David Reagan - Jan Markell on Israel
Do the Jewish people have any right to the land of Israel, or did they steal it from the Palestinian people? Are the Palestinians an oppressed people who are being denied their rights by Israel? Is there really any hope for peace in the Middle East? And why is it important for America to stand with Israel? For a discussion of these questions with Jan Markell, stay tuned.
Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My colleague, Nathan Jones, and I are delighted to have Jan Markell with us today. She is the founder and director of Olive Tree Ministries which is located in the Minneapolis, Minnesota area. And she hosts a weekly radio program called, “Understanding the Times.” It is a broadcast that is carried nationally on more than 800 radio stations. Welcome to Lamb & Lion Ministries.
Jan Markell: Glad to be back, thank you.
Nathan Jones: Good to have you back on, Jan.
Jan Markell: Thank you, Nathan, yeah. Thank you.
Nathan Jones: Well, our subject is Israel in Bible Prophecy. So, tell us why is it important for Christians to understand how Israel fits in prophecy?
Jan Markell: Oh, my goodness, it’s certainly the super sign that the Lord is coming back. But what a testament to God that He keeps His promises. And if God can keep His promises so to Israel, is He not going to keep His promise to the Christian as well? And going to Israel as I said in a previous program with you folks changed my life, it will change anyone’s life.
Dr. Reagan: Well, yes, and you know when it comes to Israel I always think about people who like the Puritans who 200, 300, 400 years ago wrote that God is going to regather the Jewish people from the four corners of the earth and bring them back to Israel. And everybody said, “You’re crazy. You’re just crazy that will never happen.” Even in 1909 when C. I. Scofield put together the Scofield Study Bible when he got to Ezekiel 38 & 39 he said, “I can’t understand it. Can’t explain it, but it says in the end times Russia will invade Israel.” When he wrote that Israel did not exist. People did not believe that it would ever exist. And Russia was a Christian Orthodox nation.
Jan Markell: Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: How do you explain that? He couldn’t.
Jan Markell: Yeah, well and I have a friend who had a grandmother who in the grandmother’s Bible the grandmother wrote kind of in the column there, she wrote, “The Jews, what is going to become of the Jews?” She couldn’t figure it out because this would have way back 30’s probably 1930’s. Couldn’t imagine what was going to happen. But it happened. The miracle not just of the 20th Century, the miracle of all times to regroup a people, bring the language back, and have it blossom as a rose, the country.
Dr. Reagan: Yes. And one even before that the preservation of the Jewish people for 2,000 years scattered all over the world persecuted wherever they went. Killed, slaughtered, and God preserved them.
Jan Markell: Yes, it is a miracle.
Nathan Jones: What nation comes back after 1,900 years? We don’t hear about the Hittites coming back, the Aztecs, the Mayans, but Israel came back.
Dr. Reagan: Yet, I hear evangelical leaders all the time saying, “Well, it is just an accident of history. It’s not of any significance whatsoever.” And you think, what?
Jan Markell: That is a discredit to God, I’m sorry, because it is His miracle.
Dr. Reagan: It is. But you would think that just using common sense you would say there’s got to be something going on here.
Jan Markell: It’s got to be something, and there is. And folks, go, go to Israel and see for yourself.
Nathan Jones: What about the people who say that the people who immigrated to Israel made aliyah, aren’t really Jews?
Jan Markell: Oh, well, you know and since the Internet these kinds of stories are just mushrooming and it is really tragic. It’s another anti-Semitic toy that has gotten out of hand.
Nathan Jones: Now, you’re a Jewish Christian so you know that the people living in Israel are actual Jews, right? Genetically as well.
Jan Markell: I’ve had so many relatives over there, living over there, getting married over there. Their eyes are heavily blinded spiritually speaking.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, these people who say they aren’t Jews I always say to them, “Why don’t you tell the Arabs that and they’ll back off and stop persecuting them.”
