John Bradshaw - What Does the Bible Say About Alcohol, The Elect, Drinking, and the False Prophet
John Bradshaw: Welcome to "Line Upon Line," brought to you by It Is Written. This is where we get to answer your Bible questions. I'm John Bradshaw, with me, Pastor Wes Peppers. Wes, ready to go?
Wes Peppers: Ready to go. Good to be here.
John Bradshaw: Great to have you here. Let's start at the beginning.
Wes Peppers: Thank you.
John Bradshaw: What's our first question?
Wes Peppers: All right, our first question comes from Julie. And she says, "Will you please explain Deuteronomy 14:26? ...It sounds like [God is saying you] can drink wine," but elsewhere in the Bible, He counsels against it. "What does the Bible say"?
John Bradshaw: Okay. Yeah, let's take a look at the verse. I'll read from the King James: "Thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after", whatever you desire, "for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household". Well, it sounds like God is saying, "You got money? You can go to the liquor store and buy down there at that liquor store whatever you'd like". But would that be consistent with the rest of the Bible?
Wes Peppers: It is not. There's many places in the Bible that say, you shall not drink the alcohol. Stay away from it. It's not for God's people. So the Bible doesn't conflict. It's consistent all the way through.
John Bradshaw:I got a question for you. And, Julie, don't take this personally. Why in the world would anybody... I'm not saying you do, you're asking a genuine question as a question, but why in the world would anybody want to drink alcohol? That a fair question?
Wes Peppers: That's a pretty good question.
John Bradshaw: Now, we understand people. You know, if you have a past and you've been there, you can ask this question with some compassion and some understanding. Alcohol is profoundly bad for you. Alcohol is cancer-causing. We talk about the damage that cigarettes do. Alcohol is carcinogenic. It causes cancer. Alcohol causes domestic violence and all sorts of crime. And the loss of dignity and the loss of... respect and all sorts of things. It's implicated in all kind of crime. It's ruined families again and again and again. I understand when you're young, it's edgy, and it's fun to get a little...
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: ...to get a little out of control. How can that be fun? And we understand people think it's fun, but it isn't. And it's dangerous, and it's silly. And when it comes to reducing your alcohol intake, people say, "Well, I've cut back". The experts will say, and I hate to say this, if you Google it, you'll see it because the experts are saying it everywhere now: The only safe level to which you can reduce your alcohol consumption is to zero. That's the only safe reduction. So why do you think God said this? What we do know is that God frequently meets people where they are. God permitted slavery. That doesn't mean it was God's idea, but He permitted it because that's where the people were, and He worked with them. He permitted polygamy. No, polygamy is not biblical. It's not the will of God. It's not appropriate, but that's where they were back then, so God was kind of working with them. There are times in the Bible that you can see God was working with His people. Noah got blind drunk. Lot, tragically drunk, and all kinds of terrible things happened there. Doesn't mean God okayed that or was in agreement with that, but He worked with His faulty people, just like He works with you and me. Any other thought?
Wes Peppers: Yeah. In addition to that, in the context of this passage, they are going up to Jerusalem. So they're making a journey up to Jerusalem to have sacrifices, and God tells them to take the goods that they had, whether it be the juice, the fresh grape juice off the vine, or the the crops or whatever, take them up there and then sell them and give that money as an offering. Well, by the time they made that journey, that grape juice would already be fermenting. And in fact, in other places, it talks about them taking that wine, or that juice, and pouring it out on the ground as a drink offering. So God is not commanding them to drink it.
John Bradshaw: Correct.
Wes Peppers: He's commanding them to use it as an offering. So, you know, it's a very vague text to try to take and say, "Oh yeah, God's telling us we can drink alcohol".
John Bradshaw: Yes.
Wes Peppers: Very vague.
