Kenneth Copeland - No Threat Can Prevail Against You
Kenneth Copeland: Hello everybody. Welcome to Friday's edition of the Believer's Voice of Victory broadcast. I'm Kenneth Copeland.
Father, we thank You today. What a marvelous exciting week this has been. And we give you all the praise and the honor and the glory for all that's happening all over the world on the Victory Network today. In Jesus' name we praise You for it because Jesus is Lord. And we thank You. And we desire Your presence more than life. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Kenneth Copeland: Marilyn, this has been absolutely wonderful.
Marilyn Hickey: Well I love you dearly. I love to be with you. Your face stimulates mine. I'm going up another notch.
Kenneth Copeland: Amen. Now I read this note. I didn't know this until I read this. In Pakistan, 32 suicide bombers took an oath to kill you.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: Now I want to read the Scripture. "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, 'Now is come salvation and strength". Notice the word "strength" there? This is Revelation 12:10. "And the kingdom of our God and the power of His Christ," what's the word Christ? The anointed One and His anointing. You can never separate the anointing from the power...
Marilyn Hickey: No.
Kenneth Copeland: Nor the power from the anointing. That's very important. "For the accuser of the brethren is cast down which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony," or the confession of their mouth. "And they loved not their lives unto death". Now this is... You have to be like this. You have to be so...
Marilyn Hickey: Focused?
Kenneth Copeland: Focused, "I'm called to be here, and I'm going come hell or high water. I'm going to do what I'm called to do. I'm going to be there one way or the other". And listen, 1 Corinthians the 15th chapter is there. And that 57th verse, "Thanks be to God which always gives us the victory". He's talking about victory over death. He's talking about victory over the grave. Praise God. I remember Oral called me one day. And he said, "Kenneth," Oh I could tell he really was upset over something. I said, "What is it, Sir"? "Oh," he said... Now oral had had a stent put in back when there was things for him just at the very beginning. Now somebody said, "I don't understand why Oral Roberts get all those people healed, then he had to have a stent". Healing is not a reward.
Marilyn Hickey: That is so good. So good.
Kenneth Copeland: Now when you lay your hands on two million people, you're going to get tired.
Marilyn Hickey: Oh brother.
Kenneth Copeland: Your faith gets worn out. You get beat up.
Marilyn Hickey: You do.
Kenneth Copeland: Amen. And he had to have medical help. I mean the man built a hospital, you understand? We believe in medical science. Well this was early days of the stents. And they had a life span on him. And this thing was over with and then some. And they wanted to go back in there and put a more permanent one. And he said, "They told me, 'Oral, this is too big risk.' Can you imagine somebody telling Oral Roberts not to take a risk"? He was really mad. He was calling at me on the telephone. And he said, "Well they said, 'Just take it easy and take your medicine.'" And he said, "They told me I might die, Oral Roberts not taking a risk and besides that, the other side of that is stunning". It struck me. Marilyn, that's still alive in me today. The other side of that is stunning. The victory over death is stunning.
Marilyn Hickey: Exactly. Exactly.
Kenneth Copeland: And you have to know it the way you know your own name and the way you know your hat size that God we have victory over death. And death can't kill me. You can't kill me till I get my job done.
Marilyn Hickey: True.
Kenneth Copeland: You can't do it, Satan.
Marilyn Hickey: No.
Kenneth Copeland: You can't take me yet.
Marilyn Hickey: No.
Kenneth Copeland: You don't have the power to take me.
Marilyn Hickey: Exactly.
Kenneth Copeland: Amen.
Marilyn Hickey: Amen.
Kenneth Copeland: You don't quit till you win.
Marilyn Hickey: Till you win.
Kenneth Copeland: You see that right there?
Kenneth Copeland: Marilyn Hickey, it's not over until you win. We win.
Marilyn Hickey: We win.
Kenneth Copeland: Hey, I just read from the back of the book. We win. Hallelujah.
Marilyn Hickey: Right. Right. We do.
Kenneth Copeland: Whooo. Glory be to God. We did it again. I don't preach myself happy. Whooo whooo. The joy of the Lord is all over this place. Whoo glory be to Jesus. Let's talk about the 32 killers that wanted to take you out.