Jan Markell: Exactly.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, that’s a great point.
Dr. Reagan: Well, as you know I’ve been doing a lot of research on your writing recently because you are included in a book that I’ve written called, “God’s Prophetic Voices to America.” So I’ve read a lot of your articles recently. And one of the things that you really emphasize is that you have been bemoaning the fact that the evangelical church seems to be abandoning its historical support of Israel. Could you elaborate on that for us?
Jan Markell: Again, the answer to your question I think has a lot of bullet points. Number one the pulpits are silent on these topics, so how are the people to know it’s important unless they are watching a program like this? We have the cry of social justice again, the fact that people are beginning to get more interested in the plight of the Palestinians than what the Bible says about the Jews. We have the naysayers. We have so much mocking of the things that are important here. We have the rise of the religious left, Emergent Church, all they do is denigrate the topics that we hold so dear. We have the decline of dispensationalism, David, you know there is a decline of dispensationalism. And there is a rise of Kingdom Now, Dominion Theology which will limit and marginalize these topics. We even have the rise of Preterism, it’s insane; all prophecy is history. Impossible.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, all prophecy has already been fulfilled. And dominion and kingdom we are going to take over the world and we are going to deliver the kingdom to Jesus Christ.
Jan Markell: Yes, and this rising because of new apostolic reformation, and other teachers.
Dr. Reagan: In fact one of the most important spokesman in Christianity today has jumped on that bandwagon and that is Rick Warren. Tell about his peace program.
Jan Markell: Well, I mean Rick has caused some issues within evangelicalism. I mean his peace program is more about social justice, and things like that.
Dr. Reagan: Than preaching the Gospel.
Jan Markell: Than preaching the Gospel. His seeker sensitive has hurt the churches, because the churches are very pro Rick Warren. And I can’t judge Pastor Warren’s heart. I’m sure he loves God. But the approach has done... Then in his book, Purpose Driven Life on page 286 he says that what we believe is a waste of time.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, he says, “Prophecy is a waste of time.”
Jan Markell: It is a waste of time, and it will distract you from your purpose. Well our purpose is to lead people to the Lord, and get Christians excited that the King is coming.
Nathan Jones: Amen. Amen. You use the term plight of the Palestinians. Now, to me that makes me think, oh, these poor people, they are oppressed. The Jewish people are mistreating them, as Dr. Reagan said earlier. Is that the case, are the Palestinians an oppressed minority in Israel? And who are the Palestinians?
Jan Markell: Well, the Palestinian people, I mean, and there are Palestinian Christians too, you know? And all of these people are persecuted by their leaders.
Nathan Jones: Hamas, and PLO.
Jan Markell: Hamas, and PLO, and Mahmoud Abbas, and Hezbollah of course that’s in Lebanon but they are trying to get into Israel. So, repeat your question.
Nathan Jones: I wanted to know about who the Palestinians are: Do they have a legitimate claim? Are they abused by Israel? I mean if the churches are switching their support from Israel to the Palestinians is there a cause there worth fighting for?
Jan Markell: Where in the Middle East do you find more freedom for the Arab people than in Israel?
Dr. Reagan: That’s right.
Jan Markell: And how they treat...
Nathan Jones: People don’t realize there are 6 million Palestinians?
Jan Markell: Well there are millions of Palestinians within Israel proper.
Dr. Reagan: They are full citizens, they have all rights.
Jan Markell: They can be in the Knesset, the parliament. They don’t have to be in the military. They are treated fairly. The women are treated with respect. Where do you find this in the Middle East?
Nathan Jones: Not in Saudi Arabia.
Jan Markell: You don’t find it in the Middle East.
Dr. Reagan: Well one of the biggest myths that is being proclaimed on college campuses all across America today by some films that have been produced is that the Palestinian people had their land stolen from them. They had this wonderful land, and they had a state there and the Israeli’s came in and took it all away from them. It’s a myth.
