Kenneth Copeland - Brought Together In Jesus
Father, we thank you today. Oh, we are so thrilled. The glory of God is in this studio and we're thrilled beyond measure. Glory to God. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We just worship you today, father. We worship you in that mighty name of Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you Holy Spirit, our teacher, our guide, our advocate, our comforter, our standby, our intercessor. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you. In Jesus name. Amen.
Kenneth Copeland: Now, on today's broadcast, I want to read Hebrews 11:6. But without faith it is impossible to please him, or please God, for he that comes to God must believe that he is and that he is the rewarder of them that diligently seek him for what? For righteousness.
Greg Stephens: That's it.
Kenneth Copeland: Of course it applies to other things, but this is all tied in with the righteousness of God.
Greg Stephens: That's it.
Kenneth Copeland: That's what this 11th chapter is about. That's what the book of Hebrews is about.
Greg Stephens: The book of Hebrews is a transition. It's a transition period, that temple is about to be destroyed when it was written. I personally believe Paul wrote it.
Kenneth Copeland: Oh, well I know he did.
Greg Stephens: There it is.
Kenneth Copeland: Now your father in the faith and my mentor, Kenneth E. Hagin, the most important prophet, in my opinion of the 20th century, he changed the face of the body of Christ. And Jesus appeared to him nine different times. He had an open vision. I mean, where he was, he was sitting there and Jesus opened the door, pulled up a chair and sat down and talk to him for over an hour and a half about the prophet's ministry. Open this...
Greg Stephens: Just like this.
Kenneth Copeland: He said he had, he had knocked his elbow out of place in a meeting and they, they had to put him under and put all that back. He really tore his elbow up and they kept him overnight. His wife Aretha had just left the room and he's just sitting up there, just, you know, just, you know Brother Hagin is just sitting up there praying in the Spirit that's what he does all the time. That's what he does for fun, brother. And he heard somebody coming down the hall, heard his shoes and you know that hard hospital floor. And then it sounded like somebody was coming in his room and you could tell he's coming in his room. And he said the door was a jar about four to six inches or so. And so he turned around to see who's coming in the room. And he said, I don't know why I looked down. But he said, when I looked down, I saw feet with a pair of Roman sandals on and he looked up and it's Jesus. Boy, he said ever hair on his head stood straight up. And Jesus asked him, now I don't, I don't remember where it was that I think may no... well it doesn't matter. But he asked Jesus, did Paul write the book of Hebrews? He said, yes, he did.
Greg Stephens: Well, there you go.
Kenneth Copeland: Well, and too, and in the book itself, he talks about Timothy. I mean, what do you...
Greg Stephens: Nobody else talked about Tim.
Kenneth Copeland: Who else is going to talk about Timothy?
Greg Stephens: And the oldest manuscripts had Galatians followed by Hebrews then Ephesians. I truly believe because Paul will write in Galatians, see what such a long letter I've written in my own hand. Well, Galatians isn't that long. It's not that long.
Kenneth Copeland: The whole thing was one letter.
Greg Stephens: I think it was all one letter, one letter to the Gentile, one letter to the Jews, they talk about the same thing.
Kenneth Copeland: It's all right there together.
Greg Stephens: Now maybe somebody else, he wrote it in his hand, maybe somebody else and then wrote it in Greek and a higher form of Greek cause that's the big argument. It's not Paul's style of Greek. Who cares? Um, but, but I think they were...
Kenneth Copeland: He was writing to Greeks.
Greg Stephens: That's right. I believe he wrote it. Yeah. Yeah. And they...
Kenneth Copeland: He very well may have written it in Hebrew.
Greg Stephens: Exactly. And I truly believe that.
Kenneth Copeland: Then somebody translated, wrote it in Greek.
Greg Stephens: And probably somebody with him that would have done that. But I truly believe...
Kenneth Copeland: Either way, it's a good book.