Marilyn Hickey: Well that was my third meeting. And I think it was... I want to say 27, maybe 32. But anyway, they took an oath to blow up the stadium and to kill me. So the government's all nervous because they don't want the stadium blowing up. So thanks a lot.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: And so...
Kenneth Copeland: Appreciate all of that compassion.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah, I'm really worried to hear this. So they said, "You can't use the stadium. We don't want it blowing up". So I had to go. And I got a football field for the meeting. And so people said to me, "They're going to kill you". And I got this, "What if they kill me"? I said, "What if I'm a martyr? That's the closest place you can get to the throne in Revelation 5". So I said, "If I die..." And then I told the devil, I said, "If I become a martyr, I'll be very famous. So they'll kill some old lady in Pakistan. Look how cruel these people are. And people will say, 'Oh she died for her faith.'" So I said, "If you want to kill me, I'm going to get more saved than I do in my life". And that was the end of that.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah, you could just tell him, "Remember Samson"?
Marilyn Hickey: I did.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: And another thing, now you're talking to something. They got nervous so they hired a man with a gun outside my room 24 hours a day because they didn't want me to be killed. And I slept very well. And at that time, I was memorizing the gospel of John. So when I get afraid, I just start speaking the Scriptures.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah, Amen.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: Glory to God.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. And I look to some of these things and being warned. But if God has called you to do it...
Kenneth Copeland: Oh you'd do it.
Marilyn Hickey: I don't want to miss what's on the other side of the mountain.
Kenneth Copeland: Amen. Amen.
Marilyn Hickey: You know? We speak to mountains, but why do we do it? To get what's on the other side.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: What's on the other side is revival in Pakistan, revival in these countries. That's the key.
Kenneth Copeland: The danger is being afraid and not doing it.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: I had someone say to me, "Well you don't want to take your airplane in there because it might be in a danger zone and somebody might destroy the airplane. And so you don't..." No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I decide I'm that afraid, now my airplane's in danger because I left it at home. You see where you're going with this?
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: You cannot use fear and win.
Marilyn Hickey: No.
Kenneth Copeland: Fear has no place in this business, none whatsoever, because the spirit of fear is the spirit of death. And that's the open door to death right there.
Marilyn Hickey: Right. Right. Right.
Kenneth Copeland: That's the first step to either failing the mission or being injured or dying. And that's not a true martyr.
Marilyn Hickey: No. No.
Kenneth Copeland: You just killed because you were afraid to go. But when you just, "I've got this. I've spent the time praying over this. And I remind myself of all of the times in the past". And you just get excited about it. You get thrilled about it. And you say, "Come on. Glory to God. Let's go".
Marilyn Hickey: And we just had the meeting out in the streets. We didn't have a place. And so we just blocked off the streets. And you say, "Did you ask"? No.
Kenneth Copeland: You just did it.
Marilyn Hickey: We just did it. And a Catholic priest loaned some of his land for us to use for the overflow.
Kenneth Copeland: Praise God.
Marilyn Hickey: And we had some of the most unusual miracles I've ever had. And it was a last minute change. You don't have time to advertise it. And yet we had over 30,000 people and more coming into that.
Kenneth Copeland: Oh man.
Marilyn Hickey: I mean some of these things I look back and think, "God, that is so awesome. Have I rejoiced in You enough over this"? We had a big meeting. Another thing, I took staff with me, just a few. I don't take a lot of people. You don't want to. You don't want to look big. You want to look little, woman, weak. That's the way you want to look. And so I went to the husbands or the wives and said, "Now, I want you to know your husband or your wife are in danger. So if you don't want them to go, I understand. And I'm fine". They said, "No". They said, "If they die, they die a martyr". That's a wonderful way to die. Well none of us died. But we had thousands of people get changed.
Kenneth Copeland: That is what's so important.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. Yeah. So people think, "Oh it will be exciting to travel with her". Would it? I mean these are people that really are called of God to get out there and put your life on the line. So-
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah. What's next?
