David Reagan - Bill Salus on Mystery Babylon
One of the portions of the book of Revelation whose meaning is hotly debated is the reference to Mystery Babylon in chapter 17. It appears that this will be the location of the Antichrist’s governmental and spiritual headquarters. Where is Mystery Babylon? Is it Jerusalem? New York? Mecca? Rome? Or will it be ancient Babylon rebuilt? For a fascinating discussion of these questions by a Bible prophecy expert named Bill Salus, stay tuned.
Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My associate, Nathan Jones, and I are delighted to have a friend and Bible prophecy colleague with us today as our special guest. He is Bill Salus, he is the founder and director of Prophecy Depot Ministries in La Quinta, California. Bill, is a prolific writer and conference speaker. He is probably the best known for his insightful book about Psalm 83 and the war that is depicted in it. Welcome to Christ in Prophecy, brother.
Bill Salus: David, thank you. Nathan, it is good to be with you. And I wanted to personally thank you for your May edition of the “Lamplighter Magazine” where I got my new nickname, the Star Trek Eschatologist. Boy, thanks for that.
Dr. Reagan: Well, yeah, and I called you that because I said you go where nobody else will go.
Bill Salus: Well, that has created some repercussions everywhere I go people think I’ve now become a pest exterminator. They don’t know what an eschatologist is. I’ve got to explain to them eschatos- means last or final in the Greek, and -ology is the study of; I study the last and final days.
Dr. Reagan: Where in the world is La Quinta, California?
Bill Salus: It is a couple hours east of Los Angeles. It is better known kind of by Palm Springs.
Dr. Reagan: Oh, okay. Okay.
Bill Salus: It is a connecting city out there.
Nathan Jones: Alright, Captain are you ready to embark on another trip?
Bill Salus: Let’s go, boldly go.
Nathan Jones: Let’s boldly go. Let’s boldly go to the subject of Mystery Babylon. I am going to go to the source text which is Revelation 17:1-6: “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’ So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead was a name was written: Mystery, Babylon the great, the Mother of Harlots and of the abominations of the earth. And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.” Okay, Bill I think when it comes to Mystery Babylon there are questions like who, and what, and where. Let’s start with the where. Very popular I would say John Walvoord for instance in the “Bible Knowledge Commentary” believes that the Babylon, or this Mystery Babylon, this harlot is actually a rebuilt city of Babylon. What do you think?
Bill Salus: Well, I agree, that is a very popular view that is held by guys like Mark Hitchcock, Dr. Mark Hitchcock, Joel Rosenberg, and quite a few. I was qualified because at the beginning of the program David mentioned several candidate cities for Mystery Babylon, and it is a great city we are told in Revelation 17, 18. But I remind people that according to 2 Peter 1:20 that no prophecy is subject to private interpretation. So, we have to look at the details of the prophecy. And we’ve got to go through the interpretations given for these other candidate cities and narrow it down to the actual one, because four of them can’t be–there are five candidate cities and four of them can’t be the right ones. And I’m not advocating that I know the right one, but I think the body of evidence sways toward the direction of Rome. That will be my argument as I present this today. But there are three primary reasons that I have concerns with rebuilt Babylon. Let’s start with number one let’s capitalize rebuilt, unlike the other four candidate cities you mentioned Babylon is not a significant city right now. Saddam Hussein tried to build it a little bit. But the other cities are significant cities and they could become that city. But the bottom line is you would have to rebuild Babylon, and it is in a war torn area. You’ve got schisms between the Shiites and the Sunnis, it’s not likely. Now, some of the advocates for this theory believe that–they remind us that Dubai was built rapidly as a city.
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Bill Salus: Number two my concern is let’s capitalize Mystery, and Mystery Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth. By definition in the Old Testament a mystery was something that was concealed. In the New Testament it is revealed. And the angel reveals this mystery to us in Revelation 17:7-18. He tells us in verse 9 that it is a city that sits on seven hills, which at the time when John wrote that was the notorious name of Rome. They even had coinage at the time of the goddess Roma citing on the seven hills. It is also, he tells us in verse 15 that it is a global reach, it sits on tribes, tongues, peoples and nations. And most importantly I think in the last verse 18 he tell us he says, “The woman you saw,” referring to Mystery Babylon in this vision given to John, he says, “it is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” So, let’s break that down. The woman he saw, past tense, he saw this woman she was sitting on the waters the multiples of tribes, tongues and nations. And it is the city that reigns over the kings of the earth.
