mine, on our board of directors, pastors a church. I preached in it many, many, many, many times. They came to arrest him because he had people on Sunday. The police came.
— If you'd have said that 20 years ago, 40 years ago in America, that there will be a police state that will come. And this is just starting, police state is just starting, that are going to come to your house of worship or come to your home to arrest you...
— Because you're having church
— Even Democrats would have been, "What"? They would have, "No".
— And one of the police officer's a pastor. "We don't want to be here. We don't want to be here". And he had to sue the governor to have church.
— My gosh.
— Now that happened all over the United States. And the difference of that, and this is the reason I'm so concerned over this, Greg, the governor of the state of Texas said, "No, no. No, church is essential. We're going to have church, one way or the other we're going to have church. And we are not going to open the abortion clinics. That is not a necessary thing". And I figured it up just there, in just a little while, right here in the state of Texas, it saved 2,500 babies, and that was no telling how many since then.
— Hallelujah.
— He shut it down.
— But when the righteousness are ruling, the people rejoice.
— The people rejoice. But what's the other half of that?
— Well, when they're not...
— When the wicked rule, the people mourn.
— And cast off all restraints.
— The back of that is grieve, they grieve. And one translation says, "They groan like a dying soldier on the battlefield".
— See, so all of that stand that happened that you were talking about with Texas, when I saw the weather thing that hit a few months back in Texas, that was spiritual. That whole thing was part of the groaning as a part of an attack, when the government, the federal government, didn't get involved in helping send a few blankets to Texas. Blankets didn't do anything. We need the power on. But all of those things are mankind trying to govern himself apart from God and you can't do it. So you can't get upset about this stuff. It's why God told Abraham, his friend, "Here's what's going to happen. Joshua is going to come. And Joshua is going to be the one that'll fight the battle against the Amorites and drive them out". Joshua is a perfect look at the Book of Revelation. It's a perfect look. The final battle with the Amorite, with that spirit that's in the earth today, will be done by another Joshua. But his name is Yeshua, Jesus.
— Yes. I just started to say Joshua, it's the same name.
— Same name. It's not a coincidence that Yeshua led them into this...
— And I'm satisfied that the English translators englishized the name of Jesus to separate Jesus from Joshua.
— Oh, sure. They did it with a lot of...
— And then they slipped up a little bit in the Book of Hebrews, but anyway...
— Well, I believe Paul wrote Hebrews and I believe he did that.
— I believe he did it on purpose.
— On purpose to let us know. Joshua comes in, now what happens? He sends two spies, or I'll put it this way, two witnesses in before the destruction of the most fortified Amorite city, Jericho. Well, two witnesses are going to come back before this final battle.
— That's right.
— Do you see all the parallels? They're going to blow the trumpets. God's going to have them break most of the Torah ordinances in the battle of Jericho, which is an interesting thing. Levites are out front in battle. Levites were never to be out front, but He put them out front.
— I never thought about it, but that's right. He did.
— He did it.
— They were out front.
— And on the seventh day, you don't work, and He has them march more times on the seventh day. So He's trying to show them the law itself is not going to do it. It's going to be this Messiah, Jesus, that's going to come through and He's going to lead you. And then there's silence. Remember that? They had them be quiet. Nobody could talk or anything. In heaven, there'll be a half-hour silence
— I just started to say.
— It's a picture of what's coming.
— Yeah, it is.
— And so when I showed you at the beginning of last week, that wheel within a wheel and the pattern in the way God does things, this Amorite battle is in front of us, the final one. You and I, Brother Copeland, are going to be part of that battle. We're going to see this thing unfold. Now, we're not going to have to fight. Jesus is like, "Just be with me. I won't need you, but just be with me". He's going to take care of this thing, once and for all. Matter of fact, I'll show you something. Let me give you a verse, Revelation, chapter 18, talking about the future battle with the Amorite. Now you remember there were seven seals, seven trumpets?
— Yes.
— They blow the trumpet seven times in Joshua. It's all a picture of what's in front of us. And so don't be discouraged against the Democrats or the Republicans or Trump or anything.
— I mean, this is a temporary thing right now that God's going to fix. And He fixes this, this nation is going to be reborn and it's going to be greater than it's ever been in the past. And we're right there.
— We're right there. We're so close to it.
— We're right there.