Jan Markell: The biggest marketing guru in the history of time was Yasser Arafat. He came along in the 1960’s, he is an Egyptian, an Egyptian and he came up with the term Palestinian. And he insisted that the Arabs in the region should be called Palestinians. They should have their own state. And he was such a marketing genius, not only did the world buy it, the Church bought it.
Dr. Reagan: Yes. The fact of the matter is that if you had interviewed people in the land of Israel before 1948 and asked them who they were they would have said they were Syrians. They all identified as Syrians and there were hardly any people there, the land was devastated.
Jan Markell: Exactly.
Dr. Reagan: They laughed. And the Israelis came in, they bought the land.
Jan Markell: They bought the land.
Dr. Reagan: They didn’t steal the land.
Jan Markell: At inflated prices.
Dr. Reagan: And the Arabs laughed all the way to the bank.
Jan Markell: Yeah, they laughed all the way.
Dr. Reagan: The land was devoid of trees, it was malaria infested swamp land.
Jan Markell: Yes, exactly.
Dr. Reagan: And then suddenly the Lord says, “When the Jews go back it will become like the Garden of Eden once again.” And now they want it back.
Jan Markell: Exactly.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, now that they’ve cultivated it. Of course they got it back with Gaza right? It was like the bread basket of Israel, they had all the greenhouses, and all the fruit. And as soon as the Palestinians got the Land for Peace deal they wiped out their own greenhouses and asked the world to give them money all of a sudden.
Dr. Reagan: You know I find a lot of ignorance about this situation. I was on an airplane one time and the guy next to me started talking to me about Israel. And he said, “I just don’t understand why those Israelis don’t make peace with the Arabs. I just don’t understand it. I don’t understand why they’re not willing to give up the Western Bank.” And he was going on and on, and I knew he didn’t know what he was talking about. So I said, “Where is the Western Bank?” He said, “Well, you know where it is.” I said, “Yes, I do. Do you?” “Well you know.” I said, “Tell me where is the Western Bank?” “Well it is the West Bank of the Nile River.” Well? That’s in Egypt.
Jan Markell: That’s in Egypt.
Dr. Reagan: And here he is pontificating about how they ought to give this away.
Jan Markell: Yeah, well again. And he probably he wasn’t a church person. But I mean how many pulpits are talking about these issues today? How many Christians are uninformed because their church will not... I mean I think we should have an honor Israel day every year. Once a year in May.
Dr. Reagan: Amen.
Jan Markell: To honor Israel. Instead the Church wants to replace Israel.
Dr. Reagan: We have a prophecy teacher named Al Gist and he holds an annual conference every year, and he used to hold it in Broussard, Louisiana, just south of Lafayette, First Baptist Church there. And one year they had as their, among other speakers, they had as their featured speaker Tim LaHaye. He got on the phone he called all of the large Baptist churches in the Lafayette area and said, “Tim is going to be here. He wants a place to speak on Sunday morning. He’ll speak at your church free of charge. Would you invite him?” He couldn’t find any church.
Jan Markell: Could not find one.
Dr. Reagan: Nobody wanted him. They have no interest in Bible prophecy at the very time it is being fulfilled.
Jan Markell: Well, David, what did... give me your take on it. I mean I know you’re asking me, but you’ve been at it longer than have. And I don’t understand...
Dr. Reagan: Al says that he has found if the pastor has Dr. in front of his name he can’t get in the church.
Jan Markell: Really?
Dr. Reagan: Because the seminaries teach that all of this is just... that Bible prophecy...they teach the Genesis account and the End Times account have to allegorized, spiritualized, they do not mean what they say.
Jan Markell: Yeah, and that is a huge issue is the seminaries are at fault, they are at fault.
Nathan Jones: I mean if the seminaries are teaching the Bible then in the Bible there is a claim for the Jewish people to have the land today, right? I mean isn’t there a promise to the Jewish people that they will have the land.