Nathan Jones: It can only be one city.
Bill Salus: It was a city at the time John would clearly recognize was Rome, it doesn’t say it will be the city that reigns over the kings, it says it is. And lastly I find this to be a very disturbing verse for these other advocates that have looked at Mystery Babylon and that is in Revelation 18:20. Now what we find in that verse it talks about, “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” I actually sometimes, and I don’t normally do this I quote the NIV on this verse because it says, “God has judged her for the way she has treated you.” Referring to, he is talking about the holy Apostles. Now, there were–to me that means that two or more apostles plural, had to be judged and executed under the authorities of what this end times Babylon is going to be. And that would be you had Peter, Paul, Andrew and Jesus’ brother James these were apostles. Now, when you look at some of these other candidate cities and a particular rebuilt Babylon in Iraq which apostles were killed there? Was it John? Was it Matthew? No, none of them were even alive at that time.
Nathan Jones: Well, what do you do with Isaiah–oh I’m sorry Dave–
Dr. Reagan: I was going to say one argument that you did not mention is that in Isaiah it says that when Babylon is destroyed by the Medes it will become as Sodom and Gomorrah.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, Isaiah 13:20.
Dr. Reagan: And people often–and will never will be rebuilt again it says. And the advocates often says, “Well, it wasn’t destroyed in the same way as Sodom.” It doesn’t say that. It says it will become as Sodom and Gomorrah. And it has become as Sodom and Gomorrah.
Nathan Jones: “It will never be inhabited nor will be settled from generation to generation.” So, wouldn’t that break that prophecy if it is a rebuilt Babylon?
Bill Salus: Correct, yeah. So, that is another text, argument I have for it.
Dr. Reagan: Alright, let me ask you then, some say that it is going to be Jerusalem. Now how they get that I don’t know but what do you think?
Bill Salus: Well, it is not one of the more popular views.
Dr. Reagan: That’s right.
Bill Salus: But it does, and it is one and it deserves a commentary. But you know it says in Revelation 18:21 that when Mystery Babylon is destroyed it will be thrown down and never be found anymore. It has an expiration date, Mystery Babylon has an expiration. You know what? Jerusalem does not have an expiration date.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, it goes on into the Millennial Kingdom.
Dr. Reagan: Amen.
Bill Salus: Matter of fact this is where in Jeremiah–
Dr. Reagan: It is eternal in fact.
Bill Salus: Yeah, Jeremiah 3:17 is where Jesus is going to set His throne up in Jerusalem during the Messianic Kingdom. So, for me I can’t get past that contradiction.
Dr. Reagan: What about another one?
Nathan Jones: Yeah, what about Istanbul or Constantinople?
Bill Salus: Oh, you’re talking about the Mecca theory and things like that?
Nathan Jones: Well, you hear people say that.
Dr. Reagan: No, I’d rather get into Jerusalem. Well, we did Jerusalem let’s talk about Washington D.C., America.
Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah, New York City. You hear New York City all the time.
Bill Salus: Oh, yeah that–of course America is not quite 250 years old, so.
Dr. Reagan: And this is becoming more and more popular. I just find this all the time people think the United States is it.
Bill Salus: That’s the newer theory.
Nathan Jones: They’ll even say Hollywood.
Bill Salus: That is the newer theory.
Dr. Reagan: Hollywood? Alright, what about it? What about New York City?
Bill Salus: Okay, that is the newer theory. I would say basically which apostles were killed in New York City? According to Revelation 18:20.
Nathan Jones: That is a good point.
Bill Salus: What seven hills are we talking about? The advocates of this tend to say it is not really saying seven hills, it is saying seven continents. It sits in the midst of seven continents. But the Greek word for hills or mountains in these translations is “oros” and it cannot be translated as continents. It is either hills or mountains.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, and also this is going to be the headquarters of the Antichrist. And the Bible doesn’t indicate that the Antichrist is going to be in the United States of America.
Nathan Jones: Well, plus, America hasn’t killed all the prophets and the apostles, right? So how could?