Marilyn Hickey: Well next of course I want to do Saudi Arabia.
Kenneth Copeland: Of course.
Marilyn Hickey: But I also want to go back to Pakistan. And there are some things I would like to do in some other countries. I wouldn't mind doing some things in Europe because I think Europe is so desolate. I would like to see some doors open in Europe to go in.
Kenneth Copeland: What about Spain? Do you get anything about Spain?
Marilyn Hickey: I have been to Spain. And I've done healing meetings there, also in Portugal. I don't have any real strong leading, but TBN is in there. And I think that's been a big thing. The thing about Spain is they hate the Catholic church. And so we have to go in and love them all. We love the Catholics. We love anybody. We love the atheists. So if you can promote it, it's a healing meeting for everybody, atheist, everything. And the same with Buddhists. If you say, "I love Buddhists". They really respond to you. But what happens saying these things is people begin to feel it because I told you I go into grocery stores and Muslim women will come over and lean against me and say, "I don't know what it is about you. But I just love you".
Kenneth Copeland: Oh praise God.
Marilyn Hickey: And see I said that so long.
Kenneth Copeland: But they starve for love in the first place.
Marilyn Hickey: Oh they are. They are. And if you read the Koran, there are a lot of things they tell you that are in their Koran that are there. So they say they hate Christians, all that. But we say we love them.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. And I do individual. I have a family in our city, Muslim. And he had a limousine service. And that's how I met the man Dave that was the head of it. And so I began to witness to him. And so then I asked if he and his family would come over for dinner. Most people would come for a meal. So they came over for dinner. And I got to talk to them and fed them, and sweet to them, and ministered, gave them Bibles and so on. And it looked like they just kind of dropped out on me. That was, I don't know, maybe seven or eight years ago. So recently because I'm in and out of our church because of travel, I went in. And here was Saman, the youngest of them. And he said, "I go here to church. I'm getting water baptized. And this is my girlfriend. She's gotten saved too". And this came from way back there.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: The Lord says to you, "Our laborer..." And the Lord is never in vain because sometimes we think, "Duh, I did all this. Zero". But it's never in vain, Kenneth. Never.
Kenneth Copeland: I've noticed I've had the Lord correct me on this many more times than once. My knowledge about a place is the last time I was there. But because Jesus was there, He's still there. I came back to Fort Worth. He's still there. And the thing is still progressing particularly if all the prayer staff is still doing their job, and I'm doing my prayer job. And things will... Then it's working. And that's one of the real difficult things to learn. But that's why we look not at the things which are seen. And you don't remember something just based on what you saw or while you were there that you have to believe that what you did worked.
Marilyn Hickey: Exactly.
Kenneth Copeland: Think about Philip and one man, one man out in the desert, and the length that God went to to get that one man, just one guy. But that changed Ethiopia which became very important. Now Philip didn't go there anymore I don't guess. At least nothing in the Word says anything about it. But if all he remembered was baptizing that guy and the supernatural waterhole that showed up in the middle of the desert, glory to God, but then you have to know that if God went to that length to get me in front of that guy, he's got a plan that goes on and on and on and on and on and on.
Marilyn Hickey: You're talking about Ethiopia. Years ago, really that was my first country to really get into was Ethiopia. And they were in a drought. It was really really bad. And I thought, "Oh my goodness". God really put it on my heart to pray for Ethiopia. So I thought if I could get in there and take in Bibles and take in food. But I couldn't get a visa. I tried. And so we had a woman in our church, an Ethiopian woman who had become a Christian. So I told her, I'm calling the Minister of Affairs in D.C. to try and get a visa. I can't get it. Well she said, "What is his name"? Well their language is real different. So I said, "Well I don't know for sure. But I've written it down. I can't tell you what it is". So she looked at it. And she called him. She had the number. She got through to him. And she said, "You'll have your visa tomorrow". She spoke to him in their language. And I said, "Well how did you get it"? She said, "He's my old boyfriend". God is very economical.
Kenneth Copeland: Oh man, I tell you. Listen to that.
Marilyn Hickey: And I've been in Ethiopia a lot. There's a lot going on in Ethiopia. And so you don't know.