Jan Markell: Oh my, yes, not only is there is a promise, the boundaries are in Genesis 15, I believe, from the River Euphrates, to the great river, the river of Egypt to the great river the Euphrates. The boundaries are there.
Nathan Jones: And they haven’t even taken that much.
Jan Markell: No they haven’t taken it. It is probably millennial.
Nathan Jones: So, there is a promise, the Abrahamic promise. There is also the Land Covenant Promise that the Jewish people–
Jan Markell: Land Covenant, and it is forever. Forever.
Dr. Reagan: And I think another thing that people don’t realize but will if they go there, you keep on talking about the importance, is how small Israel is. It’s only 75 miles wide, and 300 miles long. And people talk, what’s the big deal? Give up the West Bank. They do that Israel is 9 miles wide.
Jan Markell: Yeah, exactly.
Nathan Jones: Try to defend that.
Jan Markell: It’s Auschwitz borders then. Yeah, absolutely.
Nathan Jones: And that is what would happen right? If Israel went back to the pre-1940 borders, we would see a second Holocaust.
Jan Markell: Yes. Absolutely. It’s indefensible, those borders.
Dr. Reagan: And if they were to give up Judea and Samaria, which the world calls the West Bank the same thing would happen there that happened with Gaza; it would become a launching pad of missiles into Israel.
Jan Markell: A launching pad, exactly.
Dr. Reagan: They keep saying, just give us a little more land and we’ll have peace. A little more land and we’ll have peace. Well Churchill taught us a long time ago that trading land for peace and appeasement does not work.
Jan Markell: Land for peace leaves Israel in pieces.
Dr. Reagan: Yes.
Jan Markell: Always.
Dr. Reagan: And appeasement just wets the appetite of the Arabs.
Jan Markell: Then they want more. They want more.
Dr. Reagan: Want more, want more, you can never appease them.
Jan Markell: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Well, there are two theologies in Christendom today that are very, very destructive to the Jewish people; one is called Replacement Theology, the other is called Dual Covenant Theology. And we are going to take a brief break and come back and talk about those.
Part 2
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our discussion of Israel in Prophecy with Jan Markell. Jan I get your newsletter every week, I love your newsletter and it seems like most the time you are bringing up the topic about Replacement Theology. It’s the burr under your saddle. Can you tell us about Replacement Theology and what is it?
Dr. Reagan: What is it first of all? Explain it.
Jan Markell: Yeah, first of all it goes back to the early church, but it teaches that the Church has replaced Israel, and that all of the promises given to Israel, which are legion are transferred to the Church.
Dr. Reagan: But not the curses.
Jan Markell: Not the curses, we don’t want to even consider the curses. What do we do? What do we do with passages like Romans 9, 10, & 11? If we are going to do things like that?
Dr. Reagan: You ignore them.
Jan Markell: I guess we ignore all sorts of things. I think this is a huge contributor to anti-Semitism. It was a contributor to the Holocaust. I think we have to be very careful here, again our pulpits are silent on this important issue of Israel’s importance. And personally I think that the Church should be honoring Israel once a year, rather than cursing her by saying you’ve been replaced, you’ve been replaced by the Church. Well, what kind of a covenant keeping God would displace either the Jew or the Christian? He doesn’t do it.
Nathan Jones: One of the biggest objections I hear people write in, and they say, “Well the Jewish people aren’t believers in God. Matter of fact they are hostile towards Christians and all. Therefore why should we celebrate Israel?” But we’re not talking about the Israel as a nation today, we are talking the Israel as a nation that God will make it during the Millennial Kingdom, right? When it is the honored nation of the world. Where the remnant of Jewish people who believe in Christ are a priestly people. That’s the Israel we are looking forward to right?
Dr. Reagan: Well we should even honor them today.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, yeah for what they should become. There are humanist there who are definitely anti-Christian and that is what seems to get a lot of people that have adopted Replacement Theology, at least from what we’ve discussed.