Bill Salus: I think that is a bit of a problem for that theory.
Nathan Jones: That is a huge problem.
Bill Salus: Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Well, that brings us to then the one that I think is the newest and that’s the one of Mecca. What about that? You just recently had a major debate on that which is available on video at your website, right?
Bill Salus: Yeah, it is called, “The Identity of Mystery Babylon: Mecca or Rome?” And it was a debate I did with best-selling author, New York Times author Joel Richardson.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, tell our people how they can get in touch with you. What is your website?
Bill Salus: Well, that is prophecydepot.com, like Home Depot, prophecydepot.com. And we’ve got the products there and that DVD is there. Now, it is a three hour discussion, a debate that’s not only a debate but it is very informative and educational. I think the viewers will find a lot of educational information that they may not of known.
Dr. Reagan: And what is the title of that video?
Bill Salus: “The Identity of Mystery Babylon: Mecca or Rome?” We specifically narrowed it down to those two cities. He’s advocating that it is Mecca. And of course I am taking the Rome view.
Dr. Reagan: Okay, we’ve got about five minutes in this segment so let’s go. Tell us why it cannot be Mecca?
Bill Salus: Well, one of the things that comes up in his presentation is you know he is overlooking two powerful what I believe are Muslim prophetic wars, Muslim dominated wars in Psalm 83, and Ezekiel 38. Which I am many of our colleagues believe happen before the Tribulation period. Remember the harlot world religion comes up right around the time of the Tribulation period. So, if there are Muslim wars, epic Muslim wars beforehand that would have an effect on really this location and the religion, the dominant religion at that time. So, let’s look at Psalm 83 for instance, you’ve got ten populations, this is a final confrontation between the Arabs and the Jews involving nations that surround–surrounding nations that share common borders with Israel. They are defeated by the Israeli Defense Forces. Now all those nations are predominately Muslim, there are ten populations. You know you’ve got Jordan, and Lebanon with Hezbollah up there, and you’ve got Syria, and Iraq, and probably Saudi Arabia and Egypt. And you’ve got Palestinians in there and Hamas, etcetera, Muslim countries. Right now Joel Richardson’s argument is well there are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, it obviously going to be the religion that dominates. Well, I would say after these two wars in Ezekiel 38 I’ll just mention in a minute there are 600 million roughly Muslims involved in these wars that will be either killed, exiled, imprisoned.
Nathan Jones: By God Himself.
Bill Salus: Yeah. And Ezekiel 38 you have 9 different, entirely different populations it’s not the same prophecy. Apart from Russia, the other ones like Turkey, and Iran, and some of the countries above the northern continent of Africa. Some of the breakaway republics of the Soviet Union, those are predominately all Muslim right now. So, you’ve got massive Muslim populations, and that is going to be defeated in invasion of Israel defeated by the Lord with earthquakes, flooding rains, hail storms, and brimstone. So, I say Psalm 83 will be a punch to the gut of Islam. Ezekiel 38 will follow and be an upper cut to the jaw of Islam. So, by that time we get into the Tribulation period Allah will have lost its Akbar. You know Allah Akbar means he’s the greater god. These terrorist always shout “Allah Akbar,” all the time, you know.
Nathan Jones: Can you imagine the disillusion of millions, and millions of Muslims at constant defeat of Allah through these prophetic wars?
Bill Salus: Yeah, and they’re already converting away from Islam because they don’t like the terrorism, and this sort of thing. But I had a red flag also in the debate because Joel Richardson is actually a very good researcher. And in his Islamic Antichrist book he also believes the Antichrist will be a Muslim. He noted a lot of historical sources that maybe thought that it would be a Muslim Antichrist. But he didn’t come up with any. I asked him, I said, “It was forged in 2008 when Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson put their thoughts together that it would be Mecca, can you tell me anybody else Church Father’s, Reformers or anything?” And he couldn’t. So that was a red flag to me. This means it is basically their new theory. And I reminded the viewers on the debate I said listen, we had Church Fathers who believed it was Rome you had: Lactantius, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and Jerome. We had Reformers who believed it was Rome: Martin Luther, John Knox, John Calvin, John Tyndale, John Wycliffe. We have contemporaries who believe it is Rome. And I believe you two are among that list. Jan Markell is on that list. You have J. Vernon McGee, Dwight Pentecost, Clarence Larkin, Grant Jeffrey, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, Warren Wiersbe, Mike Gendron has been on your program before, Dave Hunt. So, I had a problem with that. I mean you know it’s okay you can come up with a new theory, Daniel 12 tells us that there will be times when information will increase and the visions will be unsealed, people will travel to and fro in Daniel 12 verse 4. But I think that is of concern.