John Bradshaw: I think you make a good point there. Some texts are real clear. Others you look at, you go, "Hmm, we've really got to dig here to try to find out what God was on about". So when He says that in Deuteronomy 14:26, and over in the Proverbs and numerous other places, He speaks categorically in opposition to alcohol. When I was a brand new Christian, had an interesting thing happen. A pastor gave me a list of Bible texts. Now, I was a long way from home. I remember the texts were put together by a pastor, I think, from Alabama, didn't matter. It was something; it was a resource. It was before the internet.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: So he didn't print it off, somebody found it online. And there were like 160 texts or something referencing alcohol in the negative...
Wes Peppers: Yes. Yes.
John Bradshaw: ...in the negative. So I don't think it's sophistication that says, "I'd like to drink alcohol". I don't think it's progressivism that says, "I'd like to drink alcohol". It's selfishness.
Wes Peppers: That's right. That's right.
John Bradshaw: And while I'm busy offending you, let me go a little bit further. It's ignorance. You think, "Oh, well, I'll drink a little of this, and I'll look as cool as my neighbors, and I can buy this wine and talk about where it was grown and what the vintage was". Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And you or your children or someone is gonna do what you do and will lose their dignity, maybe their life, maybe their health, certainly a bunch of money. It's not smart. Leave it alone.
Wes Peppers: Just real quick, what you said earlier about science now saying that the acceptable level is zero.
John Bradshaw: Zero.
Wes Peppers: It used to be that science said, "Oh, one drink a day is good for you".
John Bradshaw: Correct, correct.
Wes Peppers: And now, they've reneged that, so now science does not even say that you should do that or it's good for you.
John Bradshaw: You remember they used to say, "Oh, well, drink red grape juice. It's good for you"?
Wes Peppers: Yes. Yes.
John Bradshaw: "Red wine is good for your heart"?
Wes Peppers: Red wine.
John Bradshaw: It's not true.
Wes Peppers: That's right. Drink grape juice.
John Bradshaw: And anything, the resveratrol that's in the red grapes, oh, that's evidently good for you, but they say the good effects have been way overblown.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: Probably because the study was done by a winemaker.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: But the literature or the propaganda that says it's good for you is simply not true. Now, people do it all the time. They say, "I know something's not good for me. I'm gonna do it anyway". That's for you to figure out between you and God.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: We would suggest you don't, but...
Wes Peppers: I could take a glass of orange juice with some cobra venom in it and say, "I'm gonna drink this 'cause orange juice is good for me," but it's gonna have other problems. You don't wanna add bad to what is good. You wanna just take that which is good, and that's what God gives us.
John Bradshaw: Alcohol is cobra venom.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: That's true. It's bad stuff.
Wes Peppers: That's it.
John Bradshaw: Okay, I've got a question for you from Rebecca. "Who does the Bible identify as the false prophet"?
Wes Peppers: That's a great question. It's a prophetic question. And you find that in the book of Revelation, chapter 13. And it talks about in chapter 16 the false prophet. But we're gonna take a look at Revelation, chapter 13, because it really, more detailedly, describes that. In Revelation, chapter 13, you have two beasts. You have the beast that rises up out of the sea, and then you have the beast that rises up out of the earth.
John Bradshaw: Okay, what is this? Jurassic Park? What is a beast?
Wes Peppers: Yeah. Well Daniel, chapter 7 and other places talk about a beast in prophecy being a nation or a kingdom or some kind of entity related to that, political or religious.
John Bradshaw: Okay, so folks who look at prophecy down in the end of time and say, "The beast is gonna be a man"...
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: ...simply cannot be true.
Wes Peppers: It just cannot be.
John Bradshaw: No disrespect intended, but it cannot be true because we've got that, as you said, in Daniel, other places.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: Beast is a kingdom or a nation.
Wes Peppers: There are novels that say that the antichrist power is a man. He has red eyes and all these different things. But the Bible doesn't indicate that at all. The Bible does say that this beast power is led by a man, but it is not specifically a man. It's a power. It's a religious power.
John Bradshaw: We know the Bible is novel, but it's not a novel.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: Yeah.