Jan Markell: And I would agree that’s what many who have adopted, who believe this would state. But first of all there is a remnant today who do believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and they are growing.
Nathan Jones: And you are one of them.
Jan Markell: And they are growing, and they are coming to faith almost faster than any other category of people.
Dr. Reagan: Plus, the Bible says point blank, over and over that God is going to regather the Jewish people in the end times in unbelief.
Jan Markell: Unbelief, unbelief.
Nathan Jones: And that is where they are now.
Dr. Reagan: That is exactly what He’s doing.
Jan Markell: Yes, yes, indeed.
Dr. Reagan: You know one time I went to the theological library at TCU in Fort Worth. They have a huge theological library there. And I looked at the books where preachers had preached all the way through the Bible from Genesis to the end, had volumes that long. And I looked to see what they had to say about Romans 9-11. And you know what almost all of them said? They said, well we’re not going to consider Romans 9-11 because it is just a parenthesis and they move right on.
Nathan Jones: Oh, wow.
Dr. Reagan: Well it is more than a parenthesis.
Jan Markell: Absolutely.
Dr. Reagan: And look at what it says in Romans 11:1, this is Paul speaking, “I say God has not rejected His people, has He?” And what does the Church says, “Yes.” And what does he say, “May it never be.” God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. It’s no wonder the Church hates this.
Jan Markell: Well, is it possible, David, that the Church isn’t prospering today because of this? Is it possible?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, I will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel.
Jan Markell: Isn’t that Genesis 12:3?
Dr. Reagan: That’s right.
Jan Markell: Yeah, and the Church is in a terrible state that we have remnant churches holding to truth, but so many are not.
Dr. Reagan: I find the average Christian has no idea that for example the Holocaust was a culmination of Christian anti-Semitism. That Martin Luther himself, last thing he wrote was, here’s how you should deal with the Jews. He said, “Take their property away. Put them in camps. Destroy their Torah scrolls.” He gave a blueprint. And Hitler rose to power quoting Martin Luther.
Jan Markell: Yes, and people find that hard to believe, but it is the truth of history. It is the truth.
Dr. Reagan: I mean very early, very early the Church took the position that well the Jews are Christ killers, and because of that we must reject them. God has rejected them, He has washed His hands of them.
Jan Markell: And to this day David, and I know because of my relatives that many, many Jews don’t trust Christians because they’re afraid of this kind of comeback.
Dr. Reagan: Well sure.
Nathan Jones: They are worried that we are going to steal their identity. I had Jewish friends, and I always hear that, “Well, this is our identity, we’re not taking your identity.” But it’s like it is a fulfillment of their identity right?
Jan Markell: Yes, absolutely.
Nathan Jones: To be Jewish and to accept Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment, to be all the Jew they can be, so to speak. Like you.
Jan Markell: Sure, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: So, the Bible teaches that God still loves the Jewish people. He still has a purpose for the Jewish people. And that at the end of the Tribulation there is going to be a great remnant that will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Jan Markell: Well all Israel will be saved at the end of the Tribulation.
Dr. Reagan: That’s right. That’s right. And you know there is, as you said, Jewish believers today. In fact when the Six Day War occurred in 1967 there was not a single Messianic congregation in the world. And in the late 60’s right after the Six Day War a great movement of the Holy Spirit occurred.
Jan Markell: That’s right.
Dr. Reagan: Young Jews all over America and around the world turned to Jesus, accepted Him. Messianic congregations began to be established.
Jan Markell: That’s right.
Dr. Reagan: People like Joel Chernoff began to record Messianic Jewish music.
Jan Markell: Messianic music ignited.
Dr. Reagan: It was just amazing the move of the Holy Spirit. And I think that’s the first fruits of the remnant. I think what they are doing is they are sowing the seeds now through all their publications aimed at the Jews. They are sowing the seeds that are going to be reaped during the Tribulation.