Dr. Reagan: Well, I would agree. And I also think it is absurd, and I mean absurd to think that the Antichrist is going to be a Muslim. Any Muslim who would go to Jerusalem and declare himself to be god would be killed by the Muslims. They wouldn’t be killed by us, they would be killed by the Muslims.
Bill Salus: Well, I think your book on that, Dave is outstanding dealing with the Antichrist.
Dr. Reagan: It is just crazy. And is Israel going to make a covenant with a Muslim leader? I don’t think so.
Bill Salus: Right. No.
Nathan Jones: Highly unlikely.
Bill Salus: Yeah, I agree.
Dr. Reagan: So, I don’t know. It’s just I think you’re right on target and I hope people will get a copy of your video because it is very, very informative. You did a lot of research and so did he but I think that you made it very clear it is not going to be Mecca, and it is not going to be a Muslim Antichrist.
Bill Salus: I agree with that, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Okay. Well, in just a moment we’ll be back and we’re going to ask Bill the crucial question: If it is not Jerusalem, if it is not Mecca, if it is not rebuilt Babylon, what in the world is it? What is Mystery Babylon?
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our interview with Bill Salus about the identity of Mystery Babylon in the book of Revelation. Alright, Bill you’ve discounted Jerusalem. You’ve discounted the rebuilt Babylon. You discounted Mecca. You even discounted New York City, and Hollywood, and Istanbul, Shanghai you name it you discounted them all. And you said that Rome is Mystery Babylon, why?
Bill Salus: Well, I haven’t discounted Shanghai yet.
Nathan Jones: Oh, okay.
Bill Salus: But we will discount that because no holy apostles were martyred there. That was of course by way of review. It is a city that sits on seven hills, that is Rome. There were the holy apostles were killed there for vindication of Revelation 18:20 when it is judged. It is the popular view at this point. And I listed the names of the church fathers, and reformers, and contemporaries, like ourselves who subscribe to that. But, additionally the other reasons I believe the body of evidence sways in the direction of Rome is that at the time it was a code word, Babylon was a code word for Rome to avoid persecution. First Peter 5:13 mentions this in his epistle he says, “She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.”
Dr. Reagan: And he was in Rome at the time.
Bill Salus: He was. And this was the common understanding. If you wanted to avoid the persecution blatantly you had to–
Nathan Jones: Yeah, use another word.
Dr. Reagan: Hey, John was a prisoner on the Isle of Patmos. He was a prisoner of the Roman Empire he couldn’t write a document naming Rome. He couldn’t do that.
Bill Salus: Yeah, most of our colleagues no matter what city they subscribe to as being Mystery Babylon, would agree that is a code word for Babylon. We mentioned earlier even the coinage had the goddess Aroma sitting on seven hills. It was commonly understood that it was Rome back at that time. Also, you had read at the beginning that this Mystery Babylon, this harlot is drunk with the blood of the Saints and the martyrs of Jesus. Okay, we’ve got two different martyrdom scenarios there the blood of the Saints I would say that could very well be the Inquisitions out of Rome, you had between the 12th and the 16th Century you had literally they say millions.
Nathan Jones: Or during the Reformation, the slaughter of the Protestants.
Bill Salus: Exactly, yeah. Exactly. And it says in Revelation 18:5 it says God is going to judge that city. Is this city going to get a pass? I mean he judged Sodom and Gomorrah, etcetera and that sort of thing. It says one translation is in Revelation 18:5, “For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God has remembered her cries.” Well, when we look at Rome as it started with what was first called pagan Rome with the Roman Empire, and then it morphed into Papal Rome where of course now you have the Vatican. There is no shortage of crimes and sins that have been perpetrated by them. A few with Pagan Rome put to death God’s Son, Jesus Christ. Martyred Christians for over three centuries. Some sources say were over 210,000 during the time of the spread of Christianity. Killed 1.1 million people, mostly Jews according the Jewish historian Josephus by 70 AD. Destroys the Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD. Destroyed it again in 135 AD with the Bar Kokhba Revolt, killed 100,000 of Jews between 132 and 135.