Wes Peppers: So the first beast rises from the sea. We get through the characteristics, given in Revelation 13, that that is the antichrist power at the end of time. The second beast aids that first beast to enforce false worship upon the world, and this is the major end-time scenario at the end of time. We see from the reformers, many reformers throughout time identify that first beast as the Roman Catholic Church. And that is...
John Bradshaw: Well, the papacy, really, the government.
Wes Peppers: The papacy, that's right.
John Bradshaw: Now, you mentioned many reformers, so let's name some: Martin Luther....
Wes Peppers: Martin Luther.
John Bradshaw: ...his sidekick, Melanchthon Hus, his assistant or collaborator, Jerome...
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: ...John Calvin, John Knox.
Wes Peppers: John Wesley.
John Bradshaw: John Wesley, that's far more recent.
Wes Peppers: Charles Spurgeon.
John Bradshaw: Charles Spurgeon, who was after the Reformation...
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: ...but preached that Reformation theology.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: So the point is, the statement that you just made was believed by Protestantism.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: A hundred percent of Protestants believed that. So what he studied...
Wes Peppers: For many hundreds of years.
John Bradshaw: Hundreds of years.
Wes Peppers: Yes.
John Bradshaw: So it didn't come out of a vacuum. And how we got away from that is a study in and of itself.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: But back to you. Go ahead.
Wes Peppers: Sure. And so that's consistent throughout Christian theology until just very recently. And so, the second beast power that you find, when you look at those identifying points, and you can go to itiswritten.tv and find full programs that describe all those, but it seems to indicate the United States of America is that second beast power.
John Bradshaw: Mm-hmm.
Wes Peppers: So those two working together at the end of time will be seeking to enforce the mark of the beast upon the world.
John Bradshaw: And I would say they would act in sincerity.
Wes Peppers: Yes.
John Bradshaw: They would do what they think is for the greater good.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: But what we have, particularly with the mother church, is a system that appeals first to tradition and second to the Bible, first to custom and second to the Bible. So whenever you have that, whenever you have that, you've got something that's simply not being faithful to Scripture. So you can in your heart of hearts say, "But I believe in what the magisterium have said. I believe in what the edicts of popes down through the years", and if that's what you genuinely believe, God bless you; that's your right as a human being. But if you were to say, "You know what, I really wanna do is put the Bible first," we think that would be the more biblical way to go. Christians are people who follow Christ. Christ is revealed to us in His Word. Okay, we go to the third question; what have we got?
Wes Peppers: All right, the next question is, "What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol"?
John Bradshaw: Oh, well, there we go. We kind of covered that, didn't we?
Wes Peppers: We did.
John Bradshaw: Why don't we read some of those passages? I'm gonna go to Proverbs, chapter 20. If you've got another one, you might want to find that.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: Proverbs, chapter 20, and we'll begin right around in the beginning of the chapter. Listen to this: "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise". Now, I know what somebody's thinking: "Yeah, but it says, 'Whoever is deceived thereby.' How 'bout I just not be deceived"? That's that first verse. It tells you straight up that wine mocks. And it is a brawler that causes brawling and violence. What would you add to that?
Wes Peppers: Well, it doesn't mean that it's that way for me sometimes and not other times as some people would like to think. You know, "Oh, it's okay if it's in this scenario or that scenario". No, it says it's all those things every single time, so ya have to be very careful.
John Bradshaw: That's right.
Wes Peppers: There's another passage in Proverbs 31, verse 4. He says, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted". And so the Bible says that it's not for kings, number one. Number two, it says that it causes you to "forget the law" and to "pervert justice". And as Christians, obviously, we don't wanna forget God's law, nor do we want to pervert justice. Now, what's fascinating is when you go to Revelation, chapter 1, the Bible describes something that Jesus does for us. It says in Revelation, chapter 1 that Jesus makes us "kings and priests" before His Father.
John Bradshaw: And in Proverbs it said alcohol is not for kings.