Jan Markell: I actually worked for the seventh Messianic congregation on the planet. I worked for them some 34 years ago. Only seven on the planet. Now there are thousands of Messianic congregations around the world.
Dr. Reagan: I know. I know. Well I went to Lexington, Kentucky to hold a meeting in 1981, and a guy called me and he said, “You ever been to a Messianic congregation?” I said, “I don’t even know what that is.” He said, “I’ll take you to one.” Because I had gone up there a day early. So he took me up to Cincinnati, I didn’t know if was the very first one that was established by the Chernoff family. I went up there and here was a whole room of Jewish people. And the Rabbi got up and he preached on Isaiah 53. And they had people come up for prayer, and they prayed for them. And then he said, “Ok, we have, the Lord has blessed us through His Word. He has blessed us through His prayer. Let’s bless the Lord.” And all of a sudden I heard all these bam, bam, bam, I looked around and people were putting the folding chairs up against the wall, and this rhythmic music started. And somebody grabbed my hands. Before I knew if there were about five circles, and they were dancing, and I didn’t know the steps. And the woman next to me weighed about 300 pounds and I was afraid she was going to step on my feet. And that was my introduction to Messianic. I often said I have never found anyone as enthusiastic about the Lord as Messianic Jews unless it is a Catholic who has discovered grace.
Jan Markell: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: Well, Jan, then does that mean that Jews need Jesus as their Messiah, or are they under the Law and they’re saved?
Jan Markell: Oh, my, everyone needs Jesus as the Messiah.
Nathan Jones: So, there is no what is called a Dual Covenant Theology, right where the Jews are saved?
Jan Markell: Well Dual Covenant Theology, and I’m not sure how old Dual Covenant is. They would teach that the Jews are saved under various Old Testament Covenants.
Dr. Reagan: By following the Law.
Jan Markell: By following the Law. And there is some prominent people pushing that today. One of the most prominent headquarters out of Minneapolis, St. Paul area, and I know him quite well. And he’s confronted regularly about this false teaching. It’s the worse form of anti-Semitism, its keeping Jews out of Heaven.
Dr. Reagan: I call it loving Jews into Hell.
Jan Markell: To death. Loving them to death. I did a radio program, it might even been with you, David. I did a radio program titled that.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah. And it really is. It is so misguided. So misguided.
Jan Markell: Yeah, well, it’s not doing anybody any favor to say you don’t need Jesus. What do with do John 14:6, and the other verses then?
Nathan Jones: They don’t have a Temple to sacrifice in, so there is no covering for their sins or sacrifices.
Jan Markell: Well, that’s true. I mean, you know there is activity going on to get that temple ready, but its obviously not there yet.
Dr. Reagan: There is a new movement called Christian Palestinianism. What in the world is that?
Jan Markell: Well, Christian Palestinianism would say that Jesus was a Palestinian. I don’t know if you remember this, it would have been some 15 years ago Yasser Arafat came down from a helicopter on top of the, probably either the Church of the Nativity, or Holy Sepulcher, dropped on the cross. This was supposed to be symbolic of the Rapture. Yasser Arafat coming down from a helicopter. This is all a part of Christian, it is trying to get Christians to get their attention off of Israel, onto the Palestinian cause. And I do believe we need to be concerned about Palestinian Christians, but this is all a part of Palestinian Christian Movement.
Dr. Reagan: And one of the things that disturbs me about all of this is that the leaders of that among the Palestinians are now taking the position that Jesus was a Palestinian. The Jewish temples never existed, never existed.
Jan Markell: That’s right.
Dr. Reagan: In fact Yasser Arafat put them over in Yemen or some place, but they never existed in Jerusalem. And the latest thing I ran across is there is now a major Palestinian academic who is saying that the people who came out of Egypt under the leadership of the Muslim Moses were Palestinian Muslims.
Nathan Jones: Muslim Moses?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, the Muslim Moses.