Greg Stephens: It's a great, it's a transition book Brother Copeland. That's where I was headed with that. It's a transition book in that the temple is about to be destroyed and every form of worship they have is gone. And now you're going to have to learn who Jesus is that he is your high priest. You're not going to go to this high priest anymore. That buildings not going to be there. And you're going to have to know that he's greater than Moses. He is your high priest. And he lists all of these people that did that prior to the law or during the law time. They, they accessed this Chesed by faith. And so this is what that book is about.
Kenneth Copeland: That's the reason it's impossible to pleas him without it.
Greg Stephens: That's exactly right.
Kenneth Copeland: And to, and to operate in a pleasing manner of faith you're going to have to know where it comes from, you're going to have to know what feeds it. You're going to have to know how to release it. You're going to have to come to that place where you have faith in your own faith.
Greg Stephens: Exactly.
Kenneth Copeland: In order to get that, you gotta be covenant minded, glory to God.
Greg Stephens: And once now I know that I'm in the covenant. I know I'm in the covenant. I know that I'm the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. But the righteousness of God, I know where I'm seated positionally with him in heavenly places. The righteousness of God still has to drive on the interstate and brush his teeth and comb his hair.
Kenneth Copeland: Yes, sir.
Greg Stephens: So I have to, by faith now, knowing where I'm positionally at know how to live in a world, that I'm not, I'm a stranger to, because of this covenant. And so that goes back to this.
Kenneth Copeland: Now you put that just the other way. The Orthodox Jew that has never walked in the second covenant, he's lacking in his concept of where we come from.
Greg Stephens: Exactly.
Kenneth Copeland: So now that's the reason they have to come together.
Greg Stephens: And so this is why Paul will write, you'll provoke them to jealousy because they'll see this joy in you they'll see the spirit in you they'll see the blessing on you apart from keeping all of this. How, how is it that they can walk in that blessing?
Kenneth Copeland: Particularly if he's an inmate in a prison, Judaism, won't get you there. You're still a jail bird. I mean, isn't that? Now you can gain if you know the book. But I dare say, if you were in prison, you don't know anything about the book. You're just a Jew and mad at everybody because everybody hates you.
Greg Stephens: Now I want to go on the record right here. We did not replace the church, the Christians did not replace...
Kenneth Copeland: Listen, that is that, that is, that's a doctrine of devils.
Greg Stephens: That's exactly right.
Kenneth Copeland: You can't replace Israel.
Greg Stephens: Because we can't go. This is why Paul will write, you've been grafted in, your roots are there, boy, you can be pruned off just as quickly too. In other words, don't think you're better than because we're brothers. We're one in him. He brought both groups together. The Gentile started believing on him and that's how he knew this was time. This is how it's supposed to happen. Which takes you to Romans chapter 4, therefore, verse 16. It is a faith that it might be by grace. Grace, faith doesn't require motion whatsoever. It is. And it-
Kenneth Copeland: It just is.
Greg Stephens: Now grace is, comes from love. Which, which it's, that's what makes me feel. Ooh, the grace of God, just get moved to tears. Moved with compassion.
Kenneth Copeland: Yes.
Greg Stephens: So now, because you need both...
Kenneth Copeland: Grace has provided it.
Greg Stephens: Yes.
Kenneth Copeland: But it took faith.
Greg Stephens: To get it.
Kenneth Copeland: To obtain it.
Greg Stephens: That's exactly right.
Kenneth Copeland: And activated it.
Greg Stephens: It is a faith that it might be by grace to the end that the promise be sure. The promise be sure to all. Jesus wasn't out just to get one group of people, but everyone. The seed, not only to that, which is of the law, but that also, which is the faith of Abraham who's the father of us all. Let me read you Romans chapter 4 verse 16, from the passion translation.
Kenneth Copeland: Praise God, buckle your seatbelt.
Greg Stephens: Here it is. The promise, listen to this. The promise depends on faith. The promise...
Kenneth Copeland: You have to have help to misunderstand that.
Greg Stephens: Yeah. Only a religious person or the government.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah. Real high price.
Greg Stephens: The promise depends on faith so that it can be experienced as a grace gift.
Kenneth Copeland: That is so good.