Nathan Jones: So, you are seeing Rome as the Roman Empire, but then it just morphed into the Holy Roman Empire, and then it morphed into the Roman Catholic Church. You are seeing no distinction between the three?
Bill Salus: Absolutely. As the Roman Empire started to disintegrate they found it favorable to embrace Christianity to maintain its power for as long as it was good.
Nathan Jones: So, Rome hasn’t ended it is still here today.
Bill Salus: Well, it has gone into Papal Rome at this point. We are dealing with the religious aspects of the harlot world religion. And again I would say that is centered in Rome and has something to do with the Vatican. And the Papal Rome the crimes and sins there: they expelled Jews from Spain in 1492 AD, expelled them from Portugal in 1497 AD, killed 10’s of thousands of Jews in the Crusades, hundreds of thousands of Protestants if not millions in the Reformation. It is responsible for at least 100,000 victims of sexual abuse in this country. What about worldwide? So, and these are just a few of the rap sheet of the crimes and sins. So, that is a concern.
But I think the main thing that gets me thinking along the lines you know we’re dealing with a world religion that is going to come on the scene at a time I believe after the Rapture when Satan is no longer going to be restrained from putting forward his closing arguments. The world is going to be run amuck as we have the Seal Judgments being opened. You’ve got wars are going to happen. You’ve got famines, and pestilences. And there is going to be this global government that has establishes itself at a time when Satan is now free to unleash lying signs and wonders and deception. And when he is free to do that, he’s known he is going to have the freedom to do that according to Paul in 2 Thessalonians. He’s not going to go “Oy Vey what do I do now? What system do I embrace? What do I implement?” I believe there is a system he’s already put in place that has an end game, that’s got supernatural deception fringes all around it with Eucharistic miracles, and Marian apparitions, and things like that.
Nathan Jones: Well, help me make the transition here because we were saying it was a city, and now you are saying it is a religious system. Is it both encompassed in Mystery Babylon?
Bill Salus: It is a religious system that is centered in a great city, it has a headquarters.
Dr. Reagan: Now, I believe that God is going to judge Islam not only in the Psalm 83 War and the Gog and Magog War because that’s only the Middle East and the vast majority of Muslims are outside the Middle East. The largest Muslim country in the world is outside. You know you’ve got Indonesia, and places like that. I think he is going to judge Islam through the wars of the Antichrist because it indicates that the Antichrist is going to launch a war to conquer the world. And I think the people who will most obviously rebel against him will be the Muslims. And I think that God will judge the Muslims through that. That leaves what religion for the Antichrist? I think the Bible indicates there are two, he starts out with one builds his empire, destroys it and then creates another. Comment on that.
Bill Salus: Well, the way I look at that is you’ve got a religious double jeopardy in the end times at the Rapture.
Dr. Reagan: I like that.
Bill Salus: Well, you’ve got the harlot in Revelation 17, okay. She is–it says she is sitting on the Beast the Antichrist, in Revelation 17:3.
Nathan Jones: She is not the Antichrist, you say.
Bill Salus: Revelation 17:7 says, “He carries her to her heights.” So, he is playing a little bit subservient role, second fiddle initially as this system builds itself up. But at some point it over extends its usefulness and becomes problematic. We are told in Revelation 17:16 that he with the unity with ten kings will destroy this harlot world religion.
Dr. Reagan: Yes.
Bill Salus: Desolate it. But then all of a sudden now it says they give their kingdom and the power to the Antichrist at that point. And then of course he puts together his kingdom. And I take attention to Revelation 13 that’s where you have the mark of the beast set up.
Dr. Reagan: Yes.
Bill Salus: It looks like he’s been assassinated and he gets a mortal head wound. Some people say–
Dr. Reagan: And his false prophet heads up a new world religion.
Bill Salus: Yeah, and then we find that there is another desolation in one hour in Revelation 18 that Babylon no longer exists anymore, be thrown down forever. So, I deviate a little bit and there are other people like Hal Lindsey and others who say Revelation 17 is that system, it gets desolated by the ten kings.