Wes Peppers: It is not for kings. So as Jesus makes us kings, by adopting us into the family of God, certainly that principle would apply to us. Not only that, He says He makes us priests. So we don't want to, you wouldn't want your pastor up there preaching a sermon after drinking a couple of beers.
John Bradshaw: You would not. You would not. Here's what it says in Proverbs 23: "Who [has] woe? Who [has] sorrow? Who [has] contentions? Who [has] babbling? Who hath wounds without cause? Who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine". Now, very straight counsel here: "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright", talking about fermentation, "At the last it [bites] like a serpent, and [stings] like an adder. [Your] eyes shall behold strange women, and [your] heart shall utter perverse things", talking about the tendency to immorality, "Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast". The room spins and your world starts to do this sort of a thing. "'They have stricken me,' [you shall] say, 'and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I [didn't feel it]: when shall I awake?'" And then it says this, six words: "I will seek it yet again".
Wes Peppers: Again.
John Bradshaw: "Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit". Don't poison it. We can say this very matter-of-factly as two people who used to drink alcohol way, way, way, way, way back in the dark ages of our lives. But, you know, there comes a time when light shines in your heart, and you wanna do the will of God. You say, "No, take this away. Take this away". If you're a social drinker, "Oh, I only drink occasionally," you won't miss it very much.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: And by the way, I would say this. If you know someone who drinks alcohol, try to be kind. Try to be gracious. Don't be condemning. Conviction only comes from the Holy Spirit, as we've spoken about this. Our prayer would be that the Spirit of God has spoken somehow to your heart. All right, we're gonna be back in just a moment. If you have a question for us, email it to us: [email protected], [email protected]. With Wes Peppers, I'm John Bradshaw. Back with more in a moment, this is "Line Upon Line".
John Bradshaw: Welcome back to "Line Upon Line," brought to you by It Is Written. I'm John Bradshaw with Wes Peppers. We're answering your Bible questions, and we wanna say thank you for getting Bible questions to us. Every question we answer is a question we have received here at It Is Written. And so I'm gonna go to the next question. This is from Cyndee, who says, Wes, "God [tells] Moses...to take vengeance on the Midianites. [But] Moses' father-in-law was a priest of Midian.... [So] his wife", Moses' wife, "was...a Midianite, right"?
Wes Peppers: That's correct. And, you know, the Midianites were often the enemies of God's people.
John Bradshaw: Mm-hmm.
Wes Peppers: And they often caused them trouble. And the time had come where their cup was full and God says, "It's time to remove them". And it's noteworthy to say that God will not destroy a group of people until they reach the point of no return. If there's an opportunity for them to repent, he bears with the evil that they make on the earth, hopefully, that they will turn and be saved. And so, yeah, his wife was a Midianite, but that doesn't mean he was gonna kill his wife. It was a command to wipe out that society of people.
John Bradshaw: I do wanna come back to the point you made. I think it bears us drilling down on a little more.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: You see, people who get frustrated with the Bible, sometimes atheists or agnostics or whatever, have a real hard time with this thing of God wiping people out destroying nations. Okay, well, let's understand something. How many of those people would say, "I wish World War II had never happened"?
Wes Peppers: Everybody, I would guess.
John Bradshaw: Mm-hmm. What if it hadn't happened?
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm. Yes.
John Bradshaw: What I'm saying is Hitler would've overrun Europe. The British would be speaking German today. And who knows what would be happening here in the United States.
Wes Peppers: We might be speaking German as well.
John Bradshaw: Could be, yeah. So the point is, sometimes warfare is necessary. I say that in a very human way. You understand what I mean? From a human point of view, sometimes it's necessary. So, we already have some framework for understanding when it's "appropriate" to go to war. I know that's a tricky one. God didn't do this when it was inappropriate. He had pled and pled and pled with people to turn around. And the Midianites posed an existential threat to Israel.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: It was just better for everybody that they're not there.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: Justice can seem harsh sometimes, it's rough stuff, but God is love, and God is merciful.