Jan Markell: But the tragedy, the tragedy of this David, is the Church, some of the churches have bought into this.
Dr. Reagan: Oh, yeah. Oh, Yeah.
Jan Markell: They have bought into this and they’ve accepted it as fact.
Nathan Jones: Even though that Islam wasn’t even created until about 600 AD?
Jan Markell: No wasn’t created.
Dr. Reagan: No, no Abraham was a Muslim, you don’t understand.
Jan Markell: Well, this is theology run amuck.
Nathan Jones: Fake news.
Jan Markell: But, yes, it is fake news. But I mean it has caught on, thankfully not in all churches or denominations, but too many. Too many.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, too many, too many.
Nathan Jones: Well does that mean there is any hope for the Middle East? Obviously the Jews, they have been fighting for 1,000’s of years haven’t they?
Jan Markell: Is there any hope for peace? No, not until the Prince of Peace rules and reigns out of Jerusalem, then there is hope for peace.
Dr. Reagan: There you go.
Nathan Jones: Hope is the return of Jesus Christ.
Jan Markell: Otherwise the Arab community is singing the Psalm out of Psalm 83, come let us wipe out the memory of their existence.
Dr. Reagan: You see that is my concern is about President Trump is that he says, “I’m the greatest deal maker ever. I will settle the situation in the Middle East.” He is deluded if he thinks so.
Jan Markell: It won’t happen.
Dr. Reagan: And I think what will happen is this, he will go in there and try to. The Palestinians will dig in and say, “We’re not doing anything.” So, then all the pressure will be put on Israel as always. And if the Israelis draw the line and say no, then he’ll turn against Israel.
Jan Markell: We need to be praying that that won’t happen because then the curse comes back on America if in fact we start doing those kind of behavior.
Dr. Reagan: Jan, I want to underline what you just said. There is no hope for peace in the Middle East because it is not a political problem, it is a theological, it is a spiritual thing.
Jan Markell: Yeah, it is theological.
Dr. Reagan: And it will only be solved when the Prince of Peace returns.
Jan Markell: Yeah, and that maybe sooner than later, but nonetheless in the meantime we have president after president making every attempt. We have Oslo Accords, Camp David meetings, they go on and on. Keep in mind in the year 2000 Yasser Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted.
Dr. Reagan: Everything he wanted.
Jan Markell: And he turned it down.
Dr. Reagan: Got up walked out of the meeting.
Jan Markell: And he walked out of the meeting, went back to the Middle East was a hero for turning it down. They don’t want peace. They don’t want to cooperate.
Dr. Reagan: They don’t want a second Palestinian State, the first Palestinian State is Jordan.
Jan Markell: Yes, indeed.
Dr. Reagan: And they don’t want a second one, they want the annihilation of Israel.
Jan Markell: They want the whole area.
Dr. Reagan: And that can’t be negotiated.
Nathan Jones: It’s funny when the Iranians talk about building nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the map, and yet the same breath they talk about the plight of the Palestinian people. If you nuke Israel, you wipe out the Palestinian people.
Jan Markell: Well that’s true.
Nathan Jones: But they are all celebrating it.
Closing
Dr. Reagan: Welcome back to our discussion of Israel in Bible Prophecy with Jan Markell, the founder and director of Olive Tree Ministries.
Nathan Jones: Such a blessing having you on, Jan.
Jan Markell: My privilege, thank you so much.
Nathan Jones: Can you tell our folks how they can get in touch with your ministry and also tune into your wonderful radio program?
Jan Markell: Olivetreeviews.org, got lots of radio programs archived there, olivetreeviews.org.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, and you can also get on her newsletter there, and I really recommend that you do so. She is right on the cutting edge of what is going on in the Christian world today. Well, folks, I hope the program has been a blessing to you. She has sure been a blessing to us. Until next week, same time, same station hope you’ll be with us. This is Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying, “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”