Nathan Jones: A religious system.
Bill Salus: A religious system. You go to Revelation 13 the Antichrist now has his time in the sun where no one can buy or sell unless they take a mark upon their right hand or upon their forehead.
Nathan Jones: He sets himself up to be worshipped.
Bill Salus: And then God judges that.
Dr. Reagan: Well, since this religion that he uses at the beginning to build, since it is centered in Rome, since it has the blood of the martyrs on its hands. It seems to me this has to be Catholicism in some form in which he uses this as a world religion and it encompasses the religions of the world. Would you agree with that or not?
Bill Salus: I absolutely do. You know some people advocate that this is going to be some kind of ecumenical super church.
Dr. Reagan: I don’t think so.
Bill Salus: But how do the ten kings desolate Wicca, and Judaism, and Hinduism? You know the Catholic Church who is Amillennial, they are not waiting for the Pre-Trib Rapture they are going to be, the institution is going to be left behind. And I believe there’s biblical prophecies about that. And they say they are the one true church, and they are going to argue that fact and say, “We are the one true church.”
Nathan Jones: Second Timothy 3:5.
Bill Salus: Now, they may reach out ecumenically to the nations of–the religions of the world and embrace them, but they will not change their doctrine. That they are the one true church and that salvation comes through the Catholic Church, not just saved by grace alone.
Dr. Reagan: But I got a sense of this though a few years ago, I think it was when Pope Paul was in position. I think he was the one who called for all of the religious leaders of the world to come to Assisi in Italy. And he said, “Let’s come together and each one of you pray to your own god.”
Nathan Jones: Wow.
Dr. Reagan: I thought, what? He even had an American Indian Chief there who did a pow-wow dance. In fact he stole the attention of everyone. But all these people–and the Dalai Lama was there who is supposed to be god. And they are praying to whatever god. And I thought boy this is a view of what it is going to be like in the end times when you have this umbrella religion that calls everybody in.
Bill Salus: That’s right, it will be the canopy over it all. But the reality is it is going to be the dominate aspect.
Dr. Reagan: And it going to become more dominant and that is the reason the Antichrist is going to rebel.
Bill Salus: That’s right, and Hal Lindsey brings up a good point in one of his commentaries he says, “Look it would be easy to take out the pope, and the bishops, and the cardinals, and take out the institution and confiscate all of its wealth and put your institution instead of that with the Antichrist scenario. So he is one who would advocate that as well.
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy. Bill, one quick question before we end and that is if the Mystery Babylon religion is destroyed by the Antichrist what religion does he set up?
Bill Salus: Well, I believe that he will be probably putting together a New Age type religion. That is what my favorite choice on that is. You know we realize it won’t be Islam that will be taken out in those Muslim wars we talked about prior. It will no longer be Catholicism because that became problematic. It won’t be Judaism because he is going to go along and try to commit genocide of the Jews. It is going to boil down in the end times to true Christianity, and the false religion of the Antichrist. Which I believe will be filled with supernatural deception and lies. It will be a time when the paranormal is the new normal.
Nathan Jones: Satan worship.
Bill Salus: It will be.
Nathan Jones: That’s what it sounds like.
Bill Salus: You know Satan told Adam and Eve, “You can become like God.” This Antichrist may come along and say, “Here I am going to show you how.”
Dr. Reagan: Yes, it is going to be Humanism carried to its extreme, to its ultimate.
Bill Salus: Yeah, absolutely. But whatever it is it is going to be bad and that is why we don’t want people to go through, we want them to know Jesus Christ before that.
Nathan Jones: Amen. Well, could you look in the camera, Bill and again tell us how we can get in touch with you and get your wonderful resources.
Bill Salus: Great, well thanks again for having me on the show. What a wonderful topic Mystery Babylon. Well, listen you can reach me at prophecydepot.com, articles, TV shows etcetera, are all there. Prophecydepot.com.
Dr. Reagan: Well, Bill it is always a joy to have you with us. And you keep going out there where nobody will go and challenging us. Okay?
Bill Salus: I’ll do that, David.
Dr. Reagan: Well, folks, that’s our program for today. I hope it has been a blessing to you, and I hope the Lord willing that you’ll be back with us again next week. Until then this Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying, “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”