Greg Stephens: And now it extends to all the descendants of Abraham. And this promise is not only meant for those who obey the law, but also to those who enter into the faith of Abraham, the father of us all. You and I, all we've done is enter into the faith of Abraham. And be fully persuaded.
Kenneth Copeland: I just heard the Lord say something. We entered into the faith of Abraham and God's faith entered into us. Abraham is our example in time, because he, God said do it. He just went and did because he had faith in God. But when we accepted Jesus, God's faith entered into us. Then we entered in Abraham's faith.
Greg Stephens: It's like that thing I said where I walked by a car or I got in the car, it got in me. And it became part of me and part of my nature now, wow.
Kenneth Copeland: Now I've seen this and I wondered why I brought that situation up there with inmates. I've spent a lot of years ministering in prison, death row, baptized a serial killer in a County jail in San Antonio. And seen a lot of miraculous things happen. The power of the gospel, even though a man is in prison or a woman is in prison. If that person leaves prison with prison in them, they'll be back. The precent of them is just huge. It's 85, 90%. But we proved it in the Texas state. But the Kenneth Copeland ministries years ago put satellite television and satellite receivers in every Texas unit.
Greg Stephens: Glory to God.
Kenneth Copeland: And the inmates couldn't change the channel. They had to watch it. And it got to the point, if we wanted to do anything in the Texas system, all we had to do just call and say were going to do this. They said, okay, do it. Because it went down to between 2 and 3%. We taught faith and got the prison out of them. And they left and didn't come back.
Greg Stephens: Changed them, changed who they really are. Jesus said, the words I speak to you they are spirit and they are life. I am speaking to your spirit, not to your flesh. We have too many preachers that preach to the flesh, in my opinion, speak to that person's spirit and you'll change them. Cause I'm getting them to believe. They'll start believing that image on the inside of them.
Kenneth Copeland: The biggest thing speaking to a prison population, the biggest message, it's not the faith message. That's part of it. It, it it's, it's, it's a two part message, Marcus. There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus and you have been made the righteousness of God in him. You've been made the righteousness of God in him. You're just as righteous in the eyes of God as Jesus. Amen.
Greg Stephens: Amen. Let me, can I take you back to Romans chapter 3? Let me show you Romans chapter 3 here. I'm beginning with verse 23. Now I heard verse, if I have a dollar for every time I heard that.
Kenneth Copeland: All you have to be is raised in a Southern Baptist church.
Greg Stephens: See, that's tied to this 4:16 over here. They didn't have chapters. It's all tied together. One letter. Let me read it to you for all of sin and come short of the glory of God being justified freely by his grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteous, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are passed through the forbearance of God. Verse 26, to declare I say at this time, his righteousness now look what we're doing. We are so focused on oh you're a sinner. No, all of that is to declare his righteousness.
Kenneth Copeland: I got to repent for something.
Greg Stephens: Yes sir.
Kenneth Copeland: It sounded like judged the Southern Baptists. I didn't. Yeah, I did. And I repent, I didn't say it to be judgmental. Thank God, I'm telling you Baptist people. Jimmy Swaggart one time said they're more Baptist than they are people, brother. I mean no telling how many people they got born again. No telling how many people.
Greg Stephens: Well I did earlier...
Kenneth Copeland: Thank God for them.
Greg Stephens: Earlier in the week, I did it to the Pentecostals. So, I repent to the Pentecostals. Thank you, sir. That it might be just, verse 26, and the justifier of him, which believe in Jesus, where is boasting then it is excluded by, by what law of works. By the law of faith, by, by the law of faith, verse 28, therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of law. Listen to this. Is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes. Of the Gentiles. Also verse 30, seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith and the uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yea we establish the law. If you live in faith, understanding your righteousness, your faith means I'm believing that I am.
Kenneth Copeland: That I am that, I act like that. I talk like that. I believe that until I know that. And I just wake me up in the morning and say glory to God that's what I am.
Greg Stephens: What did I just do? I just established, I have fulfilled the law in me. And therefore thou there is no condemnation on me because I'm in Christ Jesus that did this. And now I don't have anything against my Jewish brother.