Kenneth Copeland: No.
Marilyn Hickey: He can use old boyfriends.
Kenneth Copeland: Yeah.
Marilyn Hickey: Isn't that hilarious?
Kenneth Copeland: He's got a plan.
Marilyn Hickey: He's got a plan.
Kenneth Copeland: He always has a plan.
Marilyn Hickey: He's got a plan.
Kenneth Copeland: Amen. Glory to God.
Marilyn Hickey: So that... I've been to Ethiopia quite a bit. I like Ethiopia. The people are so warm and so gracious. And the Bible tells you in Jeremiah that you know an Ethiopian by their looks. And once you identify an Ethiopian one, you'll know them all. And they work in the airports quite a bit. They're very sweet, very warm people. But a lot of good things are happening in Ethiopia right now. So I think we think, well, we hit it one shot. But we don't know how many more people are going to give it.
Kenneth Copeland: That's right.
Marilyn Hickey: And how it's like you told about the eunuch. You don't know...
Kenneth Copeland: You don't know.
Marilyn Hickey: How that's going to go on from there.
Kenneth Copeland: We're only one of a plan.
Marilyn Hickey: Kenneth, and I have to think of you teaching faith starting out in the way you did teaching faith. I remember listening to your tapes. I'd be getting dressed in the morning listening to your tape building up my faith listening to Kenneth Copeland. How do you know how many people are in the faith?
Kenneth Copeland: You get really focused particularly in the beginning when you don't have anything. And you get really focused on what you're doing. And of course, I learned by getting totally immersed in Kenneth Hagin's tapes. I had found that I had such a love for the Spanish language. I wanted total immersion so bad. And because I had found out what they did in World War II when total immersion, you couldn't speak anything but the language. It was out in Monterey, California.
Marilyn Hickey: I didn't know that.
Kenneth Copeland: And in six weeks, you were conversational and fluent. And within a year, you were an interpreter.
Marilyn Hickey: Wow.
Kenneth Copeland: Well they still have those schools today. And I wanted to do that in Spanish just really bad. Anyway, and I thought this will work with the Word. Glory to God. And I heard those tapes. And I just buried myself in them. Well, that whole total immersion idea... Thank you, Lord. Help me with this. You bury yourself in the Word and you surround yourself with what you're called to do. Now there's other things you have to do. But that has to be first place in your life. And a person that is a business person, and you know you're called into that business. That's wonderful to be successful in that business. You're going to have to learn from God how that business works. And the ins and outs of that thing. Now when you start doing that, you start getting things to other people, and that business don't even know it. And the wisdom of God makes you a success. They start coming to you, "How are you doing this"? Particularly in today's economy. You say, "You really want to know"? And it's the same principle. Well even back there then, when you said you were listening to those tapes in the morning time...
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. Feeding my faith. Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: Feeding your faith.
Marilyn Hickey: You bet.
Kenneth Copeland: Feed it all the time.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: Your faith is always hungry.
Marilyn Hickey: That's good.
Kenneth Copeland: It says feed it all the time.
Marilyn Hickey: It is hungry.
Kenneth Copeland: It's always hungry.
Marilyn Hickey: Oh it's hungry.
Kenneth Copeland: It's never satisfied.
Marilyn Hickey: Nope.
Kenneth Copeland: And you just keep feeding it and feeding it and feeding it. Gloria and I have some of the finest meetings right there in the bed.
Marilyn Hickey: I bet. I bet.
Kenneth Copeland: We listen to Brother Hagin. It may not get to about 10 or 15 minutes into it, and all of a sudden, we are in it. And we just let him talk for an hour about healing and so forth, and we're out of time.
Marilyn Hickey: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Kenneth Copeland: Ughhhh.
Marilyn Hickey: That's too bad.
Kenneth Copeland: It happened again.
Marilyn Hickey: Again? Yes.
Kenneth Copeland: Haven't this been enjoyable with Marilyn Hickey. Glory to God. Thank you darling girl.
Marilyn Hickey: Oh thank you.
Kenneth Copeland: We appreciate it so much.
Marilyn Hickey: Thank you.