Wes Peppers: You know, there's a passage in Genesis that talks about that very thing when Abraham was coming out. If I recall correctly, I think it's Genesis, chapter 15. And it's Genesis, chapter 15, verse 16. And it's when God is dealing with Abraham and he's coming out; God's calling him out of the land that he was in, and He says this: "But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete".
John Bradshaw: Yeah, how about that?
Wes Peppers: And later God calls them to be destroyed. And so God was bearing with that evil nation seeking to get them to repent. And finally when their cup is full, then they were, they were eliminated. Not because God is cruel but because God is just; it was to prevent further evil. And they had reached a point where, no matter what He did for them or no matter what calls He gave to them, they would never turn away from that evil. And at that point in time, they're just causing worse corruption upon the earth.
John Bradshaw: Amen. "Can evil angels kill each other during the millennium? Can they build weapons of mass destruction during the 1,000 years they are here on earth alone with Satan"? and so forth. "Can evil angels kill each other during the millennium"?
Wes Peppers: No, I don't think the Bible says that.
John Bradshaw: No, they're metaphysical beings and we don't believe they're out killing each other. Do they build? We have no record of angels constructing. Now, what they do is inspire people to do all kinds of crazy things, but at this time there are no people on the earth during the millennium.
Wes Peppers: And after the millennium, all the lost of all the ages will be resurrected in there at one time. So there'll be a lot of deception, and as you said, inspiration, inspiring them to do something. We don't know exactly what that'll look like, but I think it's worthy to note that it's God who brings that judgment. God's the one who would bring the destruction. It's not people killing each other or angels. They may be pretty mad at Lucifer by then 'cause he's deceived them all that time, but it's God that will bring that final judgment of destruction.
John Bradshaw: David asks, "Did God create Satan because God wanted us to have free choice"? And then, "Will Satan perish along with those who died in sin without forgiveness"? Two questions, so... why did God create Satan? Well, really easy answer to that question, and that is that God didn't create Satan. God created a perfect being whose name was Lucifer. Lucifer, a very high-ranking angel, Bible describes him as a covering cherub. He dwelled in the actual presence of God. He became self-centered and selfish, and sin came that way. God didn't create a devil.
Wes Peppers: No. He created a perfect, beautiful angel. Satan really created himself, and he's the one that chose to disobey God. He's the one that allowed that thought in his heart to continue to grow until it birthed sin.
John Bradshaw: In a certain sense, we see that in the world.
Wes Peppers: Mm-hmm.
John Bradshaw: Many people who've gone on to be infamous criminals, their mothers will say, "He was such a lovely boy". The high school classmates will say, "Well, when we knew her, she was just the sweetest thing. Never imagined she could do such a thing". And though we're humans and not perfect angels, it's a similar principle. Lucifer started perfect, went bad. The reason was he chose to go bad because he was selfish. So, God gave us free choice, and the... misuse of that free choice by Lucifer was what created a devil, Satan.
Wes Peppers: A continual choice to reject. You know, I just had this discussion with my son the other day. And there was a very sensitive issue that he had responded to in a very positive way that, you know, he was confronted with a thing, and he said, "No, I don't wanna do that". And he turned away from it. And he talked to me about it, and he was like, "I'm so thankful that I had the Holy Spirit speaking to me".
John Bradshaw: Mm. Amen.
Wes Peppers: And I said, "Son, that's the importance of constantly responding immediately to God". If you choose to harden your heart and say, "I'm gonna do this anyway," it gets harder to hear Him the next time, and that's really the story of Lucifer. God kept moving him, he hardened himself and to the place where he's just completely rebellious and rejecting God's voice to him, so.