— For him who has ears to hear, you need to understand. Don't be dismayed by 2020 and arguing about, "Well, the prophets said this and this said that"... No, we're right on God's timetable. The iniquity of the Amorite, you were so right when you heard that. We're right on the timetable. Let me show you Revelation talking about the future of this and see if you hear some familiar words, verse three, Revelation 18, verse three. "For all nations have drunk of the wine of wrath of her fornication and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her and the merchants of the earth"... There's business with government. We've watched it happen with Facebook and Twitter and all of this other... the My Pillow guy, censoring him. "And the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies". They've partnered together. "And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, my people". Come out, my people, that's the word. "That you be not partakers of her sins and that you receive not of her plagues for her sins," verse five, "have reached unto heaven". It's filling up. "And God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you and double under her according to her works in the cup, which she had filled with her double". There it is, Brother Copeland. Jesus is telling us, "Listen, this thing is full, this cup is full now. I'm going to come handle this thing". Not everybody that left Egypt was an Israeli with Moses. People were smart enough to say, "We're going with them. They have been blessed, they have great abundance coming out of here". None of these things that happened, you can find that in Exodus 12, you can find it in Numbers 11, just quick reference. Not everybody was Jewish. Not everybody was Israeli. Not everybody was part of the covenant, but they went with them.
— Yeah, they did.
— And those are the people that caused problems for Moses a little bit later, those are the ones that are going to start complaining about things. They outwardly identified with God's people, but nothing inwardly had been done with them in the covenant. There are people today that outwardly identify with church and the body of Christ, but they haven't inwardly. And I believe the first example of that was in Acts chapter five, Ananias and Sapphira.
— There you are.
— People that outwardly had identified with this, and they're going to be part of this blessing thing, but they didn't have the right spirit about it.
— No, and they were in the leadership of the church.
— That's exactly right.
— Because Peter called them by name, and that was a big church.
— Yes, sir.
— Great, a huge church, thousands and thousands of people in that church.
— And none of them lacked for anything. And Satan was trying to get a way in there. And it's real interesting because of the phraseology in the scripture there, it says, "A certain man". And you'll see the same thing with the centurion in Acts chapter 10, "a certain man, a certain centurion". So when it says, "a certain person, a certain this," it leads me to think, they're not part of the family. They're not a disciple. He didn't call him a brother or my brethren. He said, "a certain man, a certain this," but he doesn't say that...
— A certain rich man.
— A certain rich man.
— And Lazarus called him by name, but a certain rich man.
— Paul will write to the Thessalonian Church. The Thessalonian Church had questions concerning the rapture. They thought they had missed God already. They thought this thing had already happened. And in First Thessalonians chapter two, Paul is going to refer back to some of this inequity stuff. And verse 15, he'll say this, "Who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and have persecuted us. And they please not God and are contrary to all men". Verse 16, "Forbidding us to speak". Well, have we not seen that?
— Oh, my gosh, yes.
— "Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved to fill up their sins," filling it up. All of this stuff, this persecution stuff, all of this COVID stuff. All of this, "You can't have church. You can have church, but you can't sing," like they did in California. All of this is filling that iniquity cup up and it's filling quickly.
— Yes, it is.
— "For the wrath has come upon them to the uttermost," Paul writes in Thessalonians. Do not be discouraged by anything you're seeing. These are all signposts on the road to heaven for us. What they're experiencing in the early church, I command you to preach and teach no more in that name. It's all the way the church started and the same things, the devil's replaying the same handbook, at the end. And we can't be upset about it.
— Now someone said, "Brother Kenneth, what do you think's going to happen in 2024"? I don't have any idea. I don't know. I am of the opinion, strong, I might add, strong opinion, that there are some things that are going to happen between now and then that have huge effect on the 2024, when we have the presidential election again. Now we cannot ignore the midterm elections.
— No.
— That's huge.
— That's where you'll change.
— In some ways as important, even more important, than the presidential election, because it has to do with judges. It has to do with governors in some places. And it has to do with...
— Every congressmen, some senators.
— That's right.
— Vitally important.
— And so something has to happen between now and then on the same machines. I curse those machines in the name of Jesus. I curse them right now in Jesus' name, as a prophet of God and a minister of the Gospel. I curse wrong crooked machines. It's not the machine's fault, but the machine can be used to manipulate.
— The software.
— Yeah, it's the software in the thing. And that has to be stopped. That has to be stopped because it put other nations involved in our elections. And that has to quit now.
— Yes, sir.
— And in some ways, we're already into World War III, because it is worldwide.
— Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But we're in this. We have a responsibility in this, in our natural side, but we're not in this because we're covenant people. We will come out with abundance.
— Yes, sir.
— We'll come out with the nation that we want, because we have proof of it.
— World War II, our guys were training with wooden rifles and we came out the end of that war with more steel than we could use, more oil than we could burn. And the people were more prosperous than they had ever been in the history of this nation. And we're out of time.