Kenneth Copeland: That's right.
Greg Stephens: Or against anybody else because we're all, this is how we were named now, man. So he's resurrected, I'm resurrected. Now I'm righteous and I can, I can mess up and have a temper tantrum, you know, not act righteous. And, but that's why I have a first John. Well, I'm a grace guy, but that's why I have a first John 1:9.
Kenneth Copeland: Yes, sir.
Greg Stephens: What I'm doing is I'm washing my feet off. Like Peter did that night. He said, no, you're already clean. Part of me, but you need to wash this off. So what do I do? A righteous person gets back up Proverbs 24:16 says for though the righteous fall seven times they rise again. But the wicked stumble when calamity strikes, this is why we don't calamity. COVID anything else. We don't, we don't stumble at this. Why? I'm fully persuaded. I'm righteous. And I have a covenant. It's the easiest thing in the world to get somebody healed.
Kenneth Copeland: Just one slight difference in prayer. Two born again people, been saved the same amount of time, filled with the Holy Spirit, speaking with other tongues. Lovely people got a great church. One of them prays, God, what am I going to do? The other one prays, God, what are you going to do? There's a difference.
Greg Stephens: Total difference.
Kenneth Copeland: What am I going to do? Nothing.
Greg Stephens: I'm looking to me.
Kenneth Copeland: I not going to do anything. Ah, except roll all the care of it over on him. Cast that all over on him and just sing all the way through it. Like Brother Hagin said, God's working on it while I'm asleep. He got something headed my way. Something I don't know anything.
Greg Stephens: Angels aren't sleeping they're still going.
Kenneth Copeland: My angel's out there gathering this up for me. Now when he tells me to do something, I do it.
Greg Stephens: Absolutely. That's the direction you receive to walk it out.
Kenneth Copeland: I was listening to a message by Brother Hagin. It goes right down the same line. It won't take but just a moment to tell. He had a group of women in the church that were meeting and going out and witnessing. And they were just, they were having no results. They were just going, picking a place. He said, wait a minute. We're not doing enough praying here. What are you going to do? He said, let's pray until we know what to do. They know more and got into that, Sergio until one of those women had a vision, she saw a street and a street sign. She saw the intersection of that street sign and saw this apartment house. She went into her husband and said, Dee, have you ever heard of that? Now this is a city of something like a million people. So he had a big wall map and they found it. She said, you know how to get there from here? He said, no, but we just follow a map. And there it was, there was the street corner and there's a, and, and then she saw the apartment, went up there to that apartment and knocked on the door. And this woman just so weak said, come in. She went in there and a woman was just about dead. She went in there, she laid hands on her and she was healed. I mean, instantly healed. The woman led her to the Lord. She said I was crying out to God. I saw you in a vision come in and lay your hand on me. God, what are you going to do? Then what am I going to do?
Greg Stephens: See here's what religion teaches you. Religion teaches you well you have to pay the price to do that. Well, Psalm 23 says surely goodness and Chesed will follow me all the days of my life. So I have a guide following me, directing me. If I were to slip off, get off on the wrong path, I've got mercy. And I got goodness to guide me in all of that. All I need to do, instead of me trying to pay the price, he's already paid the price I'm in him. He knows exactly what the next step and that's covenant.
Kenneth Copeland: Yes, it is. That's all part of the family. That's all part of knowing who you are and depending on who you are and, and coming to that place where you're like Jesus at the tomb of Lazarus, he didn't have to stop and think, Whoa, do I've got enough faith to do this? He wasn't thinking about faith. He's just doing what God said. Go over there and raise him up. He went over there and raised him up.
Greg Stephens: He even said they even made comment Oh, look how sad he is over there crying. You would've thought he could have done something for him as powerful as he is. He said, I'm going to say this for your sake. Not for mine.
Kenneth Copeland: Tongues was not a manifestation in the first covenant, only in the second. But he groaned in the spirit and then he said, I know you always heard me. You talk about the absolute covenant relationship with God the Father. And he had to enter into that covenant.
Greg Stephens: That's what he did, he withdrew himself from them.