John Bradshaw: "Will Satan perish along with those who died in sin without forgiveness"? Hey, let me read something to you, my friend. Ezekiel, chapter 28, let me read something to you. This is what many people don't keep in mind, and they absolutely should. This is a great, great verse. Ezekiel, chapter 28, and we'll pick it up here. We could start in verse 12 or verse 13, but I'm gonna come down here to verse... Mmm...18: "[You have] defiled [your] sanctuaries by the multitude of [your] iniquities, by the iniquity of [your] traffick; therefore...I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee". Yes, Lucifer will perish, he will be brought to ashes, he will be completely, completely destroyed, and then, verse 19 says, "All they that [knew] thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: [you shall] be a terror, and never [shall you] be anymore". There's another verse in there that says, "They will look upon you". You know, I believe on that day we're gonna look at Lucifer and go, "Wow, really? We let that cause so much misery in our lives"? Maybe we should say today, I don't need to be overtaken by that, because "greater is He that is in [me], than he that is in the world". What's our next question?
Wes Peppers: Sure. Next question comes from Nancy, and she asks, "I see the Bible speaks about the 'elect.' Does this mean that some cannot be saved"?
John Bradshaw: Really interesting, isn't it? Because God did predestine some to be saved. But who did God predestine to be saved? He predestined all of us to be saved.
Wes Peppers: All of us.
John Bradshaw: "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life". God's decision was all should be saved. God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance". That doesn't mean, though, that all will be saved. God has opened the door to everybody, you understand.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: And that means that this opportunity to be saved is received by everyone. Now, there have been theologians over the years, impactful theologians, who have stated otherwise.
Wes Peppers: Well meaning. Mm-hmm. Well meaning.
John Bradshaw: Yeah.
Wes Peppers: And they've said that only...I've heard people say that of all the people living on the earth, only a certain number of those will be saved. And no matter what the rest do, no matter how much they could plead to God and beg Him to save them, He just says, "Nope, you're not part of the chosen".
John Bradshaw: And so what happens, man?
Wes Peppers: That's discouraging.
John Bradshaw: Somebody takes a Bible verse and stretches it this way and that way and turns it around like a pretzel, and they build a theology on that. And look, I'm gonna point at Calvin with this predestination and say that's what he had to have done because he ignored all those other Bible verses.
Wes Peppers: That's right.
John Bradshaw: He was a great man of God and did many great things, but this predestination theology, whee!
Wes Peppers: It's discouraging. I mean, Peter says that God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance". If God wants all, then He makes a way for all. And really, it comes down to the elect being those that choose to respond to the invitation of God that is for all. And so I always like to say, "We are chosen because we have chosen". Those who are elect are because they've elected, they've chosen to follow God and give their hearts to Him and respond to the gospel, and that's a beautiful thing.
John Bradshaw: Last question, it's from Fiona... thanks, Fiona. The question is, "Is Jesus omnipresent"? We've got less than a minute.
Wes Peppers: Yeah.
John Bradshaw: What's the answer?
Wes Peppers: Well, before Jesus came as a man, He had that same quality as God, omnipresent. When He became a man, He yielded of that. He gave up certain privileges of His divinity as He walked upon this earth. And the Bible says that Jesus is always going to be human, that He, that God gave Him. We didn't borrow Jesus, or God didn't lend Him to us, but He became a man. He will always be a man. And so, when He went back to h He yields up that omnipresence. Now, the way that He is omnipresent is through the Holy Spirit.
John Bradshaw: Yes.
Wes Peppers: That's why He told His disciples in John 14, when I go to my Father, I'm not gonna leave you an orphan. I'm not gonna leave you behind, knowing He'd be there and we'd be here, but I'm gonna send the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit lives in the heart. Christ lives in the heart through the power of the Holy Spirit, and that's how He's still omnipresent.
John Bradshaw: Wes, outstanding, that's all we have time for.
Wes Peppers: All right.
John Bradshaw: This time flies by. We are so glad you've joined us. Join us again next time. If you have a question, please get it to us. Our email address is [email protected]. We'd love to answer your question. With Wes Peppers, I am John Bradshaw. This has been "Line Upon Line," brought to you by It Is Written.